Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

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  • #361
Nothing that i have ever said or wrote has been ironic, dear Mendel!!!

Everything i put in here was a result of a father of two children, who could imagine that losing one of them might be the worst experience, to imagine. And also i was as a former prosecuter.

I will take my assumptions out for some time by now! I think that fits, because the case is special.

According to HCW, let us keep assuming after 2021!

I'm concerned, that this case will lead to an end, just to bring peace to the parents.

HCW's statement about 2021 worries me a bit.

I think he was a bit naive to give that Sky interview to Brunt, and the results were not good PR wise - basically questioning whether they have the right man.

I've worried all along that they opened Pandora's box by going public and HCW better be prepared for what will come.

The tabloids deal in obvious tropes, so at first it was very much "the efficient germans have cracked it after the incompetent PJ messed up"

But if the story doesn't move, the UK media will turn on HCW just as easily.

So now what does he do? Continue briefing different outlets? Or stop talking to them? Either way, he now has a problem.
 
  • #362
I never heard UK police dismiss Tannerman as a POI and the image still appears on the Find Madeleine website to this day.
DCI Redwood on Crimewatch 2013
"We’re almost certain, now, that this sighting is not the abductor. But very importantly, what it says is that from 9.15, we are able to allow the clock
to move forward
and in doing so, things that have not been quite as significant or received quite the same degree of attention are now the centre of our focus."

Abductor = CB
Accomplice = Tannerman.
MOO for a very long time.
I also think Tannerman hasn’t been ruled out, otherwise why would the parents still show his sketch on their own website set up to find their daughter? I’m well aware that websites go out of date, but there’s other updated stuff on there. Remember they are desperate to find her, they would remove it if it had been completely ruled out IMO
 
  • #363
I also think Tannerman hasn’t been ruled out, otherwise why would the parents still show his sketch on their own website set up to find their daughter? I’m well aware that websites go out of date, but there’s other updated stuff on there. Remember they are desperate to find her, they would remove it if it had been completely ruled out IMO

We've had this same conversation about 3 times in the last weeks.

Rather than repeat all that, I would simply note, we have no idea what conversation JT and DCI Redwood had (if any). But i'd be highly surprised if he went on national tv to pour cold water all over the most critical sighting in the case without knowing her opinion on the matter.
 
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HCW has confirmed, that the excavation of the allotment was a search for disks/drives, because some of them had been found at Neuwegersleben. The excavation hasn't been made of a tipp-of or something like that. He won't reveal, if something was found or what has been found.

Fall Maddie McCann: Ermittler suchten bei Hannover nach Speichermedien
 
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Tbe connection between JB and MN seems plausible due to modus operandi by murdering a boy, but where are the facts, dear Tekno?)

Although lots of profilers stated, that the sex isn't the main purpose, you can't ignore the differences IMO.

The modus operandi between MN and maybe CB differs a lot, to that whats known, or likely known, to CB.

IMO MN was looking for sexual intercourse to his victims. Right. But in a way of some kind of relationship, what is known. Tbe murder appeared due to the fact, the perp didn't wanted to be recognized after achieving his needs and maybe get rid of the evidence. Unprofessional, as we know because tbe forensic evidence, the bodies, had been found.

According to CB's statements made online, a possible murder could be the result of doing the sexual urges itself. To me, that seems very different. Even the fact, CB not only looks for sexuality, but even torturing. MN doesn't appeared as a sadist IMO.

According to the known facts about CB, there is a sadistic value about females, although the peado-urges keep overheading. MN was more into relationships to boys, or maybe sexual intercourse with them, what hasn't been proven at last.

But CB seems to be into torturing females, no matter what age, maybe even if it was "scripted" before? Bragging around in detail, although MN used poems, for the description of his urges. That doesn't fit at last, right!

But what are the similarities?

- Connected to orphanages
- Relation to children
- Internet chats about fantasies
- Portugal, Netherlands?
- Using break-ins for satisfying the urges
- Sniffing out the crime-scene before doing it
- Keeping and hiding footage
- Playing an helpful and interested person
- Trying to be kept as a normal guy/father in germany, although both couldn't resist the urges
- keeping hidden evidence
- burying evidence under sand
- artistic vein
- playing with prosecuters and some kind of proud of former deeds

At the end, the key is hidden more in tbe furious-five relation, than in the MN relation IMO. Although i'm sure, they met in special chatrooms in the past.

Hi SuperD,

I find the following interesting: both were taken from their beds while asleep; Nicky from his tent and Madeleine from her holiday bedroom. Both Nicky and Madeleine’s shoes/slippers were still in the tent/bedroom from where they disappeared. Nicky was found with no dirt on his feet.

