Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[misty48]

Is there a chance HB decided, after talking with unknown others, to go to the police after CB sounded off in the Hannover bar in May 2017 to get his version of events known before the police went looking for him (HB)? HB must have had far more to offer police than simply a drunken confession in a bar, given that he claimed to have reported CB to Portuguese police after an earlier confession at the Dragon Festival in 2008.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Ref the girl speaking German, could Dutch be mistaken for German? (In the same way that I can understand some Portuguese because I have a little French).

Can the McCanns speak Dutch? Didn’t they live in the Netherlands at one point, or am I muddling cases on here?

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Ref the girl speaking German, could Dutch be mistaken for German? (In the same way that I can understand some Portuguese because I have a little French).

Can the McCanns speak Dutch? Didn’t they live in the Netherlands at one point, or am I muddling cases on here?

I can’t answer if Dutch sounds like German.
However, the McCanns did live there; but only for one year, in 2004. I doubt any of them, especially MM, could speak it but that’s just MOO. They did state that they still had a lot of friends there when she went missing, so they could well have kept up learning the language.

I wanted to clarify the year they lived there so did a quick Google search and ended up on that gerrymccannsblogs. Skimmed over a couple of posts. One mentions a tip off that LE took seriously enough that they delayed the MCs flight to Amsterdam (part of their appeal tour) and had a plan in place to divert them to the UK to continue talks but could never get back in contact with the caller. That alone screams bogus call to me… But the call was then traced to Argentina. Didn’t someone once find a FB page for a Diogo Silva from around the Algarve that had relocated to South America? I have Argentina in my head but that’s probably because I’ve just read about the call. We discussed him at length before and I believe people brought good Sleuthing to rule him out as being a CB acquaintance…

I’ve been away far too long, my head’s frazzled

 

[Sharkbite]

CB didn't took any therapy at Uchtspringe/Diakoniewerk EVER. I did bother to PROPERLY check that last year and it was quite easy to get that info from official sources. Too bad JC "trusts" all random stuff that is written on WS by random posters even more when it's written with the sole intent of linking CB with case from where he was officaly excluded (even by the ones claiming he did kill MM) ....

I think JC might have misunderstood what is written in this post about child *advertiser censored* being smuggled into and shared between inmates at the Uchtspringe/Diakoniewerk
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #16

"The accused man had already been sentenced to seven years in prison by the Halle Regional Court in 1996 for serious sexual abuse. Since then he has been in Uchtspringe for therapy and was only released in June with a positive prognosis."

This is referring to a 57 year old man and not CB
Kinderporno im Maßregelvollzug
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[mrjitty]

For me the great irony in all of this is the media supposedly learned its lesson about claiming people did child killings based on the say so of the police and flimsy evidence

And here we are again, doing exactly the same thing.

 

[Chiatos]

I hope this is allowed. Feel free to give me a swift boot up the hole if not, Mods.

MY SEARCH FOR MADELEINE: One Reporter’s 14-Year Hunt To Solve Europe’s Most Harrowing Crime

The free excerpt for anyone interested that doesn’t have Kindle.

Do you know whether the book mentions anything about two Russian brothers?

 

[Chiatos]

Ref the girl speaking German, could Dutch be mistaken for German? (In the same way that I can understand some Portuguese because I have a little French).

Can the McCanns speak Dutch? Didn’t they live in the Netherlands at one point, or am I muddling cases on here?

Are you referring to the McCanns having heard someone speaking in German?
Then I expect them to be able to distinguish Dutch from German.
(No 100% guarantee though.)

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Are you referring to the McCanns having heard someone speaking in German?
Then I expect them to be able to distinguish Dutch from German.
(No 100% guarantee though.)

No I was referring to the little girl - possible Maddie - who spoke German. I was wondering if she were Maddie, is there a faint chance she could have known and spoken Dutch to the kidnapper?

 

[Chiatos]

No I was referring to the little girl - possible Maddie - who spoke German. I was wondering if she were Maddie, is there a faint chance she could have known and spoken Dutch to the kidnapper?

OK, the strange thing of that sighting record is that it seems to say that the man spoke German for the girl. Not to the girl.
Unfortunately, the record does not say whether the girl had spoken at all.

