Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #24

[tedtink]

Am also only aware of one webchat that has been talked about by police...this being the 2013 Skype chat where CB talks about using a child for days etc. , although this chat is not publicly reported by police as containing any specific reference to MM herself.
Unless someone has some info about another webchat ?

Here it is, but IS the 'German paedo' quoted actually CB?

"A detective investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance previously made claims a 'German paedophile' wrote about her case on an Internet chat room"

German paedophile 'wrote about Madeleine McCann abduction in web chat room'

 

[Trivento]

Here it is, but IS the 'German paedo' quoted actually CB?

"A detective investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance previously made claims a 'German paedophile' wrote about her case on an Internet chat room"

German paedophile 'wrote about Madeleine McCann abduction in web chat room'

Thanks..
Had a read at Times article ( using free trial ) mentioned in the Mirror link and think it’s possibly all about the same 2013 Skype chat ?
The Mirror and Times articles don’t give a specific year of chat they are talking about .

imo..Perhaps some press “speculated “ the Skype chat could be referring to MM specifically and , as can happen with their poetic licence , the press have distorted this into meaning chat was definitely about MM ?

Not sure there has been reporting of two separate chats actually...though is just my reading and speculation and I may be wrong .

Unless there is another link that mentions a webchat that occurred on a different date specifically , so not 2013 ..?

 

[mrjitty]

I feel we are at a dead end unless something else drops

 

[SuperdadV8]

Referring to some possible coherences between CB and religious communities that have been mentioned in the past in here, some interesting article hit my eye today.

The article refers more to missing children and parental behaviors in general, but also refers to the MM case and C.B. and includes some interesting statements of lawyer Khubaib-Ali Mohammed, well known as the lawyer in some popular missing children cases in germany, including the IG case, either.

It's a very extensive article in german, so i would like to please everybody who is interested in it to translate it for themselves and i will just point out and translate one of the most interesting statement, Mohammed made in it.

"The girl has now disappeared for 13 years (annot.: MM!), Inga Gehricke five and with Rebecca Reusch there will be two next February. The feelings of the parents of missing children moved up and down like a sine curve over the years, says Mohammed - with fluctuations in both directions, despair and hope.

In the Inga case, the curve turned upwards two years ago (annot.: 2018!) when a seriously ill pastor from the Wuppertal area reported that the girl was being held captive on a farm. When the investigators wanted to ask him about the exact location, he relied on the confessional secret. He died the following day. If what the pastor said is correct, then Inga is alive. If the connection to Christian B. is correct, in all probability the worst is true, says Mohammed."

Wenn Kinder einfach verschwinden - berühmte Kriminalfälle - Vermischtes aus Deutschland & Welt - WESER-KURIER (weser-kurier.de)

I know, there are a lot of "if's" mentioned. But the statement of the official and serious lawyer in a missing child case, that a pastor revealed some knowledge that could or must have been confessed to him by someone that must be involved makes me assume, that info could be from a reliable source. Than there should be someone out there with knowledge about missing children, who is an active member of a religious community and even confesses these things to a pastor. That seems at last as odd to me, like being arrested as a known child molester, risen up in clerical institutions, in italy with a bible in his hands.....

 

[SuperdadV8]

And yet another interesting fact, according to some known infos like the disappearences of MM and IG on may the 3rd and may the 2nd and the suspect in probably both cases had a property in Neuwegersleben, saxony-anhalt. The article is from may the 5th 2014:

Kinderporno-Ring von Aschersleben: Fünfjährige als Lockvogel


"At the meeting of alleged pedophiles in Saxony-Anhalt that was blown up by the police, the main suspect is said to have used his five-year-old niece as a decoy. The eleven suspects took the girl with them to make contact with other children in playgrounds, for example. That said the lead investigator Holger Herrmann at a press conference in Magdeburg.

The child initially came into the care of the youth welfare office; the authorities later handed it over to the father. This does not belong to the group arrested in Aschersleben.