Brech might have considered that his predatory profile i.e interest in boys, would not put him under suspicion in girls’ disappearance/s. From 2005 and 2011, he would disappear for long periods of time, according to his family. Hypothetically, he could have been in the Algarve during early 2007.

The Barcelona incident with the woman at the Olympic Marina asking for her new daughter, 72 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, might be significant, taking into account that Brech was eventually arrested at Castellterçol in 2018, 50 km from Barcelona.

At his court appearance on 26 August 2019, Brech refused to speak about the case and said to the examining magistrate: “the time is only ready when everything is fully understood”. When asked by whom should everything be understood, Brech replied “by me”. Also the fact he had prepared a statement/confession months before he was arrested and which is been held in a safe and will only be released once he decides to do so. This may indicate that since his DNA profile is now known, possibly implicating him in other crimes, he will be prepared to eventually reveal all (?). Now that CB has publicly entered the frame, I am wondering if there is a possible link to Brech’s words and recent developments in Madeleine’s case.

Profile of Joseph Theresia (Jos) Brech: white male, born 29 October 1962, 1.80 m tall, brown (grey by now) short, wavy hair, normal/thin posture, large, in his early years he worked at different scouting camps (for children) across Europe.

Young mother (possibly artist, Jenni Weinberger) and daughter: vicinity of Ocean Club, corner of R d Agostinho da Silva, next to the wall of Block 6. She saw the man on two occasions, 29 April at 8h00 and on 2 May. She described him as a white male, 1.78 m tall with pitted skin, small eyes. He possibly wore jeans. He was staring intently at the balcony area of apartment 5A. Cf. her e-fit compared to Brech.

Jane Tanner: on 3 May at 21h20 she saw a white male, who did not look like a tourist, aged between 35 and 40 (Brech was 42 at the time), 1.78 m tall with dark, thick hair, shiny, messy, slightly longer at the neck, shorter on sides. She saw him crossing the junction at R d Francisco Gentil Martins and R d Agostinho da Silva at the top, walking towards the back of block 6. He wore a thin, black, bomber-style jacket and a yellow-brown, baggy, chino-style, linen fabric style pants and standard dark shoes. He had a child in his arms, aged 3 to 4, light skin, lying on his left arm, legs across his right arm, light-coloured pyjamas, white/pink floral pattern, turn-up detail/decoration at ankles, no shoes, no blanket. The man looked a bit hurried.

Given CB’s lawyer’s recent visit to Portugal to examine the PJ files and his statement that SY is correct in treating Madeleine’s case as a missing person’s case, may imply that his client and possibly others, were involved in removing Madeleine, not for indecent purposes but perhaps as part of a syndicate to supply children to the illegal adoption trade.

All of this is my opinion only.

Explained: How the cold case of Nicky Verstappen may finally be solved
Ferrer, Isabel (28 August 2018). "Arrest of Dutch man in Barcelona could solve one of Holland's most infamous cases". El País. ISSN 1134-6582
Jos B.: Twintig jaar in het dossier, maar nooit verdacht". 11 December 2018. Archived from the original on 17 May 2019
Limburgs jongetje mogelijk ontvoerd uit tentenkamp op heide". Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant. 15 August 1998
55-jarige Jos B. gezocht voor dood Nicky Verstappen". Hart van Nederland. 22 August 2018
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk
 
  • #368
Hi SuperD,

I find the following interesting: both were taken from their beds while asleep; Nicky from his tent and Madeleine from her holiday bedroom. Both Nicky and Madeleine’s shoes/slippers were still in the tent/bedroom from where they disappeared. Nicky was found with no dirt on his feet.

Brech might have considered that his predatory profile i.e interest in boys, would not put him under suspicion in girls’ disappearance/s. From 2005 and 2011, he would disappear for long periods of time, according to his family. Hypothetically, he could have been in the Algarve during early 2007.

The Barcelona incident with the woman at the Olympic Marina asking for her new daughter, 72 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, might be significant, taking into account that Brech was eventually arrested at Castellterçol in 2018, 50 km from Barcelona.

At his court appearance on 26 August 2019, Brech refused to speak about the case and said to the examining magistrate: “the time is only ready when everything is fully understood”. When asked by whom should everything be understood, Brech replied “by me”. Also the fact he had prepared a statement/confession months before he was arrested and which is been held in a safe and will only be released once he decides to do so. This may indicate that since his DNA profile is now known, possibly implicating him in other crimes, he will be prepared to eventually reveal all (?). Now that CB has publicly entered the frame, I am wondering if there is a possible link to Brech’s words and recent developments in Madeleine’s case.