But to answer your question whether the witness could have been able to distinguish German from Dutch: perhaps he could have.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

OK, the strange thing of that sighting record is that it seems to say that the man spoke German for the girl. Not to the girl.
Unfortunately, the record does not say whether the girl had spoken at all.

But to answer your question whether the witness could have been able to distinguish German from Dutch: perhaps he could have.

But it’s a German van with German plates and a witness saying he spoke German ... I think it very likely the guy was German, irrespective of where the McCanns have previously lived.

ETA @Betty_Boop88, how much detail does JC give about the Alcossebre sighting? Does he provide quotes from the actual witnesses?

 

[SuperdadV8]

The presumed sighting of a presumed german in the presumed campervan with a presumed MM in Alcossebre seems interesting enough because of one fact.

In 2018, a guy from spain/Barcelona (with money according to other media reports) has been sentenced for child abuse in connection with a german darkweb-based paedo-ring.

The investigations have been expanded in a case of a possible murder of a little girl, linked to the accomplice called "Javier G.D.". Unfortuneatly there isn't any info, if the murder investigation has been ceased or is still continuing. My geographical skills tell me, that Alcossebre is pretty close to Barcelona whilst heading there from southern Spain or even Portugal as well.

"A 32-year-old Spaniard was arrested in connection with the abuse case in his home country. He is accused of sexual abuse of children, serious rape, severe forced prostitution and distribution, as well as possession and acquisition of child *advertiser censored*. According to L., the Spaniard had offered the mother of the victim and him to buy a house for a kind of shared apartment and to pay the mother and her partner 2,000 euros a month if he could abuse the boy at any time in return. For this purpose he had already visited houses and apartments. According to the indictment, he had already paid the mother and her partner 10,000 euros for the crimes actually committed. According to the indictment, he rented holiday apartments for weekends for the acts. He moved into this for several days together with the child, his mother and their partner. There were multiple attacks, all three adults took part. In addition, there were excesses of violence. The Spaniard filmed the deeds and later also sold the films. The police got on his trail through the landlady of a vacation home. After she became suspicious, she photographed the license plate number of the Spaniard's rental car while he was with the boy in the holiday apartment. The Spaniard was sentenced in August 2018 to ten years' imprisonment and the payment of 18,000 euros in compensation for pain and suffering.

In his home country he already had a criminal record for possession of child *advertiser censored*. A review of videos found on the Spaniard revealed evidence of the murder of a girl by the Spaniard, together with a previously unknown accomplice, presumably in Belarus. That is why he is still being investigated."

Staufener Missbrauchsfall – Wikipedia

The arrests in the linked case have been made in 2017. So it's very likely that the spaniard was arrested in 2017 as well and in cooperation with the german BKA.

So the timeline and some circumstances could be interesting IMO.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

The Spaniard was sentenced in August 2018 to ten years' imprisonment

Only 10 years.

(Quote RSBM.)

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The presumed sighting of a presumed german in the presumed campervan with a presumed MM in Alcossebre seems interesting enough because of one fact.

The key interesting fact for me is that CB is German and in May 2007 he was driving a VW camper van - timeline and basic description make this sighting a possible match.

If CB has dark web and paedo-ring connections what do we know that supports this possibility:

1. MT stated CB was always on the dark web;
2. There is the 2013 web chat about keeping something small ... ;
3. CB likely had cash in early June 2007 to pay for the Tiffen which could mean he received payment for something to do with MM;
4. The 8,000 images at the box factory had to have come from somewhere.

Is there anything else? Is this strong evidence?

On the flip side, what makes it less likely IMO is HCW stating that CB is the only suspect, if it were a paedo-ring, wouldn’t he be looking for more?

BTW @SuperdadV8 I am not disagreeing with you, I just wonder why you keep putting the suggestion forward.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Only 10 years.

(Quote RSBM.)

I know, I couldn’t read the Wikipedia entry, there are some truly vile people in this world.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Only 10 years.

(Quote RSBM.)

He will be kept in safe custody. There was an appeal at the highest german court from the prosecuters office with a legally binding decision in 2020. He will be locked up for a very long time.

