GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #4

[BetteDavisEyes]

Tentative sentencing hearing scheduled for Oxford High shooter

Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley will remain in the Oakland County Jail and his sentencing hearing was tentatively scheduled for June 2.

www.detroitnews.com

Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley will remain in the Oakland County Jail and his sentencing hearing was tentatively scheduled for June 2 at a virtual hearing Friday morning before Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Kwame Rowe.

The Miller hearing, which must take place before sentencing a juvenile to life without parole, will take place in person at 9 a.m. once the prosecutors confirm that June 2 works for them, Rowe said.

Crumbley pleaded guilty to 24 criminal charges in October, including terrorism causing death and first-degree murder. Both of these charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison and the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office has previously stated that they plan to seek the maximum sentence of life without parole...

 

[ilovewings]

Tentative sentencing hearing scheduled for Oxford High shooter

Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley will remain in the Oakland County Jail and his sentencing hearing was tentatively scheduled for June 2.

www.detroitnews.com

Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley will remain in the Oakland County Jail and his sentencing hearing was tentatively scheduled for June 2 at a virtual hearing Friday morning before Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Kwame Rowe.

The Miller hearing, which must take place before sentencing a juvenile to life without parole, will take place in person at 9 a.m. once the prosecutors confirm that June 2 works for them, Rowe said.

Crumbley pleaded guilty to 24 criminal charges in October, including terrorism causing death and first-degree murder. Both of these charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison and the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office has previously stated that they plan to seek the maximum sentence of life without parole...

I anticipate that the judge will not agree to a sentence of life without parole for a minor.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Attorneys argue: Was risk to Oxford students the same before, after school's meeting with shooter?

Attorneys for Oxford schools want a judge to dismiss 10 lawsuits that say the district failed to protect students.

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Detroit — Attorneys for Oxford schools want a federal judge to dismiss 10 lawsuits alleging the district failed to protect students and downplayed the threat Ethan Crumbley posed to the school.

For U.S. District Court Judge Mark Goldsmith to deny the district's motion and move forward with the case, the attorneys for Oxford students and their families have to prove the district took actions that created or increased the danger Crumbley posed to students and teachers. This is what's needed in order to overcome the protections of governmental immunity...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Michigan Court of Appeals upholds manslaughter charges against Crumbleys

A 3-judge panel ruled the involuntary manslaughter case against James and Jennifer Crumbley can proceed.

www.detroitnews.com

A three-judge panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled there was enough evidence to send the involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to trial.

The ruling released Thursday means the four charges each against James and Jennifer Crumbley will proceed in Oakland County Circuit Court.

Judges Christopher Murray, Michael Riordan and Christopher Yates heard oral arguments earlier this month after the Crumbleys attorneys appealed the case to both the Court of Appeals and the Michigan Supreme Court, arguing there was not enough evidence to send the case to trial.

The question they had to answer was if the Crumbleys had enough information that the shooting was foreseeable...

Awesome news!

 

[ilovewings]

Michigan Court of Appeals upholds manslaughter charges against Crumbleys

A 3-judge panel ruled the involuntary manslaughter case against James and Jennifer Crumbley can proceed.

www.detroitnews.com

I am kinda surprised but pleased.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Appeals court affirms parents of Oxford shooter can go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges

The Michigan Court of Appeals has affirmed that the parents of the Oxford High School shooter can go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges.

www.clickondetroit.com

OAKLAND COUNTY, Mich. – The Michigan Court of Appeals has affirmed that the parents of the Oxford High School shooter can go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges.

James and Jennifer Crumbley are both facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter after their son opened fire inside Oxford High School in November 2021, killing four students and injuring many others...

 

[WingsOverTX]

Michigan Court of Appeals upholds manslaughter charges against Crumbleys

A 3-judge panel ruled the involuntary manslaughter case against James and Jennifer Crumbley can proceed.

www.detroitnews.com

A three-judge panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled there was enough evidence to send the involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to trial.

The ruling released Thursday means the four charges each against James and Jennifer Crumbley will proceed in Oakland County Circuit Court.

Judges Christopher Murray, Michael Riordan and Christopher Yates heard oral arguments earlier this month after the Crumbleys attorneys appealed the case to both the Court of Appeals and the Michigan Supreme Court, arguing there was not enough evidence to send the case to trial.

The question they had to answer was if the Crumbleys had enough information that the shooting was foreseeable...

Awesome news!

That's great. But I am surprised. Forseeability was quite a challenge to overcome in that hearing. I'm glad their case will proceed to trial.
MOO

 

[orangesandapples]

I anticipate that the judge will not agree to a sentence of life without parole for a minor.

