Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

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Bild yesterday, google translate.

Braunschweig – The decision of the district court in Braunschweig hit like a bomb.

Since the last German place of residence of the accused Christian Brückner (46) was not in Braunschweig, as assumed by the public prosecutor's office, one is "not responsible" for a rape trial against the previously convicted child molester, the court said.

The eagerly awaited trial against the man who is said to have kidnapped and killed Maddie McCann (then 3) , who had disappeared since 2007, from an apartment in Portugal has burst for the time being.

Although the regional court lifted the arrest warrant, Christian Brückner remains in prison.

He is currently serving a seven-year sentence in Oldenburg JVA for raping an American woman (72 at the time).

But: Brückner has served 4.5 years. After two-thirds of the sentence, release on probation is theoretically possible, which Brückner has already applied for according to BILD information.

However, given the ongoing investigations, it is unlikely that it will be approved.

According to prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, the court's decision initially does not change anything for his authority: "We are continuing to investigate the Maddie case and the accused remains in custody."

The reasons will be discussed and "the decision will then probably be reviewed by the Braunschweig Higher Regional Court."
Brückner's Kiel lawyer Friedrich Fülscher (38) had already questioned Braunschweig's jurisdiction in September 2022. The court now agreed with him.


"Should the public prosecutor's office challenge the well-founded decision of the regional court with a complaint, it would be clear that this is also about the personal vanities of the civil servants," said Fülscher. “Even the complaint costs time that another public prosecutor’s office could use sensibly.

The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig would also take considerable risks without need: even if the higher regional court in Braunschweig came to a different conclusion, the regional court would not be bound by this decision during the main hearing and could discontinue the proceedings with a judgement."

According to Fülscher, the only right thing to do is hand the case over to another public prosecutor's office as soon as possible.
If the Higher Regional Court has decided (or if the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office does not lodge an appeal), the files in Braunschweig would have to be packed up and handed over to a new public prosecutor's office.

Colleagues in Magdeburg (Brückner owned a property in Saxony-Anhalt) or Frankfurt (here he was handed over to the German authorities after his arrest in Italy) would then be considered. The hope of the defense: A new public prosecutor's office could continue the investigation with less zeal than the colleagues in Braunschweig.

According to BILD information, the prosecution witnesses who were supposed to testify against Brückner in the planned rape trial were just as surprised by the decision as the public prosecutor's office.

 
Colleagues in Magdeburg (Brückner owned a property in Saxony-Anhalt) or Frankfurt (here he was handed over to the German authorities after his arrest in Italy) would then be considered.
This is one of the issues with FF's argument. He's said previously that either Madgeburg or Frankfurt should be the prosecutors. And of course, Braunschweig are staking their claim to jurisdiction. So assuming Braunschweig were prepared to hand over the cases, which other region do they give them to?

In theory, they could hand them to Madgeburg, go through this whole indictment process again, and FF could object to that and say Frankfurt should be the correct authority.

This is where I think section 12 of the German code of criminal procedure may come in to play in the event Braunschweig appeal. It states that when there's more than one court with a claim to jurisdiction, it's the region which first opened the investigation which takes precedence - which would be Braunschweig.
 
.But thats a bit like putting the horse before the cart, they've got a suspect now line up the crime, it’s not even certain what the crime is yet. Let’s not forget it wasn't an investigation that led to CB, but it must be acknowledged because of the investigation into CB then the other crimes came to light.
Good point. IMO it was a product of good profiling & corroborating witness testimony. If they were an impulsive LEA who put the horse before the cart, they would have kicked things off in 2013 when they received a tip-off. It was different in 2017 because they had something that warranted an investigation. If they didn’t have that they wouldn’t have done so. Whereas in 2013 they had nothing concrete to go on. I don’t think it would have surprised the BKA or SY that a man who murdered a toddler would have committed other crimes. So further crimes coming to light, or already being known, was IMO far more likely than not. IMO it’s highly likely that some of his crimes remain unreported or are quashed or buried in a crusty old file, stacked in a dusty filing cabinet in a PJ office somewhere.
 
Good point. IMO it was a product of good profiling & corroborating witness testimony. If they were an impulsive LEA who put the horse before the cart, they would have kicked things off in 2013 when they received a tip-off. It was different in 2017 because they had something that warranted an investigation. If they didn’t have that they wouldn’t have done so. Whereas in 2013 they had nothing concrete to go on. I don’t think it would have surprised the BKA or SY that a man who murdered a toddler would have committed other crimes. So further crimes coming to light, or already being known, was IMO far more likely than not. IMO it’s highly likely that some of his crimes remain unreported or are quashed or buried in a crusty old file, stacked in a dusty filing cabinet in a PJ office somewhere.
You're calling him a murderer again when, as Richard kindly reminded us yesterday, HCW himself has said he has no such evidence. Can you keep ignoring the words of the prosecutor himself for ever? He believes he has circumstantial evidence that suggests to him CB may have had some involvement at some point. That's a long way from being able to charge somebody with murder. If he had the ammunition to be able to do that he'd have done it already I'm sure.
 