Investigators had arrested ten men between the ages of 23 and 60 and a 57-year-old woman there over the weekend (annot.: from may the 3rd to 4th 2014). They are said to be members of a network of pedophiles on the Internet. They met in the small town in Saxony-Anhalt at the invitation of a 54-year-old from Aschersleben. According to Herrmann, a total of 137 officials were involved in the operation against the group.

According to police, suspects are charged with child sexual abuse and possession or distribution of child *advertiser censored*. However, there is no urgent suspicion so far. Child *advertiser censored* has also not yet been found among those arrested. All eleven are now free again.

Regarding the background of the police action, Herrmann said that a testimony had brought the investigators on the trail of the group. According to this, a journalist had reported the planned meeting in Aschersleben to the investigators at the end of April. Without knowing the identity of the suspects, the police observed the participants at a children's flea market and when visiting the zoo. The aim of the conspiratorial meeting was "to visit places where children are staying and to make new contacts with children," said Herrmann.


According to the police, the access came when the group left the Aschersleben zoo around 6 p.m. and drove away in four cars. Investigators stopped the cars and took the eleven suspects into custody. The access was "calm and professional", said Herrmann. Police officers then questioned the group members and determined their personal details. Some of those arrested had admitted pedophile tendencies, but no criminal offenses.

According to the police, the suspects are members of a chat room in which pedophiles "maintain contacts and share experiences". Even explicit advice on abuse would be passed on in the board. The investigators had an initial suspicion from the testimony. Just a few days later, it was decided to gain access to clarify the identity of the suspects.

According to Herrmann, there is a suspicion that the group was active internationally. The suspects taken into custody come from Berlin, Dresden, Leipzig, North Rhine-Westphalia and Switzerland. Three had a relevant criminal record. Computers, communication technology and data carriers have been confiscated.

Regarding the reasons for the release of the suspects, Herrmann said that there was no time for extensive investigations in advance. They wanted to react quickly to the evidence to determine the identity of the alleged group members. An urgent suspicion is necessary for an arrest warrant, and this has not yet existed. "But we hope that we can get into this suspicious phase quickly," he added. "The investigation will now stretch very far."

Saxony-Anhalt's Interior Minister Holger Stahlknecht warned against too high expectations in the case. The investigations against the group are still at the very beginning, said the CDU politician. Various "follow-up measures" are planned, about which he cannot give any details. Stahlknecht expressly described the temporary arrest of the eleven suspects in Aschersleben as a success. The Minister of the Interior was particularly satisfied with the rapid action taken by the police after the evidence was given."

I would like to see some similarities to the known infos about CB's behaviors either. As you can see in the attachment, how close to each other places like Neuwegersleben, Wilhelmshof and Ascherleben in Saxony-Anhalt are.

Should all of this be just coincidence?

 

[Lilly b]

And yet another interesting fact, according to some known infos like the disappearences of MM and IG on may the 3rd and may the 2nd and the suspect in probably both cases had a property in Neuwegersleben, saxony-anhalt. The article is from may the 5th 2014:

Kinderporno-Ring von Aschersleben: Fünfjährige als Lockvogel


"At the meeting of alleged pedophiles in Saxony-Anhalt that was blown up by the police, the main suspect is said to have used his five-year-old niece as a decoy. The eleven suspects took the girl with them to make contact with other children in playgrounds, for example. That said the lead investigator Holger Herrmann at a press conference in Magdeburg.

The child initially came into the care of the youth welfare office; the authorities later handed it over to the father. This does not belong to the group arrested in Aschersleben.

Investigators had arrested ten men between the ages of 23 and 60 and a 57-year-old woman there over the weekend (annot.: from may the 3rd to 4th 2014). They are said to be members of a network of pedophiles on the Internet. They met in the small town in Saxony-Anhalt at the invitation of a 54-year-old from Aschersleben. According to Herrmann, a total of 137 officials were involved in the operation against the group.

