MI MI - Adrienne Quintal, 47, called for help, foul play possible, Honor, Benzie Co., 17 Oct 2019

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  1. teaniebeanie

    teaniebeanie Active Member

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    It is possible that she thought she saw a cougar. Nothing odd about that statement at all. It may be rare in the area, but not unusual for people to think they've seen certain animals when it's dark out. IMO

    And it is to my understanding that she thought she saw the cougar during her walk outside with her dog.

    Rare Cougar Sighting Reported In Michigan's Lower Peninsula [PHOTO]
     
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  2. Knox

    Knox Well-Known Member

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    As well as the location of her gun. MSM was saying it was found in the house, Jenny stated it was found on the ground in the leaves, directly under her boots and cell phone on the roof.
     
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    Knox Well-Known Member

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    From the Brainscratch Podcast-Interview with Adrienne's Sister Jenny

    • Adrienne worked in the auto industry as a database access programmer, very intelligent.
    • Loved to be outside, hunting, gardening. She has a concealed weapon permit, never went anywhere without her 9mm handgun. She's skilled in shooting.
    • Previously married, separated for four years, divorce was final earlier this year. Married for 12 or 13 years.
    • Dating the current boyfriend for a little over a year, first name is Lundy.
    • Adrienne lives in a condo in Southfield.
    • There have been some challenges in the relationship with boyfriend. Sister says Adrienne's personality changed when she met him. She started dressing differently, she started facetiming with sister instead of using the phone. He was very possessive and want to know where she was all the time. She started wearing tighter clothes, sort of hippy in style, very different than she used to wear.
    • Sister met Lundy, she is not crazy about him. There was a time during the summer when they were involved in an altercation and he did not protect Adrienne. She was harmed in the altercation, injured quite badly. Sister was asked if the altercation could be linked to her disappearance. Sister said she did not think so, they revealed the information to the police. As far as she knows the two things cannot be linked.
    • The boyfriend and Adrienne went up to the cabin to do some repairs, she was not working and Lundy doesn't work. The uncle has bad knees so they were helping and were going to close it up for the winter.
    • Houses are spread out in the area, nearest neighbor 1/4 to half mile away. One neighbor that backs up to the property heard something.
    • Sister is 99% sure Adrienne came out of the window located next to the mud room, it was found open. Her boots and phone were found on the north side of the main roof. While Adrienne was on the phone with the family friend, it started out she was just hearing noises and that's why she called the family friend. If you hear noises outside you're not going to automatically call 911, she called the friend. She heard noises, called the family friend and then it began escalating. She did call two other people prior who may not have answered, the family friend did answer.
    • It's pitch black out there, you can't see anything, she hears noises. She had a space heater on and all the lights were on inside the house. Someone could see in, but sister doesn't think she could see out very well.
    • Sister knows the family friend well. Friend is not connected to the boyfriend at all. Family friend did not hear any shots other than Adrienne's. The call started out with the noises and what they could possibly be, it started escalating and Adrienne began to panic and said she thought someone is outside. There were times when she set the phone down, then the gunshots, picked the phone back up, and said "oh my God, I shot him in the face".
    • Sister says they don't believe she shot someone in the face, what we are theorizing she shot through the window and saw her reflection.
    • Sister is asked if any drugs or alcohol were found in the cabin, not to her knowledge. Asked if Adrienne is typically a person who panics, sister replies that in the injury from the summer altercation, she suffered a head injury and wonders if that could be related.
    • No evidence of any gunshots other than her, there were six or seven in the window, one shot was in the rafters.
    • Sister thinks it's possible she had a mental breakdown related to the head injury and ran into the woods to escape. But the police did a very through search and found nothing. It's very marshy in the area.
    • No footprints or tire tracks were found, it's sandy/gravelly sand and grass in the area and there was no snow. No rain or mud either.
    • Why did Lundy leave two days before this happened? Sister says they were told he left to take some tiles they found in the basement of the cabin to her condo. She was fixing it up to sell it.
