Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Mex]

Using the criteria of what has not been said, he never mentioned dogs in 5a, should that be taken into account ?

Only if it is pertinent to the thread and all I know about CB and dogs is that his lawyer has allegedly said he would allow CB to look after his dog but not his daughter, so dogs are probably off topic.

 

[Davieson]

Wolters being convinced is not the same as Wolters being correct.

 

[Mex]

Re the photos, lets suppose for this argument that CB is or was found to be in possession of, means nothing if he downloaded from the web, Wolters is sure she's dead but what is clear is that he or the BKA can't link CB to that death .IMO.

My opinion. Once the jurisdiction hold up has been settled and those trials concluded, we will be given the opportunity to assess the evidence held in the MM case in due course.

 

[Mex]

I think my post highlights one of the reasons its not clear cut.

Correct me if I've got it wrong, but you do not think there is photographic evidence featuring MM and CB and are trying to convince your opinion is the correct one.

Even if so why be so adamant about this single issue at this stage when we do know that much of the case centres on circumstantial evidence which we know little about.

 

[Mex]

Wolters being convinced is not the same as Wolters being correct.

I am at a loss as to why the spokesman is singled out so consistently. HCW is not a voice in the wilderness. He is only one of a an investigative team who have been working an active case which many said would never be solved.

Which it certainly won't be if no-one bothers to investigate it,

 

[Davieson]

I am at a loss as to why the spokesman is singled out so consistently. HCW is not a voice in the wilderness. He is only one of a an investigative team who have been working an active case which many said would never be solved.

Which it certainly won't be if no-one bothers to investigate it,

Precisely because he is the spokesperson. Everyone else involved is pretty much faceless and unknown.

I'm not sure that Wolters is an investigator as he's a prosecutor. I think the two are separate functions.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Re the photos, lets suppose for this argument that CB is or was found to be in possession of, means nothing if he downloaded from the web, Wolters is sure she's dead but what is clear is that he or the BKA can't link CB to that death .IMO.

I agree. If they could, there would very likely have been a charge.

 

[Pixie Child]

I’m not arguing that there is evidence, I am arguing there is likely no photo evidence.

We know that HCW’s investigation has uncovered:

1. A phone call was made at 7:32pm 3 May 2007, it was from a number that had been used previously by CB and the call may or may not have been made by CB;

2. CB reregistered his Jaguar 4 May 2007;

3. CB has written online that he wants to commit child abuse and murder;

4. There very likely exists a document in which CB possibly details his criminal behaviour and/or desires;

5. CB has committed rapes against women;

6. CB has publicly exposed himself and masturbated in front of children - of of which he grabbed; while doing so.

There is also the statement from HB which is valid for the investigation but wasn’t uncovered by it. We have discussed the alleged tenth anniversary bar confession before and I believe that it is misreporting of HB’s witness statement. If you can find a source showing who this confession was to, please share it.

I agree this information indicates that CB could be the kind of person responsible for MM’s disappearance - it’s a good story and possibility.

But, all of the above could genuinely be coincidence and bs from a sad sicko trying to impress one of his older, criminal mates.


The above quote is interesting. The statement from the Portuguese prosecutors didn’t say,”… the move was not driven by timing” the BBC did. And, the Portuguese prosecutors knew that CB was being investigated as far back as 2019, yet they waited until 14 years and 11 months into a 15 year statute of limitations period before making him an arguido and we are expected to believe it wasn’t driven by timing - oh please, I’m definitely calling bs on that one!

If there was a photo, IMO, there would be a charge. If the evidence was as strong as HCW has suggested, there would be a charge. Going on the info we have, CB won’t be charged for the MM case IMO.

BKA have witness evidence placing him at the OC stalking. They have 2 confessions (HB & the Hannover friend in bar); assorted comments, his own writings & memory sticks; Dark Web use, commercialisation of cp and the Panikspatz/Skype convos. They may or may not have photos but not enough for a firm identification.

But crucially, HB when asked if she was still alive said ‘The 10 years that have passed are many’. That leaves open the possibility that CB confessed to abduction only, not murder. Scotland Yard were super careful interviewing him - checking for bugs. I thought media bugs but it may have been to ensure HB’s safety. HB has been very cautious in his comments, didn’t even tell MS what he disclosed to police.

When HCW threatens a murder charge, it could be to put pressure on CB, imo to confess to abduction, a lesser crime.