According to police, suspects are charged with child sexual abuse and possession or distribution of child *advertiser censored*. However, there is no urgent suspicion so far. Child *advertiser censored* has also not yet been found among those arrested. All eleven are now free again.

Regarding the background of the police action, Herrmann said that a testimony had brought the investigators on the trail of the group. According to this, a journalist had reported the planned meeting in Aschersleben to the investigators at the end of April. Without knowing the identity of the suspects, the police observed the participants at a children's flea market and when visiting the zoo. The aim of the conspiratorial meeting was "to visit places where children are staying and to make new contacts with children," said Herrmann.


According to the police, the access came when the group left the Aschersleben zoo around 6 p.m. and drove away in four cars. Investigators stopped the cars and took the eleven suspects into custody. The access was "calm and professional", said Herrmann. Police officers then questioned the group members and determined their personal details. Some of those arrested had admitted pedophile tendencies, but no criminal offenses.

According to the police, the suspects are members of a chat room in which pedophiles "maintain contacts and share experiences". Even explicit advice on abuse would be passed on in the board. The investigators had an initial suspicion from the testimony. Just a few days later, it was decided to gain access to clarify the identity of the suspects.

According to Herrmann, there is a suspicion that the group was active internationally. The suspects taken into custody come from Berlin, Dresden, Leipzig, North Rhine-Westphalia and Switzerland. Three had a relevant criminal record. Computers, communication technology and data carriers have been confiscated.

Regarding the reasons for the release of the suspects, Herrmann said that there was no time for extensive investigations in advance. They wanted to react quickly to the evidence to determine the identity of the alleged group members. An urgent suspicion is necessary for an arrest warrant, and this has not yet existed. "But we hope that we can get into this suspicious phase quickly," he added. "The investigation will now stretch very far."

Saxony-Anhalt's Interior Minister Holger Stahlknecht warned against too high expectations in the case. The investigations against the group are still at the very beginning, said the CDU politician. Various "follow-up measures" are planned, about which he cannot give any details. Stahlknecht expressly described the temporary arrest of the eleven suspects in Aschersleben as a success. The Minister of the Interior was particularly satisfied with the rapid action taken by the police after the evidence was given."

I would like to see some similarities to the known infos about CB's behaviors either. As you can see in the attachment, how close to each other places like Neuwegersleben, Wilhelmshof and Ascherleben in Saxony-Anhalt are.

Should all of this be just coincidence?

I think I've posted something a while ago about this, as I remember it saying they meet up regularly, and went the zoo, think it was around the time I mentioned Alice day, as that's around end of April

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think I've posted something a while ago about this, as I remember it saying they meet up regularly, and went the zoo, think it was around the time I mentioned Alice day, as that's around end of April

Yes you did!

And although there isn't any provable link to CB or MM yet, there are too many coincidences IMO. Scheduled paedo meetings of web-organised and border crossing paedos to acquire new "bait" using other children, remote areas without any useful purpose, vehicles that allow hiding children, horrible jobs that could change a paedos life, webchats about horrible things. Proximity to many cases, without a straight link so far....

They seem to be pretty well organised, some of the "special" citizens around us.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Unfortunatly, once again, I will have to comment on our little Inga case here, even now that CB is "ruled out" and this makes me sad and upset at the same time but aparently it's very easy to believe BKA when they say that they have "secret" evidences that CB did kill MM while at the same time it's very hard to believe the exact same BKA when they say that CB doesn't have anything to do with the Inga case and ruled him out or better yet stated that he was not even a suspect to start with.

The report from the church pastor back in 2018 doesn't have any solid ground to be believed. First you have a person that decides to reveal that little Inga was alive on a farm but doesn't reveal where that farm is. If someone (even from the church) were to break the silence to help a child they would reveal the location as well.