    • Interviewer asks about the height of the windows, says it doesn't make sense that you would shoot someone outside. Sister says the height of the windows to the ground outside is 7-8 feet. Any shots fired would have went over someone's head. But her car was parked outside, one of the windows was shot out. Sister says if she thought someone was outside, she had more bullets in the house. But she did not reload and stay in shelter, that doesn't make any sense to her. You would not have gone outside.
    • The only reason sister can think why she went out on the roof, there is an attic space in the cabin. She could have been paranoid that someone was going to enter the house from the attic. There is a small attic window which is open for ventilation, did she think someone entered that way, maybe. There is a straight ladder from the attic which comes down in the house between the kitchen and the living room.
    • It did take the Sheriff a while to get there. The family friend had never been to the cabin, had no idea where it was. When Adrienne asked for help, family friend said I don't know where you are. Adrienne put the phone down and was searching for something that had the address of the cabin. Adrienne picks up the phone and tells the family friend the wrong address.
    • Lundy got a lawyer, are you as a family still speaking to him? No, he has not been in contact with us. I don't know if that's by design, when I last saw him I was angry because my sister was missing and I said some very bad things to him when he showed up. I was also angry because she went missing on a Thursday and he did not show up until Saturday after 5. That's a long time for someone who says they love someone to show up.
    • Nick was working on some of the renovations of the condo with Lundy. He has not talked to Nick any further either.
    • Sister thinks Adrienne may have been abducted. The reason is there was a ladder leaned up against the back of the house where the mudroom roof is. It would have been easy to go up the ladder and after her on the roof. The other reason is she never went anywhere without her gun. They found her gun with an empty clip right underneath the area where her shoes and phone were. Her gun was found outside in the leaves, not in the house. To separate her from her gun and it being found in the leaves, that is why I think someone took her.
    • Can anyone confirm Lundy was actually at home that night? She sent a text message to Lundy at 1:40 AM. She had walked her dog and thought she saw a cougar out near the road. So I am assuming the police pinged his phone to check where he was, she was told his phone was down here. Sister was asked if he answered her text, sister does not know.
    • Sister is asked if she thinks Lundy is involved. She says she has very mixed feelings. While she doesn't think he drove 250 miles to snatch her, she thinks he knows more than he has shared. Why wouldn't he cooperate no matter what.
    • Who would have come after Adrienne? Sister says maybe a local knew she was a woman alone, random abduction. Maybe the person she was in the altercation with. Nothing about this situation makes sense to me.
    • The cabin was locked up when LE arrived, they had to break a window to gain entrance. Adrienne and Lundy had recently adopted a dog in honor. Mid sized black and white dog, it was found in the house when LE arrived.
    • Sister says some have thought she staged this and willingly disappeared herself. That doesn't make sense, she could have just left a note took her purse, phone, dog and car and disappeared. She could have gotten a lot further away doing that, could have sold her car. It would have been days before they discovered her missing.
    • No legal or financial problems, she had not worked for years. She wasn't well off and would never do that to Nick.
    • Any struggles with mental health? No.
    • Adrienne's ex husband gave the money to double the reward. He was in Florida when this happened, by the way.
     
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    That sounds like a horror movie! Yikes.
     
  5. Knox

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    Glad I screen shot his pic ... yep, it's gone.
     
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  6. Wyle_E_Coyote

    Wyle_E_Coyote Northern Virginia

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    I wonder if the family friend heard the dog barking at all during the phone call.
     
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  7. indicolite22

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    If she was alone and was imagining an attack, why would she leave her phone behind when she ran away? Did she abandon the gun because it was empty or it fell when she was climbing down the roof and she couldn't find it in the dark? Was any extra ammo found? Did she accidentally fall off the roof?
     
  8. Zetterbeard

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    Do you know what month the altercation was in?
     
