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  1. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    I wish I could see the pink nightgown, but I think if it had been laundered post-blood spatter, that would be very easy to figure out.

    I believe the pillow was taken into evidence.

    And I'm confused about how you're tying those bloodstains to the night of the crime. Patsy herself can't say whether there were already bloodstains, claims JonBenet picked her nose and sometimes had nosebleeds. We know the housekeeper hadn't been around for a week. Patsy doesn't seem to remember changing the sheets or pillowcases. How do you know the nosebleed theory isn't correct?

    Anyway, the sheets and the pillowcases are in evidence and apparently didn't help to solve this crime. JonBenet had no bleeding head wounds (external). Seems to me that Steve Thomas or Kolar would have been onto this. At any rate, unless the blood pattern is consistent with an injury to JonBenet (are you thinking the vaginal injury caused bleeding onto the pillow?)

    But my main question is: which wine cellar item had Burke's DNA (aside from the presents that he apparently admitted he snooped - they were his birthday presents, IIRC)?
     
  2. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    Here is the nightgown:
    SILENT NIGHT
    I’ve been thinking about how the blood got on the front of her nightgown like this and it makes sense IMO that the droplets would/could have happened when she was hit over the head and bled from her nose.

    PR did make this statement which was odd about the curtains tie back behind JB bed:
    12 TRIP DEMUTH: Let me ask you about this in
    13 125.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: That is the (inaudible).

    15 TRIP DEMUTH: Is that unusual to be hanging

    16 over the door?

    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. Usually they are kind

    18 of tucked back.

    19 TRIP DEMUTH: Five and four.

    20 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.

    21 TOM HANEY: That is the material that pulls

    22 the drapery, it pulls it back.

    23 PATSY RAMSEY: Right. I don't see any blood

    24 or anything, do you?

    BR touch dna found on the Barbie nightgown:
    https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...481227870087/SCAN_20161101_181832293_005.jpeg
     
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  3. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    UKGuy,
    I wonder if we know if the pillow on the breakfast bar is the one which had JB blood on it. Since JR and PR were questioned about the box of tissue on the table; then perhaps she was hit on the head there. Possibly it was all over BR losing it over JB putting her fingers in his bowl.
    It is interesting that Interview went like this:


    He knew what happened.
    SS overheard Burke and Doug talk about whether the strangulation was manual or not on the day of the memorial.
    Wouldn’t it be nice if BR came clean!
     
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  4. Beltonian

    Beltonian Well-Known Member

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    Watched video...Interesting how Burke shows no emotions and even being chipper recalling death of his sister and his love for video games and going on with his life...But again, I think he was/is in the spectrum so it is probably normal to express his feelings this way... What he felt inside I wish we knew...
    On the last video with Dr Phil he sure looks like he put on weight compare to his teenage self...he looks so much like Patsy...
     
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  5. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    Yes, he does look like Patsy. What I found most interesting of all was the mention of the knife, somebody hitting her on the head and the discussion with DS and the manner of strangulation.
    I researched autism and that lead me to ODD. I personally wouldn’t be surprised if he falls into this spectrum. It seems to fit according to the accounts of his behavior from what I have read.
    The story doesn’t add up either about the kids seeing a therapist because of PR cancer. They were not that. Just more stories they fabricated.
     
  6. BuySellTrade

    BuySellTrade Well-Known Member

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    IMO what is likely is that BR caused the apparently mortal or at least major incapacitating head would to JB and PR went into a disorganized cover up spiral that included the garotte to end JBs life. Why? To save her remaining child.

    JR knows what happened. He woke to find PR's bizarre attempt at cover up and managed that as best he could to save his wife and son. One could say JR was successful.
     