Michigan has established 'rebuttable presumption' for juvenile LWOP, meaning essentially that a court must “start from the premise that the juvenile defendant before them, like most juveniles, has engaged in criminality because of transient immaturity, not irreparable corruption”. It is then up to the prosecution to prove that this juvenile is different and LWOP is appropriate. Youth is also always a mitigating factor in Michigan, and there are currently only 300 juveniles serving LWOP there. Additionally, there are bills moving through both the House and the Senate that would have Michigan join the 27 other states that have banned juvenile LWOP so I believe you are correct. These types of cases draw a lot of attention and scrutiny though, so it could possibly go a different way.

 

[Sundog]

Michigan Court of Appeals upholds manslaughter charges against Crumbleys

A 3-judge panel ruled the involuntary manslaughter case against James and Jennifer Crumbley can proceed.

www.detroitnews.com

A three-judge panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled there was enough evidence to send the involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to trial.

The ruling released Thursday means the four charges each against James and Jennifer Crumbley will proceed in Oakland County Circuit Court.

Judges Christopher Murray, Michael Riordan and Christopher Yates heard oral arguments earlier this month after the Crumbleys attorneys appealed the case to both the Court of Appeals and the Michigan Supreme Court, arguing there was not enough evidence to send the case to trial.

The question they had to answer was if the Crumbleys had enough information that the shooting was foreseeable...

Awesome news!

Trying to track the appeals process.

IIRC, the Michigan Supreme Court sent the case back to the Court of Appeals instructing them to hear the case. So now the Court of Appeals has issued their ruling. Will the attorneys for the Crumbley parents now appeal the ruling of the Court of Appels to the Michigan Supreme Court?


Edited to add link to article that explains that the Michigan Supreme Court merely delayed the Crumbley parents' trial so that their appeal to the Court of Appeals could be heard. Now that the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled that the case can go to trial, I assume that further appeals will take place after a trial, not before. But I do think there will be additional appeals due to the precedent this case could set.

Michigan court delays trial for Ethan Crumbley's parents after appeal

The criminal trial of James and Jennifer Crumbley, parents of Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley, was postponed following an appeal by the defendants.

www.foxnews.com

 

[WingsOverTX]

Michigan has established 'rebuttable presumption' for juvenile LWOP, meaning essentially that a court must “start from the premise that the juvenile defendant before them, like most juveniles, has engaged in criminality because of transient immaturity, not irreparable corruption”. It is then up to the prosecution to prove that this juvenile is different and LWOP is appropriate. Youth is also always a mitigating factor in Michigan, and there are currently only 300 juveniles serving LWOP there. Additionally, there are bills moving through both the House and the Senate that would have Michigan join the 27 other states that have banned juvenile LWOP so I believe you are correct. These types of cases draw a lot of attention and scrutiny though, so it could possibly go a different way.

Thank you for that analysis. It helps me understand better what's at stake beyond just this case.

 

[JerseyGirl]

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165609752/oxford-high-school-shooter-parents-trial-michigan

Michigan school shooter's parents can face trial for manslaughter, court rules​

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Michigan school shooter’s parents will stand trial on manslaughter charges

The state appeals court said the murders wouldn’t have happened had the parents not bought a gun for their son or if they had taken him home school on the day of the shooting.

www.nbcnews.com

DETROIT — The parents of a teenager who killed four students at a Michigan high school can face trial for involuntary manslaughter, the state appeals court said Thursday in a groundbreaking case of criminal responsibility for the acts of a child.

The murders would not have happened if the parents hadn’t purchased a gun for Ethan Crumbley or if they had taken him home from Oxford High School on the day of the shooting, when staff became alarmed about his extreme drawings, the appeals court said.

The court noted that the legal threshold at this stage of the case is fairly low under Michigan law.

“Whether a jury actually finds that causation has been proven after a full trial, where the record will almost surely be more expansive — including evidence produced by defendants — is an issue separate from what we decide today,” the court said in a 3-0 opinion...

 

[ilovewings]

Michigan has established 'rebuttable presumption' for juvenile LWOP, meaning essentially that a court must “start from the premise that the juvenile defendant before them, like most juveniles, has engaged in criminality because of transient immaturity, not irreparable corruption”. It is then up to the prosecution to prove that this juvenile is different and LWOP is appropriate. Youth is also always a mitigating factor in Michigan, and there are currently only 300 juveniles serving LWOP there. Additionally, there are bills moving through both the House and the Senate that would have Michigan join the 27 other states that have banned juvenile LWOP so I believe you are correct. These types of cases draw a lot of attention and scrutiny though, so it could possibly go a different way.

Thanks for a very informative post!!!

 

[Chelly]

Appeals court affirms parents of Oxford shooter can go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges

The Michigan Court of Appeals has affirmed that the parents of the Oxford High School shooter can go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges.

www.clickondetroit.com

OAKLAND COUNTY, Mich. – The Michigan Court of Appeals has affirmed that the parents of the Oxford High School shooter can go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges.

