MI MI - Detroit, BlkFem UP11951, 18-22, found in alley, Sept'67

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  1. Jake479

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    Bumping
     
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    I can only find two cases of missing black African American women that were reported as missing before 1967 in NamUs. One would have only been 8 in 1967, the other would still be too young, but close:
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24308/0
    I doubt it's her, but other than that, it would appear this young woman wasn't reported missing, or under reported.
     
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    Coincidentally, they're from the same state, but it's a bit of a stretch.
     
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    I emailed Lori Bruski about this case and she said that this is one of 300 cases on the exhumation list in Michigan. Unfortunately, exhumations are extremely expensive in Michigan and the funding doesn’t become available very often so we have no idea when she will be exhumed. Hopefully, it'll be soon and she can be compared to Adele Wells.
     
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    1325UFMI

    Date of Discovery:
    September 30, 1967
    Location of Discovery: Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan
    Estimated Date of Death: Recent
    State of Remains: Recognizable face
    Cause of Death: Homicide

    Physical Description
    Estimated Age: 18-22 years old
    Race: Black
    Gender: Female
    Height: 5'4"
    Weight: 105 lbs.
    Hair Color: Black, styled in a short afro.
    Eye Color: Brown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Thin build. Stretch marks on abdomen vertical linear scar below right knee. A positive blood type.

    Identifiers
    Dentals: Available.
    Fingerprints: Available
    DNA: Not available.

    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: White fishnet hose (thigh highs), pink short peacoat, bright red sleeveless dress-short above the knee and a white wool sweater cardigan. One size 8 black cloth shoe.
    Jewelry: Unknown
    Additional Personal Items: Unknown

    Circumstances of Discovery
    The victim's body was discovered in an alleyway at the rear of 3613 Liddesdale Street in Detroit Michigan.

    Investigating Agency(s)
    Agency Name: Wayne County Medical Examiner
    Agency Contact Person: Carl Schmidt
    Agency Phone Number: 313-833-2504
    Agency E-Mail: N/A
    Agency Case Number: 67-7339

    NCIC Case Number: Unknown
    NamUs Case Number: 11951

    Information Source(s)
    NamUs

    Street view where she was found

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    Seems like knowing the blood types for some of the MPs may help rule them out, even without DNA. Only roughly 24% of African-Americans are A+.
     
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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    This (super sparse) case reminds me of this Jane Doe, though I have no clue why she'd be in Detroit. Her NAMUS file says she was last seen on April 26, 1968, but the Circumstances section says 'Cellastine was last seen by her family in Jersey City NJ, approximately 1967-1968, where she disappeared after work. Her family never heard from her again.'.
     
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    That’s interesting. I think it’s a good possibility if there’s a chance she was last known alive on April 26, 1967. That’s an oddly specific month/day considering the uncertainty of the year.
     
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    Maybe the date is someone's birthday or something like that. If the report was filed years later then they it would make sense why they can remember the date but not the year.
     
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    Good point!
     
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    @victoriarobinson642 did you happen to submit Celestine? She now has a photo on NamUs and I think she’s probably a match! I used the PM photo and even the teeth seem pretty similar.

    upload_2021-2-22_0-45-21.jpeg 84F7FF24-1070-4AD0-95FF-730083382DE9.jpeg
     
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    I think it could be her, looking at the eye on the left of the photo of JD, its shaped slightly different to her other eye, The eye on the left side of Cellastines photo, looks exactly the same.
     
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    Definitely see a resemblance between Celestine and the PM photos.
     
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    On the PM photo on namus
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    The teeths are visible, JD has her front teeth sticking out a bit and it appears like there is a small gap. Similar front teeth for Celestine.

    I'm not convinced there is match though, JD appears much slimmer with a longer face but ofcourse her appearence could have changed, especially if she had a drug problem when she died. The teeth and the mouth are very similar also nose and small eyes. It's worth sending in.
     
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    I believe someone said muscles lose their tension and rigidity after death, their features slacken a bit, so a face may appear rounder or longer. If you search Reet Jurvetson and compare her pm photo with the lovely photos of her before death, you'll see what I mean. But like you said, still worth submitting.
     
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    I did submit her, but I can't say I see that much of a resemblance.
     
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