Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #2

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  1. Ellmau

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    Girl, 15, vanishes on Malaysian holiday


    ACTIVE SEARCH - Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #1
     
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    Please continue discussion of this case here.
     
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    Aug 12 2019
    British police join Gardai in search for Nora
    "Officers from the UK's National Crime Agency, Scotland Yard, and An Garda Síochána are believed to have joined the effort to find the teenager, Nora Quiorin, who has gone missing in Malaysia.

    The 15-year-old vanished from a rainforest resort- about 70 kilometres south of Malaysia's capital, Kuala Lumpur - over a week ago.

    With hundreds of people, including an elite police force, out daily looking for any trace of Nora Quiorin, there is still no indication of what happened to her."

    "Separately, The Lucie Blackman Trust ,which helps families of those missing abroad, said that they have received over 1,500 contacts from people offering help and support as well as anonymous alleged intelligence that needs to be verified and passed on to the relevant authorities."
     
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    Only posted that days old link for the poster/pic information, recent search numbers..
    Aug 12 2019
    Search for British teen enters 9th day | The Malaysian Insight
    "CLOSE to 300 search and rescue personnel have gone back into the Jeram Toi rainforest near Seremban, Negri Sembilan, as the search for missing British teenager Nora Anne Quoirin enters its ninth day."
     
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    I’m not sure anyone has done this, but with so much misinformation and recurring questions I thought a list of facts as reported by MSM may be helpful. Feel free to add or correct anything.

    1. Nora and her family (mother, father, brother and sister ages 8 and 12) arrived via taxi to the Dusun Resort on Saturday August 3, 2019. The taxi driver has been questioned by authorities. The resort is a 12-acre orchard complex in the foothills of the Titiwangsa mountains and sits next to the 4,000-acre Berembun Forest Reserve. It has a maximum capacity of 20 adults split across seven houses. The resort's "nearest neighbours" are two Temuan villages where most of its staff are from.

    2. They were staying in the Sora House on the resort grounds. Nora and her 2 siblings slept upstairs in a mezzanine type room which held 2 beds. Her parents slept downstairs.

    3. On Sunday, August 4th, 2019 at 8:00am Nora’s father alarmed the hotel owner that Nora was missing from her room and a window was propped open in the kitchen area. The window was downstairs underneath the mezzanine Nora was sleeping in. It is unclear if this window was open all night, or discovered open in the morning. Also unclear if window had locks and if it could be opened from the outside. The window is low to the ground (pictures attached). Nora was said to have been sleeping in undergarments and no clothing or belongings were missing from her room.

    4. The resort grounds were searched that Sunday and sniffer dogs picked up the girl's scent within 100 meters from her resort bedroom but the trail stopped there.
    Negri Sembilan deputy police chief SAC Che Zakaria Othman said “We are investigating more than that. We have all the relevant team roped in — the forensics, CID, K9 unit — not just the cops.”

    5. No evidence had been found to support that this was an abduction as of yet. Questions were raised about whether Nora wandered away from the resort via a huge gap in the fence after she disappeared, potentially widening the search area.
    Nora's passport and other belongings were still in her family's possession but the CCTV system at the resort only covered a limited area and did not capture Nora leaving the resort. Cops now believe Nora, who has holoprosencephaly — which means her brain is smaller than average — may have left her room through a ground floor window. Cops are investigating reports that Nora might have been spotted – as a “white woman” was apparently seen swimming in a river not far away, on Sunday afternoon.

    6. Searches widened to include the forested area surrounding the resort. Two dozen members of the VAT69 special police unit were brought in to aid a huge search operation. Search teams are combing hilly, boulder-filled areas in the jungle where Nora may still be alive and hiding.

    7. A spokeswoman for the Dunsun said hotel bosses were confused by Nora's disappearance. “Our resort has been operating for 10 years and we have never even been robbed," Haanim Bamadhaj said.

    8. Nora’s family disagrees that Nora left on her own and is insisting this is an abduction.
    They said Nora isn’t independent, has difficulty walking and has never wandered off on her own or become lost despite having been to other Asian and European countries before. In a previous statement they said: “All her life she has spent a lot of time in hospital. When she was born, she needed operations to help her (breathe).
    She has specialists that monitor her growth, her physical abilities and her strength, and especially her mental capacity. She is not like other teenagers. She is not independent and does not go anywhere alone. Nora likes to walk with her family, but her balance is limited and she struggles with co-ordination. She has been to Asia, and many European countries before, and has never wandered off or got lost.” One local who wished to remain anonymous said if Nora Anne had wandered off, she wouldn’t have gone too deep into the jungle as the hilly terrain would have served as a deterrent.
    Another said the lax security at the resort could mean an unknown individual was in the area. He pointed out that there were no security guards in the The Dusun or proper CCTVs to keep an eye on the surroundings, with the property easy to exit even if the main gate was locked.