  7. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (JonBenet's Bedroom)
    0244
    12 LOU SMIT: I'll hold that up to the camera.
    13 Okay. This here that I'm going to show you now,
    14 John, during the kidnap phase of this there was
    15 some photographs taken, and I'm sure this is
    16 probably the very first time you've been shown
    17 many photographs (INAUDIBLE).
    18 And we're doing this for a couple of reasons. And
    19 the police are right, you shouldn't show the
    20 photographs in an ongoing investigation. But you
    21 can show photographs, and I feel that they should
    22 be shown because I would like to know. You know
    23 your house better than anyone. These are
    24 photographs that were taken at a time you hadn't
    25 even found JonBenet's body yet.
    0245
    1 We can't spend a whole great length of time on
    2 this, but I would like to spend some time. And I'd
    3 like you to just look at the photographs and see
    4 if you can see anything that's out of place that
    5 don't belong there. Something that may have been
    6 taken that's missing. Or something that the killer
    7 may have left in the house.
    8 A lot of time they'll take things out, but you
    9 just don't remember what it is because you haven't
    10 taken the photographs, you don't know that.
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
    12 LOU SMIT: And that's why, I know my others
    13 have discussed this, we decided to show
    14 photographs of the scene at this time. And I've
    15 got too let you know that the police department
    16 did go along with this. So they're not -- I know
    17 that there's hard feelings on this. I just want to
    18 let you know that.
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, as I said earlier, if
    20 we're wrong, we owe a lot of apologies.
    21 LOU SMIT: I know. I know. Well, I'm just
    22 going to -- Mr. Morgan, you can look at it as
    23 well. If you see something that you don't
    24 understand or something that looks out of place,
    25 we'll take notes of this.
    0246
    1 JOHN RAMSEY: That is.
    2 LOU SMIT: He's pointing to photograph two
    3 (INAUDIBLE).
    4 JOHN RAMSEY: This photograph two, is
    5 (INAUDIBLE) her bed. I don't know where her pillow
    6 is. I mean the pillow on her bed.
     
  8. ChicagoKate

    ChicagoKate New Member

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    I am three degrees from the case and this coincides with what I've been told.

     
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  9. Swirlz

    Swirlz Well-Known Member

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    The cause of death was asphyxiation. In the pics, the rope is embedded so deep into JonBenet's neck, that it isn't visible. Deep furrows from where the ligature was tied, encircle her entire neck. Her pubic area was wiped and her underpants were replaced.

    This is a lot of effort to go to just to convince a 9 yr. old kid he was innocent.
     
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  10. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    You know sometimes you have light bulb moments. This was a one for me:

    If looks could kill. I have experienced this in my own life by my mother. Now it makes sense why Detective Arndt said what she did about her gun.
     
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  11. Curiositie

    Curiositie Active Member

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    IMO
    I think Burke did it. In the video above he seems fine that his sister died. I know he is not a typical kid, he is absolutely different, but sometimes he is normal. He says normal things....like when that guy showed him the bowl of pineapple and he acted like he didn't know what it was, or like when he told that woman he wouldn't tell her a secret. He knows when to lie - he isn't stupid for sure.
    The thing that convinced me was when she asked him what he thinks happened to her - all that seems like what actually happened. That someone (him) took her downstairs really quietly and then hit her on the head. Literally that is what happened. Would John and Patsy gotten that graphic with him about what happened and told him details? I don't know. But it seems unlikely.
    The 'moving on' thing seems as if that would be something John would tell him to do, though....because that is what it seems like John has done. It was said that in the past Burke had hit Jonbenet, so the possibility of it happening again seems very likely. I believe for sure it was someone who was really mad at her because of the force of the head wound. No one would do that unless there was anger behind it. Maybe he had never liked her, felt jealous, always wanted her gone? Maybe he was up having a snack with her and the anger just built more and more out of nowhere? I absolutely believe for sure it was someone in that house that killed her. The fact that the house was so contaminated was the key in it being unsolved. Lord only knows how they themselves contaminated it before it was even reported.
    ((The one element I hope didn't happen was the sexual abuse while she was alive. I mean it was bad enough the poor kid died in her home on Christmas and to have to take photos and be 'pretty' all the time for her mom, but to have also had to go through that as well throughout her life? I think something was going on in that house - because why else would she have still been wetting the bed? But I really hope it wasn't that....if it were then again it would've had to have been her dad or her brother. Sick! ))
    I don't think Patsy went to bed - the not changing her clothes was a clue. Maybe she fixed the snack for the both of them and then they went down to play and then it happened?
    Afterwards I think the parents staged it because they already knew Burke was responsible. I think they told him to stay in bed and not say a single word, hence him saying he was in bed and stayed there.
    I believe there is a little bit of truth in every lie.
     
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  12. Malignus666

    Malignus666 New Member

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    I KNOW WHO KILLED JONBENÉT!!!
    IT WAS HIS BROTHER BURKE RAMSEY AND A FRIEND OF HIS!!!
    THEY WERE AFTER JONBENET AND BURKE'S FATHER JOHN
    HIS FRIEND LIVED NEXT TO HIM, AND WENT THERE AT NIGHT WITH THAT FLASHLIGHT
    THEY JUST WANTED THE MONEY, BECAUSE BURKE THOUGHT HIS PARENTS GAVE EVERYTHING TO JONBENÉT AND NOTHING TO HIM
    THE LETTER IS CLEAR.. "TWO GENTLEMEN WHO IS WATCHING YOUR DAUGHTER DO NOT PARTICULARLY LIKE"
    LETTER IS RIDICULOUS AND WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN BY A KID WHO PRETENDING TO BE A BAD ASS KIDNAPPER BUT USED ONLY 80'S MOVIES CLICHES ON IT!

