Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #32

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There's nothing remotely old-fashioned about being alarmed - personally, I'd go with appalled - at such an egregious legal breach of an individual's basic human right to be seen as innocent until proven guilty.
The McCanns, you mean? To be publicly accused of killing their daughter with an overdose of calpol, hiding their dead daughter's body, fabricating abduction and launching a fraudulent fund in their dead daughter's name?

Absolutely shocking. Except. of course, that you don't mean that ....
 

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GA has given his reasons for why he has accused the McCanns. Anyone who reads what he has written can then form their own opinion.

As MrJ points out, when he wrote the book he was no longer involved in the investigation.

IMO, this is different to what HCW has done with CB which is to assert his guilt publicly during an ongoing investigation without providing and reason - which he can’t. He should have stayed away from some of the comments he has made.

Seems to me, those on here who constantly hark back to GA (and the dogs the dogs the dogs) are the ones who are giving the least credence to HCW and the current investigation.

Bottom line, if HCW's position had substance, there would be no need to deflect.

But I'm good with that. It tells its own story.
 

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The first point is the most telling IMO and no one can put him there. In 2013 Operation Grange DCI Redwood talked of a revelation moment in moving the alleged abduction time up to circa 10pm, it was thought previously that JT had seen a potential abductor at circa 9-15 pm, SY all but dismissed this. The person seen at circa 10pm was carrying a child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine McCann, the JT sighting did not, neither of the two persons seen carrying a child fits a description of CB, when CB's name/picture became public the person who saw the 10pm child carrier is reported to have said he does not recognise that man as CB. This man carrying the child at circa 10pm is the key and always as been imo.
Odd that GM's tennis partner Dr Julian Totman came forward and said that it was he who was carrying the child and that this was dismissed by LE and it took years for Scotland Yard to follow up on this information.

"Julian Totman's wife Rachel, who lives with her husband in the West Country, has revealed that police had never contacted them.

She told The Sun: 'My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn't hear anything for years.

'We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner. But the national police who investigated didn't get back to us and we don't know if our information was ever passed on.
'"

This has always niggled me.
 

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Seems to me, those on here who constantly hark back to GA (and the dogs the dogs the dogs) are the ones who are giving the least credence to HCW and the current investigation.

Bottom line, if HCW's position had substance, there would be no need to deflect.

But I'm good with that. It tells its own story.
And leaves other stories open IMO.

No one has been found guilty for any crime in relation to MM so it’s best to keep all options open.
 

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Odd that Dr Julian Totman came forward and said that it was he who was carrying the child and that this was dismissed by LE and it took years for Scotland Yard to follow up on this information.

"Julian Totman's wife Rachel, who lives with her husband in the West Country, has revealed that police had never contacted them.

She told The Sun: 'My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn't hear anything for years.

'We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner. But the national police who investigated didn't get back to us and we don't know if our information was ever passed on.
'"

This has always niggled me.
Except he was walking in the wrong direction.
 

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Except he was walking in the wrong direction.
That didn't bother DCI Redwood did it. I think he only mentioned it at all because he pretty much had nothing else to say and Op Grange had been lumbered with a lot of live Crimewatch minutes to fill.

I don't think any police in either country ever took that sighting seriously.
 

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Odd that GM's tennis partner Dr Julian Totman came forward and said that it was he who was carrying the child and that this was dismissed by LE and it took years for Scotland Yard to follow up on this information.

"Julian Totman's wife Rachel, who lives with her husband in the West Country, has revealed that police had never contacted them.

She told The Sun: 'My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn't hear anything for years.

'We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner. But the national police who investigated didn't get back to us and we don't know if our information was ever passed on.
'"

This has always niggled me.
Two reasons why the PJ may have "buried" Dr Totman's belief he was Tannerman in May 2007:-
1. PJ were busy investigating RM as a possible Tannerman at the time & wouldn't have wanted to hand him his defence on a plate
2. Smith family came forward in the same month with their sighting which was uncannily similar to Tannerman + child. Dr Totman + daughter couldn't have been the potential abductor if he was carrying his own child. IMO if PJ knew, or had disclosed, in the early weeks of the investigation that Dr Totman was believed to be Tannerman they would have been obliged to investigate the Smith sighting far more thoroughly at the time i.e. well before Gerry carried his son down the airstairs in September 2007.
 

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Did Dr Totman not mean he told British police, in 2007, misty? I remember there was an article about it after that live Crimewatch. I don't think he meant the Portuguese police.

(all Crimewatch's were live, I've been reminded. I'm blushing appropriately. I mean the Op Grange one of course)
 
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The McCanns, you mean? To be publicly accused of killing their daughter with an overdose of calpol, hiding their dead daughter's body, fabricating abduction and launching a fraudulent fund in their dead daughter's name?