Profile of Joseph Theresia (Jos) Brech: white male, born 29 October 1962, 1.80 m tall, brown (grey by now) short, wavy hair, normal/thin posture, large, in his early years he worked at different scouting camps (for children) across Europe.

Young mother (possibly artist, Jenni Weinberger) and daughter: vicinity of Ocean Club, corner of R d Agostinho da Silva, next to the wall of Block 6. She saw the man on two occasions, 29 April at 8h00 and on 2 May. She described him as a white male, 1.78 m tall with pitted skin, small eyes. He possibly wore jeans. He was staring intently at the balcony area of apartment 5A. Cf. her e-fit compared to Brech.

Jane Tanner: on 3 May at 21h20 she saw a white male, who did not look like a tourist, aged between 35 and 40 (Brech was 42 at the time), 1.78 m tall with dark, thick hair, shiny, messy, slightly longer at the neck, shorter on sides. She saw him crossing the junction at R d Francisco Gentil Martins and R d Agostinho da Silva at the top, walking towards the back of block 6. He wore a thin, black, bomber-style jacket and a yellow-brown, baggy, chino-style, linen fabric style pants and standard dark shoes. He had a child in his arms, aged 3 to 4, light skin, lying on his left arm, legs across his right arm, light-coloured pyjamas, white/pink floral pattern, turn-up detail/decoration at ankles, no shoes, no blanket. The man looked a bit hurried.

Given CB’s lawyer’s recent visit to Portugal to examine the PJ files and his statement that SY is correct in treating Madeleine’s case as a missing person’s case, may imply that his client and possibly others, were involved in removing Madeleine, not for indecent purposes but perhaps as part of a syndicate to supply children to the illegal adoption trade.

All of this is my opinion only.

Explained: How the cold case of Nicky Verstappen may finally be solved
Ferrer, Isabel (28 August 2018). "Arrest of Dutch man in Barcelona could solve one of Holland's most infamous cases". El País. ISSN 1134-6582
Jos B.: Twintig jaar in het dossier, maar nooit verdacht". 11 December 2018. Archived from the original on 17 May 2019
Limburgs jongetje mogelijk ontvoerd uit tentenkamp op heide". Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant. 15 August 1998
55-jarige Jos B. gezocht voor dood Nicky Verstappen". Hart van Nederland. 22 August 2018
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk
 

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  • #369
This is an interesting curveball.... If CB is guilty, there’s a possibility that he had advice from someone likeminded that aided his progression from someone masturbating/exposing himself in a play park (tho he clearly still gets off on this risk taking activity) to abducting a child.
The similarity to the efit is striking, especially the hair which definitely isn’t CB.
 
  • #370

Very interesting comparison pic, @Tekno.

When The Mirror source (Kit Thackeray?) said police didn’t seem to know the Baggagem drifter’s name, it suggests MT, HB, MS, or NF didn’t know him. That may be why police interviewed MJ who settled close by in Bensafrim.

It suggests someone living off grid, hiding, which is not easy. JB could do it - all he’d need is stolen diesel. (MN had to get food from the Church.)

But then, there’s this comment (pic) suggesting MN was an accomplice, cf.
New Break in Maddie McCann Case Centers on Killer Pedophile

Is it possible police are looking at MN, JB, & CB?

We still don’t have a blonde, green eyed German drifter.
 

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This is an interesting curveball.... If CB is guilty, there’s a possibility that he had advice from someone likeminded that aided his progression from someone masturbating/exposing himself in a play park (tho he clearly still gets off on this risk taking activity) to abducting a child.
The similarity to the efit is striking, especially the hair which definitely isn’t CB.

Or it was a joint criminal enterprise to make money by passing her up the chain. But after she became a huge news story, no one wanted her.
 
  • #372
Interesting. Some eerie similarities there. Also appears to have curly blonde hair from this video if it is accurate but he appears to be grey in other photos around this time and have seen one with dark hair.

 
  • #373
HCW has confirmed, that the excavation of the allotment was a search for disks/drives, because some of them had been found at Neuwegersleben. The excavation hasn't been made of a tipp-of or something like that. He won't reveal, if something was found or what has been found.

Fall Maddie McCann: Ermittler suchten bei Hannover nach Speichermedien

In the recent sky interview he said they have the same amount of evidence as they did 3 months ago, I don’t think anything has been found unfortunately.
 