  9. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    Her sister says in the recent interview (at 54:40) that it happened in July.

     
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  10. Birmingplumb

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    Can we sleuth person of interest by L.E. Lundy and use his last name on this site.?

    I remember when the boyfriend was named by L.E. a "person of interest" and we started discussing him, many said we could sleuth him and we started. We then got a notice and posts were deleted by mod with the explanation that until the boyfriend was named we could not discuss or sleuth him. Now that I asked if the interview with the sister was considered mainstream and fact, and since it is still up, I have to assume that it 's contents are considered ok to discuss. So the question is: Lundy is the boyfriend, he has a last name and his face book profile pic and last name were posted with the question on the sisters page yesterday "is this the boyfriend?" and many people answered yes it is so what and don't judge him, Can we sleuth person of interest by L.E. Lundy and use his last name on this site.?
     
  11. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    Besides Benzie County Sheriff, has anyone read or heard whether or not other law enforcement agencies are involved in this case? Southfield PD or Oakland County Sheriff's Department (where AQ lives)? Warren PD or Macomb County Sheriff (Adrienne's call to a friend)? I tend to gravitate to WDIV, Detroit News, and WWJ radio, but there are certainly many other media sources around the state that might provide different information.
     
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    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    Maybe Nick White (his real name) uses "Wins" on social media. I noticed it on the funding campaign page.
     
  13. 10ofRods

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    If Ada was an avid hunter, wouldn't she also have long guns? If she hadn't taken hunting rifles to the cabin just as hunting season was about to start, that's odd to me. Where are her rifles? Or did she borrow them?

    The dogs not finding any scent leading from the cabin needs explanation. She had walked out on the road earlier (with her own dog), surely the sniffer dog would find that? Perhaps there were too many confounding smells, so that the sniffer dog's results are null (MSM does not mention a bloodhound).

    I wonder if there's an ongoing legal case involving her assailant.

    I'm leaning toward an abduction. Ada was completely panicked and apparently had some sort of idea of what to do if she felt threatened at the cabin (climb onto the mud room roof, position self to shoot assailants). However, it sounds like she practically emptied her gun shooting inside the house. It's possible she was having a mental breakdown but somehow it seems more likely to me that she had a real reason to be paranoid and frightened and was hoping she was safe at the family cabin. Boyfriend knows way more than we do.
     
  14. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    If only dogs could talk! The dog witnessed the entire incident but was unharmed and found in the locked cabin when LE arrived.
     
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    Thank you. I have a theory I may post later. I guess I'll have to listen to the interview first and not just go by the sparknotes posted when I have time at work tomorrow to burn, not that I would do such a thing at work. Wish that Lundy Facebook was still around so I could snoop around it lol.
     
  16. MimosaMornings

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    Has Adrienne always carried a gun? Or is this a recent thing after her injury/altercation in July of this year?
     
  17. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    From Knox's synopsis of the Brainscratch podcast: The boyfriend and Adrienne went up to the cabin to do some repairs, she was not working and Lundy doesn't work. The uncle has bad knees so they were helping and were going to close it up for the winter.

    If Ada and Lundy were going to close up the cabin for the winter, maybe she wasn't planning to be there during hunting season. No mention of other guns at the cabin or during the incident. The only gun mentioned is the handgun that Ada always carried (with a permit) found in the leaves outside the cabin.
     
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    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    During the podcast interview, Ada's sister, Jenny, says that Ada always carries a handgun and has a permit to do so. She even has her gun with her to go to the corner store for cigarettes.
     
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    I don’t have anything concrete but I would watch for July 1st or 2nd as a possible date for the incident that caused the brain injury. IMO
     
  20. MimosaMornings

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    Thank you @BetteDavisEyes
    Guessing Adrienne thought she needed to always carry her gun - perhaps the area around her condo? I’m not familar with Southfield or that area in relation to safety/crime/etc.
     
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