MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #15 - Chauvin Trial Day 12

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  1. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    This thread is to discuss the case of George Floyd. It is not a thread to discuss racism in general.

    Unless your post relates to this case specifically, it is off topic and will be removed.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Please stay on topic by discussing the trial without introducing the peripheral matters of riots and protests, BLM, all the extraneous chatter about racial inequities and other social justice issues.

    We acknowledge, we understand how critical this trial is in relation to those issues, but we need to stay focused on this case and the trial itself. Yes there is overlap with those important issues, but the thread is specifically dedicated to discussing the George Floyd case and the Derek Chauvin trial and not all those other matters.

    If members wish to generally speculate on how such issues may have influenced either the victim or the accused, that's fine, but please don't bring in specifics related to all those other matters and derail the thread with social justice issues that will not be resolved in this discussion.

    Thanks !!
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    To say simply that GF possibly had fear as a black man was left as reasonable speculation that doesn't warrant dissecting it any further. IF GF had that fear, surely we can all understand where it may have originated.

    Quite a few posts had to be removed due to general back and forth bickering. There is no way to edit that many posts and be able to retain context so a lot of responses got removed in the process.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Members have been previously advised not to trash the witnesses. They are not there for our enjoyment or entertainment and there is no need to publicly disparage them or belittle them.

    Keep it classy folks !!

    Thank you.
     
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    Please do not state things as fact when it is strictly your opinion.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    We're getting pretty close to some thread reply bans being issued in this discussion.

    It is not necessary to respond to and debate every single post. State your opinion and move on without bickering or trying to win a debate.

    Thanks !!
     
  9. JerseyGirl

    JerseyGirl Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Prosecutors are expected to rest on Tuesday after finishing some procedural matters, calling no more witnesses.

    Once the defense takes over, Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson is expected to have his own experts testify that it was Floyd’s drug use and bad heart, not Chauvin’s actions, that killed him. Closing statements are expected Monday.

    The defense hasn’t said whether Chauvin will take the stand.

    WATCH LIVE George Floyd Case Day 12: Derek Chauvin Trial Live Stream
     
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    dixiegirl1035 Well-Known Member

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    Most recent media

    USA Today - Derek Chauvin trial: George Floyd's brother Philonise testifies

    AP News - Expert: Chauvin did not take actions of 'reasonable officer'

    ABC Chicago - Derek Chauvin trial live coverage: George Floyd's brother sheds tears on the stand

    Wall Street Journal - Derek Chauvin Prosecutors Near End of Case in George Floyd’s Death

    Huffington Post - Doctor Says George Floyd Had 'Exceptionally Strong Heart,' Undercutting Defense | HuffPost

    NBC News - Apr. 12 highlights for the murder trial of Derek Chauvin Day 11


    NBC News - George Floyd's brother Philonise testifies in Derek Chauvin's trial

    Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eefa4a-998e-11eb-b28d-bfa7bb5cb2a5_story.html

    MSNBC - How many medical experts does it take to tell us how George Floyd died?

    CNN - George Floyd's brother says he was a big mama's boy at Derek Chauvin's trial as prosecution nears its end - CNN

    NPR - Chauvin Trial: Expert Says Use Of Force In George Floyd Arrest Was Not Reasonable

    New York Times - ‘He showed us how to treat our mom,’ George Floyd’s brother breaks down during his testimony.


    Update on witness list
    -Through Day 11-
    (Yesterday - Monday 4/12/2021 )


    Day 1
    Opening Statements
    1) 911 MPD Dispatcher Jena Scurry (not to be confused with 911 call taker or fire dispatcher)
    2) Speedway gas station cashier All*sha Oy*er
    3) MMA guy D*nald W*lliams (prosecution only today)

    Day 2
    3) witness - From Yesterday, defense follow up etc with MMA guy D*nald W*lliams - he called 911
    4) witness - Darn**la - was minor at the time and now 18 - she did the "viral video" that the world has seen and had little cousin with her in green shirt
    5) witness - Little cousin in green (not posting any info here at WS... due to minor)
    6) witness - Aly*** who was wearing white shirt and blue jeans in group shot.. knows witness #4 from school and knows another person there she drove there with ( young female K**lyn at scene with large bag on shoulder who is #7 witness) She drove up after FG was on ground -took 3 videos.
    7) witness - K**lyn (?sp) Arrived with #6 witness. Minor, 17 year old. Friend of #6 Aly***. She circled her photo of standing on the curb.. had large beige bag on shoulder next to MMA guy.
    8) witness - 27 yo Lady firefighter/EMT GH who was in all black with white headband that day, with CPR training (wearing uniform in court) from Minneapolis who was on a walk who took video and did 911 call. She was 7th person to arrive on the curb with others watching . The judge chewed her out at the end of today for "arguing with the court" and arguing with attorneys.