  • #374
Hi SuperD,

I find the following interesting: both were taken from their beds while asleep; Nicky from his tent and Madeleine from her holiday bedroom. Both Nicky and Madeleine’s shoes/slippers were still in the tent/bedroom from where they disappeared. Nicky was found with no dirt on his feet.

Brech might have considered that his predatory profile i.e interest in boys, would not put him under suspicion in girls’ disappearance/s. From 2005 and 2011, he would disappear for long periods of time, according to his family. Hypothetically, he could have been in the Algarve during early 2007.

The Barcelona incident with the woman at the Olympic Marina asking for her new daughter, 72 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, might be significant, taking into account that Brech was eventually arrested at Castellterçol in 2018, 50 km from Barcelona.

At his court appearance on 26 August 2019, Brech refused to speak about the case and said to the examining magistrate: “the time is only ready when everything is fully understood”. When asked by whom should everything be understood, Brech replied “by me”. Also the fact he had prepared a statement/confession months before he was arrested and which is been held in a safe and will only be released once he decides to do so. This may indicate that since his DNA profile is now known, possibly implicating him in other crimes, he will be prepared to eventually reveal all (?). Now that CB has publicly entered the frame, I am wondering if there is a possible link to Brech’s words and recent developments in Madeleine’s case.

Profile of Joseph Theresia (Jos) Brech: white male, born 29 October 1962, 1.80 m tall, brown (grey by now) short, wavy hair, normal/thin posture, large, in his early years he worked at different scouting camps (for children) across Europe.

Young mother (possibly artist, Jenni Weinberger) and daughter: vicinity of Ocean Club, corner of R d Agostinho da Silva, next to the wall of Block 6. She saw the man on two occasions, 29 April at 8h00 and on 2 May. She described him as a white male, 1.78 m tall with pitted skin, small eyes. He possibly wore jeans. He was staring intently at the balcony area of apartment 5A. Cf. her e-fit compared to Brech.

Jane Tanner: on 3 May at 21h20 she saw a white male, who did not look like a tourist, aged between 35 and 40 (Brech was 42 at the time), 1.78 m tall with dark, thick hair, shiny, messy, slightly longer at the neck, shorter on sides. She saw him crossing the junction at R d Francisco Gentil Martins and R d Agostinho da Silva at the top, walking towards the back of block 6. He wore a thin, black, bomber-style jacket and a yellow-brown, baggy, chino-style, linen fabric style pants and standard dark shoes. He had a child in his arms, aged 3 to 4, light skin, lying on his left arm, legs across his right arm, light-coloured pyjamas, white/pink floral pattern, turn-up detail/decoration at ankles, no shoes, no blanket. The man looked a bit hurried.

Given CB’s lawyer’s recent visit to Portugal to examine the PJ files and his statement that SY is correct in treating Madeleine’s case as a missing person’s case, may imply that his client and possibly others, were involved in removing Madeleine, not for indecent purposes but perhaps as part of a syndicate to supply children to the illegal adoption trade.

All of this is my opinion only.

Explained: How the cold case of Nicky Verstappen may finally be solved
Ferrer, Isabel (28 August 2018). "Arrest of Dutch man in Barcelona could solve one of Holland's most infamous cases". El País. ISSN 1134-6582
Jos B.: Twintig jaar in het dossier, maar nooit verdacht". 11 December 2018. Archived from the original on 17 May 2019
Limburgs jongetje mogelijk ontvoerd uit tentenkamp op heide". Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant. 15 August 1998
55-jarige Jos B. gezocht voor dood Nicky Verstappen". Hart van Nederland. 22 August 2018
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk

This is really interesting! Do we know is JB was found before or after the incident where CB was exposing himself and a friend fled the scene? I always thought that was suspicious, why was the friend fleeing when it was CB who was committing the crime. Was the friend maybe scared of the police or being found by the police as they were a wanted person? Could the fleeing friend JB?
 
  • #375
Interesting. Some eerie similarities there. Also appears to have curly blonde hair from this video if it is accurate but he appears to be grey in other photos around this time and have seen one with dark hair.


@Tekno maybe you could do a side by side with this one.
 

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Hi SuperD,

I find the following interesting: both were taken from their beds while asleep; Nicky from his tent and Madeleine from her holiday bedroom. Both Nicky and Madeleine’s shoes/slippers were still in the tent/bedroom from where they disappeared. Nicky was found with no dirt on his feet.

Brech might have considered that his predatory profile i.e interest in boys, would not put him under suspicion in girls’ disappearance/s. From 2005 and 2011, he would disappear for long periods of time, according to his family. Hypothetically, he could have been in the Algarve during early 2007.