Then you have the fact that majority of children that are kidnapped by strangers (with sexual motivation for example) end up dead and only in very rare events like Natasha K. the child (typicaly older) is kept alive in captivity. On those very rare cases that we can count by the fingers of the hands you have some obcessed guy who wants the girl to be there captive. Do you think such person would tell a priest that he did kidnapp a specific child (Inga) and took Her to a farm ? Then at the end you would need to link CB to the story as well. This statment was made back on 2018 and there were no CB mention at all in the "confession". Even if all of this were to be true you would then have to assume the same person that is not even a suspect on little Inga case to carry the child and sell Her or pass Her out to a 3rd party. In all Europe (if not on the entire world) how many cases do you guys know of someone like Natasha kidnapper that snatch a child to keep and pass the same child to someone else that keeps the child captive, etc ? Answer - NONE. Little Inga would be the first.

Mohammed just wants the case to be re-opened and the fact that CB did came to the media last year was a "golden oportunity" to bring attention to Inga as well.

Inga's mother is very upset and believes that MM is alive so if CB did take MM and a link is made Inga can be retrieved alive as well.

But reality is not that "soft". HCW/BKA do state from moment one that they have evidences that MM is dead and CB did kill Her, possible abused her as well.

So far the profile that we have for CB is of a "nasty" child abuser but not a killer. If BKA is correct he might be a child killer as well that wants to abuse children for days and kill them to get rid of evidence as stated on the chat. Do you think that a guy like that would carry a child like little Inga to a 3rd party to hide that child on a "secret farm" ?

I do care for little Inga and it makes me sad and upset some of the stuff that is posted here without any solid ground. Sorry to say this but it does. Even when the statments do came from people close to Inga family.

Alice day is as much relevant to all of this as PedoBear.

And to finish BKA/StA Stendal do know very well where CB was at least up untill 7/05/2015 and if there were a sligh doubt that we could be even remotly involved on little Inga case don't you guys think that the BKA would just leave the option on the table instead of declaring to the public that he doesn't have anything to do with Inga case ?

 

[C.greek]

I am coming back to this article and the 48 hours doc it refers to,

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/madeleine-mccann-usb-drives-buried-48-hours/


where it says

"Wolters says that in 2017, a decade after Madeleine had disappeared, a person contacted German police and gave them the suspect's name."

HB contacted operation Grange in 2017 from Greece and not German police. I find this interesting... where was CB in 2017(i don't recall if he was in prison?)

 

[Lilly b]

I am coming back to this article and the 48 hours doc it refers to,

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/madeleine-mccann-usb-drives-buried-48-hours/


where it says

"Wolters says that in 2017, a decade after Madeleine had disappeared, a person contacted German police and gave them the suspect's name."

HB contacted operation Grange in 2017 from Greece and not German police. I find this interesting... where was CB in 2017(i don't recall if he was in prison?)

From the guardian

2017

Convicted of sexual abuse of a child in Germany and sentenced to 15 months in prison.

Here's the rest

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner: a timeline

 

[worldwatcher]

Referring to some possible coherences between CB and religious communities that have been mentioned in the past in here, some interesting article hit my eye today.

The article refers more to missing children and parental behaviors in general, but also refers to the MM case and C.B. and includes some interesting statements of lawyer Khubaib-Ali Mohammed, well known as the lawyer in some popular missing children cases in germany, including the IG case, either.

It's a very extensive article in german, so i would like to please everybody who is interested in it to translate it for themselves and i will just point out and translate one of the most interesting statement, Mohammed made in it.

"The girl has now disappeared for 13 years (annot.: MM!), Inga Gehricke five and with Rebecca Reusch there will be two next February. The feelings of the parents of missing children moved up and down like a sine curve over the years, says Mohammed - with fluctuations in both directions, despair and hope.

In the Inga case, the curve turned upwards two years ago (annot.: 2018!) when a seriously ill pastor from the Wuppertal area reported that the girl was being held captive on a farm. When the investigators wanted to ask him about the exact location, he relied on the confessional secret. He died the following day. If what the pastor said is correct, then Inga is alive. If the connection to Christian B. is correct, in all probability the worst is true, says Mohammed."

