MD MD - Woodlawn, WhtFem 279UFMD, 15-25, near cemetery, 'JP' Tattoo, Sep'76

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  1. BigKeyManatee

    BigKeyManatee Active Member

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    Police Seek Clues About Woodlawn 'Jane Doe'
    Found this from Patch.com. It has color pics of her shoes and the seed bags.
    I think the Doe was wearing Earth Shoes.
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    • General Context: Prior to 1975 or so Earth Shoes were very trendy with the health conscience or academic hippie types. These shoes were Danish imports, so not inexpensive. For a supposed quality shoe, they didn’t wear well. Not something that would be desirable to buy secondhand, as they were not an attractive shoe even when new.
    • Social/Economic Context: Wearing Earth Shoes was an anti-fashion choice. They were a statement signaling the wearer’s desired social consciousness image or aspirations. Common on college campuses, not so much in working class neighborhoods.
    Why no laces? Maybe she was admitted to a psychiatric hospital and they were removed as a precaution. She left the facility under duress and the laces were overlooked.
    All my opinions only.
    Just How Big Were Earth Shoes In The '70s?
     
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    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, she wore Earth Shoes, I always thought that it was ‘Earth’ because of the brown color, not because it was the actual name of it.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I used to have a pair of those. They had a funky uneven sole that supposedly replicated the motion of a bare foot on soft ground. I think I wore them for maybe two or three weeks before the odd motion made my Achilles tendon cry for mercy...
     
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    Those tattoos of hers are musical note symbols.
     
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    I Wonder if shes the next one to get her name back this year?
     
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    I wish I could see notes....or letters, or numbers, or anything.
    Like @carbuff says, they look like color-blindness tests and I ain’t passing.
     
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    What sort of notes?
     
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    I wonder if WLJD had some sort of sign on the muscles of her feet that could indicate if she wore them frequently.
     
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    Yeah...I need to have that deleted. :eek:

    I spent a lot more time adjusting the tattoo and found this...
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    H_ <3 PATSY
    JP

    (Assuming) John <3 Patsy in small writing
    JP initials

    If this is a "Patsy" then, perhaps it is this Patricia?
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    Patricia Jane Seelbaugh, 17
    DLC: October 26, 1973
    Grove City, Pennsylvania
    Black hair, Hazel eyes, 5' tall, 98 lbs.

    Patricia Seeleman.jpg
     
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    This enhancement is SO helpful; thanks @coffeeandacig!

    I can finally see the initials JP in outline, and at first glance they look like a logo.
    There was some thought that they could represent Jamaica Plain, a neighborhood near the Boston Arboretum where she, and the pollen on her clothing may have originated.
    I don’t know enough about what that neighborhood was like in the 70’s to offer any insight into this possibility. Maybe Boston-based folks could weigh in?

    Trying to think what a young person back then would be tempted to embellish their bodies with: their ethnicity, neighborhood, family, romantic love, music, or sports teams?
    JP =Jimmy Page? Jaco Pastorius?......(my fave, but probably neither).
    Defaulting to JP as a love interest.

    The enhancement does show the possibility of other letters and symbols and Coffee’s analysis with the name “Patsy” is intriguing.
    I considered for one hot second that it could say just “Pats” in reference to the New England Patriots, but have ruled that out.

    IMO Patricia Jane Seelbaugh picture looks close to the Doe’s, but not amazingly so. Patricia Jane was a tiny girl, 5’ tall and not even 100 lbs, while Woodlawn Doe was robust, measured at 5’8” and 158 lbs.

    I don’t think Patricia Jane Seelbaugh is Woodlawn Doe, but appreciate all interest in this case. Hoping that familial DNA will return her name.
     
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    Mireille Well-Known Member

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    Brilliant work @coffeeandacig
    Does it say "Forever" underneath?

    Wonder if Patricia M Laemmerhirt was ever excluded. She went missing in April in 1976 from New York
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    Here’s Ms. Laemmerhirt’s NamUs file
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    She is not listed among the comparisons for Woodlawn Doe:
    MP11819 Bertha Smith 06/01/1944 Maricopa AZ
    MP7259 Betty Roberts 11/06/1959 Baltimore MD
    MP7034 Beverly Sharpman 09/11/1947 Philadelphia PA
    MP25211 Edna Kaminski 08/01/1944 Queens NY
    MP8609 Floradean Walker 01/01/1951 Menard TX
    MP21890 Helen Stark 01/12/1946 Milwaukee WI
    MP909 Jennifer Barton 05/16/1976 Travis TX
    MP27783 Olga Mauger 09/17/1934 Fremont WY
    MP4613 Rhonda Labbe 08/07/1974 Essex MA
    MP27078 Thelma Cobb 01/01/1946 Knox IN

    I believe that this MP is too petite to match this Doe, but then again they’ve got rule outs on this list where the MP was last seen in 1934, so...
     
  13. Mireille

    Mireille Well-Known Member

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    For some reason I expected to see Gluckert on this list as well. o_O I thought she had been excluded.
     
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    This quote is from an article or the Jane Doe page earlier in the thread, sorry if it is repetitive, but did anything more come of it: "In 2016, authorities announced that they had a potential identity for the victim, as a girl that went by "Jasmine" or "Jassy" that had emmigrated from either Puerto Rico or Colombia with her family to Massachusetts. The family may have lived on "Forbes Street" in Jamaica Plain, Boston, Massachusetts, which may represent the tattooed letters on the victim. Due to the fact that the family cannot be located, the investigation has stalled." If this was the identity of the JD, it sounds like it would be all about finding her family? Hopefully.
     
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  15. Mireille

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    I just...don't know why a young girl would tattoo a placename on her body.
    It is a multitude of other things a young woman would tattoo on her body than the place she resides.

    Then again, the world is bizarre. I just find the reasoning for it a little bit odd.
     
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    Yes, some major differences for sure. I hope too re. familial DNA.
     
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    About Jamaica Plain: Jamaica Plain

    It's kind of hard to describe. It's one of Boston's largest neighborhoods. A mainly urban residential area, popular with people who work in Boston and take public transportation to and from work. Large (very large) Latino community. Quite a few seniors live there because of the reasonable price for housing. Lots of parks and public areas, like the Arboretum and Franklin Park. Parts of it are pretty slummy but parts of it are really nice.

    It tends to get looked down on by other parts of Boston.

    I've never lived there, only visited. I think a couple of people in this thread live there and maybe have more information.
     
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    Yes. And from what's been said in local news from time to time, they are trying to find the family.

    For a while I was wondering whether a whole family disappearing might have something to do with Terry Rasmussen, but I think he was in Texas then.
     
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    Wow, they do resemble each other, their faces, shoes, clothing and jewelry choices..
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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    Barbara is more petite and has a fairer complexion.

    When NCMEC aired the update for Woodlawn Doe on YouTube Barbara’s name was mentioned in the comments. Maybe she was excluded and NamUs hasn’t updated their comparisons list?
     
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    JP is more than just a place. It's like an identity for some of the groups who live there.
     

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