Absolutely shocking. Except. of course, that you don't mean that ....
iirc it was the McCanns, or their family and spokesperson (JM) who leaked that to the media. That was when the media speculation exploded. But all they cared about at that moment was getting home?
 

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The above article seems to indicate it was initially Portuguese police the Totman’s reported to about J.Tot possibly being Tannerman .

There was a discussion back in Thread 21 about “ direction “ of Tannerman.
Post 1440 from @redplanet said this…

“I am upping this by @tedtink because IMO it may possibly fully and elegantly solve the problem of direction.

"Perhaps the T's were dining at the Millenium with oldest child and friends - Dr T left minutes earlier to pick up daughter from the night creche, walked back to apartment, realising he had no key, walked back towards the restaurant to meet his wife who may have got delayed for some reason".”
 

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Fair enough, Trivento, that's a much later article. It's probably more accurate (I'd hope so anyway)
 

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The above article seems to indicate it was initially Portuguese police the Totman’s reported to about J.Tot possibly being Tannerman .

There was a discussion back in Thread 21 about “ direction “ of Tannerman.
Post 1440 from @redplanet said this…

“I am upping this by @tedtink because IMO it may possibly fully and elegantly solve the problem of direction.

"Perhaps the T's were dining at the Millenium with oldest child and friends - Dr T left minutes earlier to pick up daughter from the night creche, walked back to apartment, realising he had no key, walked back towards the restaurant to meet his wife who may have got delayed for some reason".”
I have heard the same possible explanation from another poster elsewhere who claimed to have heard it from " a source within the PJ". However, in his 2022 book Basta de Mentiras, Amaral questioned many aspects of SY's "revelation moment" and the direction of Dr Totman's travel and unusually seemed to know little about such an explanation. As a parent, if I was carrying a young child dressed in just her pyjamas and only half-covered by a small blanket, I'm not sure I'd have started making my way back towards the Mill restaurant on a chilly night when I could have just waited in the sheltered stairwell of Block 4.
 

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Two reasons why the PJ may have "buried" Dr Totman's belief he was Tannerman in May 2007:-
1. PJ were busy investigating RM as a possible Tannerman at the time & wouldn't have wanted to hand him his defence on a plate
2. Smith family came forward in the same month with their sighting which was uncannily similar to Tannerman + child. Dr Totman + daughter couldn't have been the potential abductor if he was carrying his own child. IMO if PJ knew, or had disclosed, in the early weeks of the investigation that Dr Totman was believed to be Tannerman they would have been obliged to investigate the Smith sighting far more thoroughly at the time i.e. well before Gerry carried his son down the airstairs in September 2007.
I do not recall if Smith sighting was really buried or dismissed at that time or later.
 

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Did Dr Totman not mean he told British police, in 2007, misty? I remember there was an article about it after that live Crimewatch. I don't think he meant the Portuguese police.

(all Crimewatch's were live, I've been reminded. I'm blushing appropriately. I mean the Op Grange one of course)
JT told the Portuguese police of his beliefs in May 2007 (the family stayed on for an extra week).
We know that Leics police sent out questionnaires in 2007 to all UK holidaymakers in Luz when Madeleine disappeared. Presumably the Totmans received one, completed and returned it to LP. All completed questionnaires were reported to be entered onto HOLMES and sent to PJ for their perusal. However, we have learned via MSM that many potentially important UK witnesses/holidaymakers were never contacted by PJ to follow up on their information, some of which may have led to CB years before he became prime suspect.
 

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Tanner sighting possibly Totman ?, it must be said OG never identified the individual to the public.
 

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Yes, in fact...not smart but maybe too "lucky" in some occasions. In any case, the rapes seemed to be meticulously planned. And almost with no trace...
CB is in jail on drug related charges, he's also serving time for rape, this crime was alleged to have been captured on tape and seen by at least two individuals who it seems either lost or destroyed said tape. He's also indicted on three other rapes also it seems captured on tape which no longer exist's, he is also indicted on two accounts of indecency, placing his penis in the hands of at least one of the children, can this really be a master criminal who can pull off the possibly most famously known but as yet unexplained disappearance and murder of a child in Portugal in 2007, seriously ?
 

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CB is in jail on drug related charges, he's also serving time for rape, this crime was alleged to have been captured on tape and seen by at least two individuals who it seems either lost or destroyed said tape. He's also indicted on three other rapes also it seems captured on tape which no longer exist's, he is also indicted on two accounts of indecency, placing his penis in the hands of at least one of the children, can this really be a master criminal who can pull off the possibly most famously known but as yet unexplained disappearance and murder of a child in Portugal in 2007, seriously ?
I agree with the idea that CB isn’t the shiniest tool in the shed but the DM rape for which he was convicted was not the video viewed by HB and MS. They viewed the videos of two of the rapes he has currently been charged with. I am unaware of wether the HB or DM videos have ever been recovered or have been viewed by anyone.
 
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