    9. The search operation has so far included aerial searches, thermal detectors, sniffer dogs, indigenous trackers and elite commando forces. Rescuers on Friday also began playing voice recordings of the mother to try and draw the girl out as they combed the hilly forest terrain. Investigators have already questioned 20 people and said a forensic team was analysing fingerprints found in the cottage where the girl went missing.

    10. One anonymous patron of the hotel at the time of Nora’s disappearance gives a statement. The 22-year-old C. from Leiden tells her story anonymously and stayed at the same resort as the missing Nora Quoirin and her parents last weekend. She says that the family arrived later in the evening on Saturday and went to bed quite early. “I saw them playing outside for a while, but they went to bed already at 10 p.m. They suffered from jet lag. It seems likely to me that the girl was wide awake that night and decided to go out.” But, C. also says, on the evening of the disappearance she and her companion also heard suspicious noises. “We heard rustling at the pool where their house was upstairs. But yes, we are in the jungle and could not see for ourselves. Moreover, everything here makes a rather scary sound, so it could have been anything.”

    11. Footprints were found that were thought to be Nora’s but police deny this claim. Fire and rescue officials said her footprints had been found by sniffer dogs but police have denied that claim Ahmad Mukhlis Mokhtar of Malaysia's fire and rescue department told local media that that 'our detective canines had spotted footprints' which he believed to belong to Nora because the sniffer dogs were following her scent. However police denied the footprint finding at a press conference later on Friday, leaving the search in confusion amid fears it will be hampered by bad weather.

    12. The investigation continues. Police are investigating all angles, including reports that villagers heard the sound of a truck early on the morning the girl was reported missing. Detectives have searched the homes of staff working on the resort and have interviewed the taxi driver who picked up the family from Kuala Lumpur Airport last week. Investigators from Malaysia’s Bukit Aman — the country’s equivalent of the FBI — are also investigating known paedophiles and other criminals in the holiday resort.

    Police insist missing Irish teen still in jungle, despite Orang Asli community claiming otherwise | Malay Mail


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    Thank you for the wonderful summary :) The denial of the footprints is odd. I wish they have said why/ updated- something! And now she was in a nightdress... this reporting makes my head hurt
     
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    Hopefully they find her today

    Poor family.
     
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    Maybe "she was dressed for the night" was transformed into "nightdress"? moo
     
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    Thank you for a Summary. Just to add

    ... The police doing the things in No. 4 came only after international media covered it & IMHO might be too late as sniffer dogs were brought in only a few days after, and forensics on the house a few days after that! (Correct me if I'm wrong)... It might have missed the "golden hours" that Jim Gamble talked about. The golden hours when chances of finding the person are high. IF there was an abduction, like what the family said, the delayed rolling out of actions, one day after another (instead of a quick response).... by the time each action was done, traces have gone.

    ... About the Dutch tourist, just adding on that the tourist said the NQ's father was "angry" because he had called their police at 8a.m. to say there was abduction and after more than three hours, the police had not come. (This is not surprising - check Ps Raymond Koh's vanishing & rate of unsolved crimes). According to the Dutch tourist, the reception even told him the police wouldn't come unless they went to police & he shouted, "Crime happened here!" And when they finally came, they didn't do what the family expected them to do.
     
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    The truck makes me feel it’s abduction to order, again as I said before, planned

    But I don’t understand how abductors would think it would go to plan. What if when they arrived she was sleeping in or beside mum. What would they have done then?

    Is she targeted because if special needs? Does this make a girl easier to control ( yuk, can’t believe I have to think this way) bit is it some sort of new paedophile fantasy? Disabled children being used. Horrific but maybe they are desired
     
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    I hope we gain more clarity now British / Irish agencies are involved & it leads to Nora being found safe. I genuinely think she has been abducted & hope and pray she’s still alive. I also think the Malay police are playing down the abduction theory as it would be too damaging to their tourist industry & with all the time wasted searching the forest their own reputation. Too many inconsistencies, All my own opinion.
     
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    Good idea to use tracker dogs & forensics Science to check all vehicles used by staff/guests/even the people living near the area... But I'm concerned it's too late if the police had not :(
     
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    What if it was revenge on grandpa. He is a mayor so maybe some controversy is happening?

    Not victim blaming at all. Just throwing random ideas out there. I have no clue.
     
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    I agree alarm bells were ringing when the tracker dogs only tracked Nora’s scent to 100 metres from her chalet, to me that suggests she never made the forest....more likely the carpark. I don’t think the Malay police considered the case would get so much worldwide media attention or that British/Irish agencies would become involved. I think they should have focused their manpower within the resort area first before the open forest, I feel that if did they would have been a lot closer to finding out what happened to Nora :(
     
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    Finally
     
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    Venizy is a very small town ( I would call it a village ) of less than 1,000 inhabitants. Never say never, but I would have it low down on my list of possibles.
     
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