But the most interesting part seems to be the existence of such a video in connection to spaniards and russians. MS has been interrogated by BKA about some parts of it, right?

 

[SuperdadV8]

The key interesting fact for me is that CB is German and in May 2007 he was driving a VW camper van - timeline and basic description make this sighting a possible match.

If CB has dark web and paedo-ring connections what do we know that supports this possibility:

1. MT stated CB was always on the dark web;
2. There is the 2013 web chat about keeping something small ... ;
3. CB likely had cash in early June 2007 to pay for the Tiffen which could mean he received payment for something to do with MM;
4. The 8,000 images at the box factory had to have come from somewhere.

Is there anything else? Is this strong evidence?

On the flip side, what makes it less likely IMO is HCW stating that CB is the only suspect, if it were a paedo-ring, wouldn’t he be looking for more?

BTW @SuperdadV8 I am not disagreeing with you, I just wonder why you keep putting the suggestion forward.

According to the flip side argument:

HCW quoted, the HE is just investigating CB. He has to, because CB's last known adress was located in Braunschweig so it's the job of the prosecutors office in Braunschweig.

He never quoted that BKA or other prosecutors aren't investigating other people in relation to the MM case. Obviously the BKA is interested in two russians from spain as well, as MS told the media. I'm convinced, that HCW just made some snippets of the case public, as a kind of strategy.

There could be so much more, IMO. Isn't it interesting, that so many people in here seem to be offended by the way HCW deals with the investigation in relation to the media, whilst two solicitors keep that quiet?

Don't get me wrong, but after 14 years without a charge, some circumstances around the MM case are making me more curious than the case itself....

 

[Lilly b]

According to the flip side argument:

HCW quoted, the HE is just investigating CB. He has to, because CB's last known adress was located in Braunschweig so it's the job of the prosecutors office in Braunschweig.

He never quoted that BKA or other prosecutors aren't investigating other people in relation to the MM case. Obviously the BKA is interested in two russians from spain as well, as MS told the media. I'm convinced, that HCW just made some snippets of the case public, as a kind of strategy.

There could be so much more, IMO. Isn't it interesting, that so many people in here seem to be offended by the way HCW deals with the investigation in relation to the media, whilst two solicitors keep that quiet?

Don't get me wrong, but after 14 years without a charge, some circumstances around the MM case are making me more curious than the case itself....

Defo interesting, and defo only releasing snippets, there's a lot we don't know, one can only imagine

 

[Trivento]

He never quoted that BKA or other prosecutors aren't investigating other people in relation to the MM case.

Indeed..in the JC book interview , HCW says he is more of a press liaison guy in his dept. and there is a lead female investigator, who doesn’t always tell him everything , in case he releases still confidential info by mistake.
HCW also said he doesn’t even know what was in files from Neuwegersleben box-factory , as is under jurisdiction of police in Halle.

Could be most likely bit of bluff to hide behind of course to fend off overly sensitive questions…

But could partially demonstrate reason for difficulties and delays, as things seem to get complicated in German system when different geographical areas are involved …leading to red tape etc between the relevant German police forces…never mind between those of different countries..!

 

[Chiatos]

But it’s a German van with German plates and a witness saying he spoke German ... I think it very likely the guy was German, irrespective of where the McCanns have previously lived.

ETA @Betty_Boop88, how much detail does JC give about the Alcossebre sighting? Does he provide quotes from the actual witnesses?

Yes, I'm also convinced that the man was German, with those German plates and all.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Indeed..in the JC book interview , HCW says he is more of a press liaison guy in his dept. and there is a lead female investigator, who doesn’t always tell him everything , in case he releases still confidential info by mistake.
HCW also said he doesn’t even know what was in files from Neuwegersleben box-factory , as is under jurisdiction of police in Halle.

Could be most likely bit of bluff to hide behind of course to fend off overly sensitive questions…

Right, head of the investigation seems to be female prosecutor Ute L. as head of the unit for sexual (!) related crimes. It's a special unit beside the unit for crimes like murder or manslaughter, although the investigation is kept as a murder investigation.

Interesting, isn't it...?