Wenn Kinder einfach verschwinden - berühmte Kriminalfälle - Vermischtes aus Deutschland & Welt - WESER-KURIER (weser-kurier.de)

I know, there are a lot of "if's" mentioned. But the statement of the official and serious lawyer in a missing child case, that a pastor revealed some knowledge that could or must have been confessed to him by someone that must be involved makes me assume, that info could be from a reliable source. Than there should be someone out there with knowledge about missing children, who is an active member of a religious community and even confesses these things to a pastor. That seems at last as odd to me, like being arrested as a known child molester, risen up in clerical institutions, in italy with a bible in his hands.....

So just to jump here - bold, because I got some questions about Wilhelmshof,for better understanding.

Is, it this a NGO institution? It's voluntary rehab,religion based?
Kinda lost here, tbh...

 

[SuperdadV8]

So just to jump here - bold, because I got some questions about Wilhelmshof,for better understanding.

Is, it this a NGO institution? It's voluntary rehab,religion based?
Kinda lost here, tbh...

Auf einen Blick

 

[Chiatos]

And yet another interesting fact, according to some known infos like the disappearences of MM and IG on may the 3rd and may the 2nd and the suspect in probably both cases had a property in Neuwegersleben, saxony-anhalt. The article is from may the 5th 2014:

Kinderporno-Ring von Aschersleben: Fünfjährige als Lockvogel


"At the meeting of alleged pedophiles in Saxony-Anhalt that was blown up by the police, the main suspect is said to have used his five-year-old niece as a decoy. The eleven suspects took the girl with them to make contact with other children in playgrounds, for example. That said the lead investigator Holger Herrmann at a press conference in Magdeburg.

The child initially came into the care of the youth welfare office; the authorities later handed it over to the father. This does not belong to the group arrested in Aschersleben.

Investigators had arrested ten men between the ages of 23 and 60 and a 57-year-old woman there over the weekend (annot.: from may the 3rd to 4th 2014). They are said to be members of a network of pedophiles on the Internet. They met in the small town in Saxony-Anhalt at the invitation of a 54-year-old from Aschersleben. According to Herrmann, a total of 137 officials were involved in the operation against the group.

According to police, suspects are charged with child sexual abuse and possession or distribution of child *advertiser censored*. However, there is no urgent suspicion so far. Child *advertiser censored* has also not yet been found among those arrested. All eleven are now free again.

Regarding the background of the police action, Herrmann said that a testimony had brought the investigators on the trail of the group. According to this, a journalist had reported the planned meeting in Aschersleben to the investigators at the end of April. Without knowing the identity of the suspects, the police observed the participants at a children's flea market and when visiting the zoo. The aim of the conspiratorial meeting was "to visit places where children are staying and to make new contacts with children," said Herrmann.


According to the police, the access came when the group left the Aschersleben zoo around 6 p.m. and drove away in four cars. Investigators stopped the cars and took the eleven suspects into custody. The access was "calm and professional", said Herrmann. Police officers then questioned the group members and determined their personal details. Some of those arrested had admitted pedophile tendencies, but no criminal offenses.

According to the police, the suspects are members of a chat room in which pedophiles "maintain contacts and share experiences". Even explicit advice on abuse would be passed on in the board. The investigators had an initial suspicion from the testimony. Just a few days later, it was decided to gain access to clarify the identity of the suspects.

According to Herrmann, there is a suspicion that the group was active internationally. The suspects taken into custody come from Berlin, Dresden, Leipzig, North Rhine-Westphalia and Switzerland. Three had a relevant criminal record. Computers, communication technology and data carriers have been confiscated.

Regarding the reasons for the release of the suspects, Herrmann said that there was no time for extensive investigations in advance. They wanted to react quickly to the evidence to determine the identity of the alleged group members. An urgent suspicion is necessary for an arrest warrant, and this has not yet existed. "But we hope that we can get into this suspicious phase quickly," he added. "The investigation will now stretch very far."