The Barcelona incident with the woman at the Olympic Marina asking for her new daughter, 72 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, might be significant, taking into account that Brech was eventually arrested at Castellterçol in 2018, 50 km from Barcelona.

At his court appearance on 26 August 2019, Brech refused to speak about the case and said to the examining magistrate: “the time is only ready when everything is fully understood”. When asked by whom should everything be understood, Brech replied “by me”. Also the fact he had prepared a statement/confession months before he was arrested and which is been held in a safe and will only be released once he decides to do so. This may indicate that since his DNA profile is now known, possibly implicating him in other crimes, he will be prepared to eventually reveal all (?). Now that CB has publicly entered the frame, I am wondering if there is a possible link to Brech’s words and recent developments in Madeleine’s case.

Profile of Joseph Theresia (Jos) Brech: white male, born 29 October 1962, 1.80 m tall, brown (grey by now) short, wavy hair, normal/thin posture, large, in his early years he worked at different scouting camps (for children) across Europe.

Young mother (possibly artist, Jenni Weinberger) and daughter: vicinity of Ocean Club, corner of R d Agostinho da Silva, next to the wall of Block 6. She saw the man on two occasions, 29 April at 8h00 and on 2 May. She described him as a white male, 1.78 m tall with pitted skin, small eyes. He possibly wore jeans. He was staring intently at the balcony area of apartment 5A. Cf. her e-fit compared to Brech.

Jane Tanner: on 3 May at 21h20 she saw a white male, who did not look like a tourist, aged between 35 and 40 (Brech was 42 at the time), 1.78 m tall with dark, thick hair, shiny, messy, slightly longer at the neck, shorter on sides. She saw him crossing the junction at R d Francisco Gentil Martins and R d Agostinho da Silva at the top, walking towards the back of block 6. He wore a thin, black, bomber-style jacket and a yellow-brown, baggy, chino-style, linen fabric style pants and standard dark shoes. He had a child in his arms, aged 3 to 4, light skin, lying on his left arm, legs across his right arm, light-coloured pyjamas, white/pink floral pattern, turn-up detail/decoration at ankles, no shoes, no blanket. The man looked a bit hurried.

Given CB’s lawyer’s recent visit to Portugal to examine the PJ files and his statement that SY is correct in treating Madeleine’s case as a missing person’s case, may imply that his client and possibly others, were involved in removing Madeleine, not for indecent purposes but perhaps as part of a syndicate to supply children to the illegal adoption trade.

All of this is my opinion only.

Explained: How the cold case of Nicky Verstappen may finally be solved
Ferrer, Isabel (28 August 2018). "Arrest of Dutch man in Barcelona could solve one of Holland's most infamous cases". El País. ISSN 1134-6582
Jos B.: Twintig jaar in het dossier, maar nooit verdacht". 11 December 2018. Archived from the original on 17 May 2019
Limburgs jongetje mogelijk ontvoerd uit tentenkamp op heide". Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant. 15 August 1998
55-jarige Jos B. gezocht voor dood Nicky Verstappen". Hart van Nederland. 22 August 2018
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk
Hi there Tekno, here is some speculation on my part, actually questions that I often ask myself;
Since JB ever mentioned keeping a written statement in a safe, and knowing that his DNA has been found on NV's clothing,
I've been wondering whether JB had been acting alone the night that NV disappeared.

NV could have died from the doings of a pervert other than JB and who very cautiously saw to it not to leave bodily traces behind.

Consider how MN never left bodily traces. Consider how CB never left traces except for that ONE hair that was found with the old lady.
And consider how the rapist of the British girl (possibly or probably CB) changed condoms more than once during the rape.

Back to NV; the pervert (mr. X) didn't leave traces on NV.
NV didn't survive the abuse and witness JB who was also present dresses NV up again, thus leaving his DNA traces behind.

I'm sure you know that a tissue with DNA of an unidentified male was found at a very short distance from where NV's body was found?
Could LE have found a match to that DNA by now?
 
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I'm seeing those black patches on the guy in the video too? I think the hair is a trick of the light in the video though, definitely doesn't look blonde in the photo.
 
  • #379
Correct they arrested at least two others that day. Possibly others of that Spanish commune. Perhaps the other two were released shortly after? Or not?

One guy on the ground behind JB:
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The other one, a blonde:
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  • #380
Or it was a joint criminal enterprise to make money by passing her up the chain. But after she became a huge news story, no one wanted her.
I worry that the opposite could be true :(
 
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