    Day 3
    8) Genev*eve Hans*n cont'd - Firefighter/EMT (defense questions)
    9) Christopher Mart*n 19 y/o who worked in CUP FOOD store and accepted the $20 bill.
    10) Christopher B*lrey 45 y/o who pulled up behind GF's car, filmed a little then left the scene
    11) Charles Mcmi*lian 61 y/o who was first on scene when at CUP food wearing black shirt with white square emblem - "You can't win"
    12) Lt. James Rugel with IT responsibility for body and street cams.

    Day 4
    13) Courtn*y R*ss GF girlfriend since 2017
    14) Seth Zach*ry Bravinder - Ambulance/EMS driver
    15) Eerek Smith - Ambulance/EMS who did pulse and compressions
    16) Jeremy Norton - Captain/EMT at firestation #17 who responded to scene/2nd scene
    17) David Pleoger - MPD Sgt. who took call from dispatcher complaint, went to scene, went hospital.

    Day 5 - Friday 4/2/2021
    18) Sgt Jon Edwards - MPD who took over shift from Pleoger
    19) Richard Zimmerman - MPD Investigator for critical incidents;prior to turning over to BCA upon death of GF

    Day 6
    20) Dr Bradford Langerfeld - Resident at hospital that pronounced GF
    21) Chief Arrandondo - Head of MPD
    22) Katie Blackwelll - was MPD Commander of Training Division at time of GF death

    Day 7
    23) Ker Yang - Sgt MPD Crisis Intervention Training Coordinator
    24) Johny Mercil - Lt. MPD Oversees MPD Use of Force education who trained Chauvin
    25) Nicole MacKenzie - MPD Medical Support Coordinator
    26) Jody Stiger - Los Angeles Use of force expert

    Day 8
    26) Jody Stiger Cont'd Use of force expert from LAPD
    27) Special Agent James Reyerson with Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension - BCA lead investigator
    28) McKensie Anderson - BCA Forensic Scientist - DNA expert, scene lead
    29) Breahna Giles - Forensic Scientist - pills
    30) Susan Neith - Forensic Chemist - pills

    Day 9
    31) Dr. Martin Tobin - Physician in pulmonary and Critical Care
    32) Daniel Isenschmid - NMS Laboratories
    33) Dr. Bill Smock - Emergency Medicine Physician in forensic medicine / "Police Surgeon"

    Day 10 Friday 4/9/2021
    34) Dr. Lindsey Thomas - Forensic Pathologist - Retired from Hennepin County, was Dr. Andrew Baker's mentor
    35) Dr. Andrew Baker - Hennepin County ME who did GF autopsy

    Day 11
    36) Dr. Jonathan Rich - Cardiologist
    37) Ph*lonese Floyd - George's little brother
    38) Seth Stoughton - Criminal and Police Law Professor at Univ. of SC
     
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    Tuesday, April 13th:
    *Trial continues (Day 12) (@ 9:15am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/now 45) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 29 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:28pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
    Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection ran through March 23, 2021. Trial with opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case began on March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates (9 women & 5 men). Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
    Jurors’ info & incidents Judge will allow against Chauvin reference post #8 here:
    MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #14 - Chauvin Trial Day 11

    Bond conditions & court info 12/19/20 thru 3/23/21 & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/23) & Day 1 to 10 of Trial (3/29 to 4/9/21) reference post #8 here:
    MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #14 - Chauvin Trial Day 11