Saxony-Anhalt's Interior Minister Holger Stahlknecht warned against too high expectations in the case. The investigations against the group are still at the very beginning, said the CDU politician. Various "follow-up measures" are planned, about which he cannot give any details. Stahlknecht expressly described the temporary arrest of the eleven suspects in Aschersleben as a success. The Minister of the Interior was particularly satisfied with the rapid action taken by the police after the evidence was given."

I would like to see some similarities to the known infos about CB's behaviors either. As you can see in the attachment, how close to each other places like Neuwegersleben, Wilhelmshof and Ascherleben in Saxony-Anhalt are.

Should all of this be just coincidence?

But all of them have been released ....?

 

[Chiatos]

We don't know what type of Bible CB was carrying, is it?
Language / Catholic / Protestant / ?

 

[SuperdadV8]

But all of them have been released ....?

Hard to say! There was nothing to read about further investigations against these people so far.

 

[Chiatos]

Hard to say! There was nothing to read about further investigations against these people so far.

I haven't read the item in depth, but at some point it reads: Alle elf sind inzwischen wieder frei.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I haven't read the item in depth, but at some point it reads: Alle elf sind inzwischen wieder frei.

That's not unusual, because they hadn't been put into arrest that day, because no crime happened whilst they kept their meeting. As weird as it may sound. But they had been interrogated and their whereabouts and names have been recorded.

But i can't say if they charged for other things later.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Fall Maddie: Weitere Ermittlungen gegen Christian B.

"...As the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig explains when asked by regionalHeute, four proceedings are currently being investigated against Christian B. In addition to the investigation into the Maddie case, this concerns the rape of a young Irish woman, the sexual abuse of a German tourist girl and a possible sexual abuse in connection with a children's party, on the occasion of which the convicted was arrested in Portugal and then extradited to Germany. "All the acts took place in Portugal," says the first public prosecutor and spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, Christian Wolters.

To what extent the investigations and the proceedings in the Maddie case have progressed, how long they will continue and when an indictment can be expected, Wolters cannot say. "The suspicion against the accused still exists," said Wolters and explains that - apart from practical problems - the cooperation between the Portuguese and British authorities with the Brunswick public prosecutor is going well and is supporting the investigation. "The cooperation with the Portuguese and British authorities is naturally more cumbersome than if we were only investigating within Germany. This is due to the translations required and the relatively formalistic legal assistance procedure, which takes a lot of time," says Wolters....."

 

[tedtink]

Fall Maddie: Weitere Ermittlungen gegen Christian B.

"...As the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig explains when asked by regionalHeute, four proceedings are currently being investigated against Christian B. In addition to the investigation into the Maddie case, this concerns the rape of a young Irish woman, the sexual abuse of a German tourist girl and a possible sexual abuse in connection with a children's party, on the occasion of which the convicted was arrested in Portugal and then extradited to Germany. "All the acts took place in Portugal," says the first public prosecutor and spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, Christian Wolters.

To what extent the investigations and the proceedings in the Maddie case have progressed, how long they will continue and when an indictment can be expected, Wolters cannot say. "The suspicion against the accused still exists," said Wolters and explains that - apart from practical problems - the cooperation between the Portuguese and British authorities with the Brunswick public prosecutor is going well and is supporting the investigation. "The cooperation with the Portuguese and British authorities is naturally more cumbersome than if we were only investigating within Germany. This is due to the translations required and the relatively formalistic legal assistance procedure, which takes a lot of time," says Wolters....."

Thanks Super.
That's a positive update!
We've gotta wait this out a bit longer.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Thanks Super.
That's a positive update!
We've gotta wait this out a bit longer.

HCW's statements can possibly seen, as if the PJ seems to be more convinced of the german investigations, than they maybe have been in the past. Maybe some evidence has been shared.

The question could be, why it is still taking so long. Maybe because of the quoted "formalistic legal assistance". I would like to assume, that german prosecutors just can't fly to portugal and maybe dig up portugese ground without permission of portugese authorities?!

I just don't know...