James and Jennifer Crumbley are both facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter after their son opened fire inside Oxford High School in November 2021, killing four students and injuring many others...

Good. This is all about responsibility and courts taking the step in right direction. MOO

 

[ilovewings]

Good. This is all about responsibility and courts taking the step in right direction. MOO

I believe this is a precedent setting case- which should send a message to other parents-- be on notice- you bear some responsibility when your children kill people: if you give them access to a gun, or you actually give a child a gun who has exhibited some form of pathology, you are now on notice---

 

[MrsWatson]

New info.

New Oxford shooting detail: Killer texted mom 'I love you' 10 minutes before attack

The Michigan Court of Appeals disclosed new details about the Oxford school shooting that left four students dead.

eu.freep.com

In its 17-page opinion, which concluded that prosecutors presented enough evidence to try James and Jennifer Crumbley on involuntary manslaughter charges, the appeals court included new information about the gun that was used in the shooting, text messages between the shooter and his mom, and the actions of his dad on the day of the shooting.
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The safe had a three-digit combination lock, which was set as “000,” and contained James Crumbley’s other two guns. All of the gun locks found in the house were still in their original packaging.
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Mom texts son 10 minutes before shooting​

After leaving the school, Jennifer Crumbley went to work. At 12:21 p.m., Jennifer Crumbley texted her son at school to ask whether he was OK.

"(You) know you can talk to us and we won’t judge,” the mom texted.

Ethan Crumbley replied: “IK thank you. I’m sorry for that. I love you.”

Almost 10 minutes after sending that message, Ethan Crumbley went into a bathroom with his backpack, came out with the gun his parents had bought him and opened fire.

 

[MrsWatson]

I understand now the strong language the prosecutor used in the press conferences about charging the parents.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2023/03/23/court-ruling-in-oxford-shooting-case-sets-bar-for-parental-liability-experts/70041626007/

The Michigan Court of Appeals explored new legal ground when a three-judge panel affirmed Thursday that there was enough evidence for the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to stand trial on involuntary manslaughter charges, legal experts said.

The ruling promises to set a bar for holding parents legally liable when their children commit a crime, two attorneys said, and is likely to end up before the Michigan Supreme Court. They said it is a decision that is being followed closely by parents and defense lawyers alike for its impact on future criminal cases.

In a unanimous opinion released Thursday, Court of Appeals Judge Christopher Murray wrote it was not an abuse of discretion for Oakland County District Judge Julie Nicholson to conclude there was enough evidence to send James and Jennifer Crumbley to trial on four counts each of involuntary manslaughter. The charges are tied to the four Oxford High School students killed in the Nov. 30, 2021, mass shooting by Ethan Crumbley, who pleaded guilty in October to their deaths and awaits sentencing...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Here’s the text message timeline between Oxford shooter, parents, friend leading up to shooting

In its decision to uphold a ruling that sends the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges, the Michigan Court of Appeals laid out specific details that give more insight into events that preceded the shooting.

www.clickondetroit.com

In its decision to uphold a ruling that sends the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges, the Michigan Court of Appeals laid out specific details that give more insight into events that preceded the shooting.

Since the fatal mass shooting at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021, and the subsequent charges issued against the now-convicted shooter and his parents, much evidence from the case has become public through numerous court hearings and news briefings. Prosecutors have used such evidence to argue that the shooter’s parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, played a role in the shooting by failing to take steps that might have prevented it...

 

[abeaman02]

Michigan Court of Appeals upholds manslaughter charges against Crumbleys

A 3-judge panel ruled the involuntary manslaughter case against James and Jennifer Crumbley can proceed.

www.detroitnews.com

A three-judge panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled there was enough evidence to send the involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter to trial.

The ruling released Thursday means the four charges each against James and Jennifer Crumbley will proceed in Oakland County Circuit Court.

Judges Christopher Murray, Michael Riordan and Christopher Yates heard oral arguments earlier this month after the Crumbleys attorneys appealed the case to both the Court of Appeals and the Michigan Supreme Court, arguing there was not enough evidence to send the case to trial.

The question they had to answer was if the Crumbleys had enough information that the shooting was foreseeable...

Awesome news!

That is great news. I understand that in some cases parents may not realize the severity of the issues their children are going through, but in this case there was obvious neglect. I live in Lake Orion which is the sister school and sister city to Oxford. I would never speak of anything that was not MSM approved, but there are many reasons that cannot be shared why this is an excellent ruling. My daughter has many friends at Oxford Schools and was devasted by what happened. She is now at Michigan State and had to endure what happened Febuary 13th. She should not have to go through this once, let alone twice. Justice for all involved in the shooting at Oxford