    VICTORY TO FIND THE MURDERER!
     
  13. Nat_Cat9794

    Nat_Cat9794 New Member

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    Nat_Cat9794's THEORIES AND OPINIONS:
    So I have heard about this story since I was a kid. I've heard everything from the parents and family being involved to a family friend (I even think at one point the family's priest might've been accused but then again that could've been a fever dream). Anyway, I have a list of things that have bugged me about this case and I would like to share for further thoughts:
    1. Crime Scene Fiasco: PD gets a phone call, Patsy Ramsey is the caller and is in hysterics (honestly after listening to her phone call, she was way to calm after finding out her daughter had been kidnapped but again this is only my opinion). She's calling that her daughter is missing, there's a kidnapping, they can't find their daughter and that there's a note. Police come and investigate, search the house, and sadly find her in the basement. What bugs me the most about this part is (after watching the news story and numerous others) most of them have said that crime scene had been "tainted" by John Ramsey (the father) after HE found her in the basement (a cop had told him to search the house, the first thing he did was go to the basement).
    2. Ransom "Note": I use the term "note" very loosely in this part because after seeing it in the news story, it's more of an instruction manual of what to do. IF you're kidnapping a kid, with the parents home asleep, you want to be in and out quickly otherwise the kid will wake up and start sounding the alarm. You don't have time to write an essay on "how to get your daughter back alive". It's just not right, AND another red flag is that the paper came from Patsy's (?) personal stationary.
    3. Injuries: Now from what I have found (and what I could tell) this poor child was strangled, hit on the head with blunt force (either flashlight/bat, but I think it could've been from one of her pageant trophies but that's just me) and was assaulted. If I remember correctly, they did run tests from DNA that they found on JonBenet but I don't think anything came back from it.
    4. Suspects: Now, obviously the first suspects were the parents and her brother. Honestly, to this day, I think the brother did have something to do with it. I think even though he was the older brother, he was jealous of his sister because she got a lot of attention (mainly her mom and dad, even though he didn't even like JonBenet doing the pageants). Think about it, his room is probably right next to (if not right down the hall from) JonBenet's room. If mom and dad see or hear him get up in the night, they're not going to question their son why he's up.
    That's all I have so far. It's sad that it's been over 20 years (give or take) and I don't even think it's been solved or anywhere close. Again, these are just theories and opinions so please don't take them too seriously. I hope that one day they will solve this and JonBenet will be able to rest.
     
  14. Nat_Cat9794

    Nat_Cat9794 New Member

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    I did notice that the handwriting on the ransom "note" seemed a bit to young to be an adult's handwriting. Nice catch
     
  15. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    Yet, according to the handwriting experts it was written by a nurturer. The note was most likely written by PR. It could have been by her own directive or that of JR (you will do this). Many secrets inside that house, obviously.
     
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    kay74 Well-Known Member

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    If this had been really investigated right away, instead of pointing at the parents, this would have been solved right away. Someone was in that house. Doors left unlocked. window open, window broken, near a busy area. The Ramsey's only crime was NOT securing the house when they left...………….
     
  17. Subjectzoo52660

    Subjectzoo52660 New Member

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    It seems apparent that the only way blood drops could be outside on the sidewalk, street level, is if he was attacked outside. Before entering the view of the camera. Because if he had stumbled outside and then returned it would have been seen on camera, same as if an attacker had stabbed him inside and then left, dripping blood on the way out. I am fairly certain that his wounds happened before getting home, and the process of entering his house continued to exasperate the injuries. Until he succumbed to them.
     
  18. mc88

    mc88 New Member

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    Well this is just wholly innacurate.

    The Ramseys themselves said the house was completely locked up when they went to bed.

    John Ramsey admits he broke the basement window.

    There is a lot if discrepancy as to whether the basement window was open or not.

    The only sign that someone may have tried to get into that house was pry marks near one of the kitchen doors, which Patsy showed to someone months before the murder.
     
  19. Swirlz

    Swirlz Well-Known Member

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    Do you know who she showed them to? Thanks.
     

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