You're calling him a murderer again when, as Richard kindly reminded us yesterday, HCW himself has said he has no such evidence. Can you keep ignoring the words of the prosecutor himself for ever? He believes he has circumstantial evidence that suggests to him CB may have had some involvement at some point. That's a long way from being able to charge somebody with murder. If he had the ammunition to be able to do that he'd have done it already I'm sure.
Not true , HCW has said he has material evidence and circumstantial
as well and is 100% sure CB murdered MM this has been known to the public since June 2020 .
 
Not true , HCW has said he has material evidence and circumstantial
as well and is 100% sure CB murdered MM this has been known to the public since June 2020 .
I thought it was interesting that he was described the other day as 'the spokesperson for Braunschweig prosecutors', implying that others agree with him and his strategy since 2020. But has any other Braunschweig prosecutor ever spoken publicly?
 
I thought it was interesting that he was described the other day as 'the spokesperson for Braunschweig prosecutors', implying that others agree with him and his strategy since 2020. But has any other Braunschweig prosecutor ever spoken publicly?
No the only statements released have just been from HCW he is the official spokesman for Braunschweig prosecutors.
 
I thought it was interesting that he was described the other day as 'the spokesperson for Braunschweig prosecutors', implying that others agree with him and his strategy since 2020. But has any other Braunschweig prosecutor ever spoken publicly?
Why would they? That's HCWs job, he's the media spokesman for the Braunschweig office. Not just in this case, all the cases they deal with. He's not the one leading the investigation, I believe the lead prosecutor on the case is Ute Lindemann.
 
No the only statements released have just been from HCW he is the official spokesman for Braunschweig prosecutors.
Right back in June 2020.

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.
 
Right back in June 2020.

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.
Hoppe works for the BKA, not the prosecutors office.
 
Christian Hoppe, of Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), told the country’s ZDF television channel earlier today that police have not ruled out a sexual motive for the alleged crime against Madeleine.

He added that it is possible the suspect may have broken into an apartment in the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz – where Madeleine was on holiday with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and her twin siblings Sean and Amelie – before kidnapping her.

 
I'd like to know what Ute thinks about HCW saying "We're 100% certain" then, when they're clearly struggling to back that up.

The strategy may have worked with the publicity generated having led to further offences being prosecuted but he could have generated the publicity a bit more wisely imo
 
I'd like to know what Ute thinks about HCW saying "We're 100% certain" then, when they're clearly struggling to back that up.

The strategy may have worked with the publicity generated having led to further offences being prosecuted but he could have generated the publicity a bit more wisely imo
Wolters shook the tree and all kinds of detritus fell out , maybe not the piece he was hoping for.
 
Christian Hoppe, of Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), told the country’s ZDF television channel earlier today that police have not ruled out a sexual motive for the alleged crime against Madeleine.

He added that it is possible the suspect may have broken into an apartment in the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz – where Madeleine was on holiday with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and her twin siblings Sean and Amelie – before kidnapping her.

not ruled out, possible . Doesn't sound too sure to me.
 
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You're calling him a murderer again when, as Richard kindly reminded us yesterday, HCW himself has said he has no such evidence. Can you keep ignoring the words of the prosecutor himself for ever? He believes he has circumstantial evidence that suggests to him CB may have had some involvement at some point. That's a long way from being able to charge somebody with murder. If he had the ammunition to be able to do that he'd have done it already I'm sure.
‘Christian B murdered Madeleine McCann’ - HCW

‘We are sure Christian B murder MM because of the evidence we have’ - HCW

‘We have facts not mere indications’ -HCW

‘There are so many facts’ HCW

‘it was completely clear this was a homicide’ HCW

‘We have enough evidence to say that our suspect killed MM’

‘We have concrete evidence’ - HCW

In summary, the prosecutor, on behalf of his team & the up to 100 BKA investigators, is clearly stating CB killed MM & that’s because they have evidence of murder. If they didn’t have it (evidence of murder) prosecutors wouldn’t be involved & they certainly wouldn’t be telling the press.

IMO it’s all about clearing any opportunity for the defence to sow doubt.
 
‘Christian B murdered Madeleine McCann’ - HCW

‘We are sure Christian B murder MM because of the evidence we have’ - HCW

‘We have facts not mere indications’ -HCW

‘There are so many facts’ HCW

‘it was completely clear this was a homicide’ HCW

‘We have enough evidence to say that our suspect killed MM’

‘We have concrete evidence’ - HCW

In summary, the prosecutor, on behalf of his team & the up to 100 BKA investigators, is clearly stating CB killed MM & that’s because they have evidence of murder. If they didn’t have it (evidence of murder) prosecutors wouldn’t be involved & they certainly wouldn’t be telling the press.

IMO it’s all about clearing any opportunity for the defence to sow doubt.
In which case why hasn't he been charged. This is by far the most serious crime and one might expect it to take precedence over the others.
 
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