 

[Mex]

Precisely because he is the spokesperson. Everyone else involved is pretty much faceless and unknown.

I'm not sure that Wolters is an investigator as he's a prosecutor. I think the two are separate functions.

Correct me if I've got it wrong but the role of prosecutor in Britain and for example, in Germany are somewhat different with the German prosecutor having a more hands on input to the process.

 

[G-Unit]

Thank you for your opinion, but I don't think it is as clear cut as you seem to believe.

You are not privy to the work which has been and continues to take place. The investigation knows probably as much as it is necessary to know and I believe they are convinced by it.

You don't know what investigators know either. Your arguments are all based on what you believe, not what you know. All I know is that a German prosecutor told the world that MM is dead and his suspect killed her. Three years have gone by and his suspect hasn't been charged. Until he is and his guilt is proved in the correct place; a court if law, the prosecutors words remain just that...words.

 

[Mex]

I agree. If they could, there would very likely have been a charge.

I'm not sure about that. As soon as a charge is made the case files are passed to defence lawyers. There may well be something within which could compromise one of the five trials which are on hold until jurisdiction is decided.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I'm not sure about that. As soon as a charge is made the case files are passed to defence lawyers. There may well be something within which could compromise one of the five trials which are on hold until jurisdiction is decided.

So why not charge MM at the same time?

 

[Pixie Child]

So why not charge MM at the same time?

If convicted for the 5, he’s looking at a sentence of what? 20 years? If convicted for murder, that’s another 20y, (possibly out in 2043 if he serves half).

They must feel that he will be most open to a deal in that period after conviction for the 5.

 

[Mex]

You don't know what investigators know either. Your arguments are all based on what you believe, not what you know. All I know is that a German prosecutor told the world that MM is dead and his suspect killed her. Three years have gone by and his suspect hasn't been charged. Until he is and his guilt is proved in the correct place; a court if law, the prosecutors words remain just that...words.

Of course I don’t know what the evidence held against the prime suspect CB. That is precisely as it should be in any live investigation.

What I do know is what I have provided the evidence for.

That is that confidential information regarding the investigation was released prematurely which set the ball rolling on the ensuing media circus. Until that point the investigation had been conducted with propriety and confidentiality.

The puzzlement I have, in conjunction with the opprobrium directed at the prosecutors is that MM’s case has spanned sixteen tears now. Investigators were given the information only at the ten year anniversary relevant to the beginning and now hopefully approaching the end of solving what happened to MM. Why have the three years when we found out about CB become of such great importance to some.
Why is that?

Has CB’s law team raised an official complaint about it and if not why not? and why with four serious cases very much in the defence's logjam is the concentration on a case which even if it is brought to court will be sixth in a queue.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If convicted for the 5, he’s looking at a sentence of what? 20 years? If convicted for murder, that’s another 20y, (possibly out in 2043 if he serves half).

They must feel that he will be most open to a deal in that period after conviction for the 5.

Okay, so you agree that the evidence against him in the MM case is not strong enough to charge and convict him?

 

[Mex]

So why not charge MM at the same time?

I have no idea. It may be that the other five cases pending are all serious but not as much as as the murder of a child for which CB is prime suspect.

 

[Mex]

Okay, so you agree that the evidence against him in the MM case is not strong enough to charge and convict him?

I know as much as you do about the evidence the BKA have regarding CB or that which prompted the PJ to constitute him arguido.
The difference is I am content to await due process taking place without stating any sort of vehement certainty which relies solely on opinion.

 

[Pixie Child]

Okay, so you agree that the evidence against him in the MM case is not strong enough to charge and convict him?

I think it may be strong enough to convict (2 confessions is probably enough evidence) but they will want to avoid an appeal, a retrial. They need to convince the McCanns and public also.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think it may be strong enough to convict (2 confessions is probably enough evidence) but they will want to avoid an appeal, a retrial. They need to convince the McCanns and public also.

As I mentioned earlier, we’ve discussed the bar room confession. Is there a good source for it? I think it’s misreporting and both confessions are one and same - to HB at Orgiva.

If this is the case, it’s the word of a human trafficker vs the word of sexual monster.

It’s not enough IMO.

 

[Janosch]

Why did BKA/HCW launch the appeal in June 3, 2020?

Do you thing BKA/MET/PJ are competing or collaborating to crack the case?