    4/12/21 Monday, Trial Day 11: Each morning of the trial the judge has set aside 9am CT/10am ET for any motions/issues with attorneys. Motion hearing: Defense attorney Eric Nelson argues a sixth use of force expert Seth Stoughton would be cumulative. Same analysis that others have gone through: Steiger, Mercil &Chief have already testified to as to use of force. As prosecutions wants to play video again. Schleicher says this expert is an academic & he takes an academic. Judge Cahill: "Well, the court concern, we're pretty clear before is that motions in limine, we're not going to call every cop & ask him, What would you have done differently & basically I think the State has almost done that.” Judge rules state expert Seth Stoughton can testify on limited basis regarding national policing standards & related use-of-force violations he found during Floyd's deadly arrest. Judge Cahill has now moved onto potential testimony of Floyd companion Morries Hall outside the presents of jurors. Cahill says he plans to put him on witness stand tomorrow to see if Hall does indeed plan to invoke his 5th A privilege & not answer attorney questions. Defense attorney Nelson tells Judge Cahill the state doesn't intend to offer Hall any immunity in the case. Hall spoke to investigators, denying he gave Floyd drugs on day of Floyd's death. Seems Nelson wants state to offer some level of immunity to get Hall on stand. Nelson is asking sequestration of the jury as a result of the Brooklyn Center shooting & overnight unrest. Nelson asks that the jury be voir dire again to ask if they know about what happened yesterday, if it will impact their decision making process & that they be sequestered. Cahill: I'm going to deny the motion to sequester the jury & for additional voir dire. This is a totally different case & I realized there's civil unrest & maybe some of the jurors did hear about that. Judge Cahill just told the court, he plans to have closing arguments a week from today, on Monday, April 19th. That will give jury next weekend to get affairs in order, pack bags over weekend & then begin their deliberations after closings.
    State’s witnesses: Blackwell on direct: 36) Dr. Jonathan Rich, Chicago area cardiologist. Nelson on cross. Re-direct & re-cross. Judge denies defense motion to compel prosecutors as to why they are not offering Morries Hall immunity. Also if Hall invokes 5th & refuses to testify, the defense CANNOT bring in Hall's past interview as none of the Q&A is admissible. 37) Philonise Floyd, younger brother of George. No cross by Nelson. 38) Seth Stoughton, former police officer & now a criminal law professor re use-of-force expert. The State played the part of the body camera video where Chauvin tells Floyd "it takes a heck of a lot of oxygen" in response to Floyd's distressed talking. They played another clip & you hear Officer Lane saying Floyd’s not responsive to paramedics. Stoughton notes that bystanders are pleading with officers, Ofc. Keung checks Floyd’s pulse before saying he can’t find a pulse. Stoughton says you hear Chauvin say “huh” & Keung clarifies. Nelson on cross. And re-direct.
    Judge Cahill tells jurors they expect to move to defense’s case tomorrow. Says they might be done by the end of the week & potentially take Friday off. He tells them his preference is to have closing arguments on Monday. In recess now until 9:15 a.m. tomorrow, 4/13/21.
    Morries Hall had a hearing this morning in Redwood County unrelated to the ChauvinTrial. He appeared via Zoom in jail clothes. Redwood Co. Charges: On 10/16/19 Ct 4 - Controlled substance crime - meth Ct 5 - Controlled substance crime - meth, heroin, fentanyl, tramadol (other drgs) Ct 6 - Controlled substance crime - cocaine Ct 7 - Possession drug paraphernalia.
    *Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.
     
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    Live link for today
    (ETA: 9:31 Commentators are live now discussing. Two women of Asian descent have sat in Chauvin's family seat on two different days. Just noticed that the placeholder for the below video has the face blocked out for the woman in red in back. As to M. Hall aka 5th amendment guy that fled the state to Tx after GF died... Statement to investigators cannot be show, it's unclear if he will be testifying... and per commentator is left hanging. Cannot find S. Hill who was other passenger)

    ETA #2. 9:40 They (Washington Post) just changed photo on the placeholder and no longer is the woman with blocked out facial area.

     
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    Good morning folks! Beautiful day here in Midflorida. Getting ready for today’s trial day. Cheers!
     
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    according to this morning’s news:

    Morries Hall-man with George Floyd on day he died-to take the stand - KTOE

    Morries Hall is expected to take the witness stand today. Hall plans to invoke his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination. Defense attorney Eric Nelson argued that if Hall does not offer testimony, his interview with investigators after Floyd’s death should be admitted into evidence. Judge Pete Cahill however ruled…

    “None of the statements in the question and answer statement are admissible.”
     
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    They are putting him on the stand knowing he will say nothing atall? Can Nelson ask for a mistrial due to this? Seems a waste of time getting him up there just to plead the fifth, Nelson will be talking to himself...
     
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    Isn't there a hearing this morning - say 8:30am CT? for Hall? It is a little past 8:30am there, right? Am I calculating right? LOL!
     
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    How will the jurors interpret MH pleading the fifth?
     
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    It's currently 8:38am in Minnesota.

    ETA: We're not sure if the hearing with MH will be streamed.
     
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