MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #17 - Chauvin Trial Day 14

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  1. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    I think it is absolutely proper that Tobin be called to testify to the validity of the two "studies" referenced by Fowler with a total of four test subjects between the two studies o_O

    Fowler opened the door to that one.
     
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  2. Boodles

    Boodles Well-Known Member

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    On the other hand, the jury should have all the facts. It would be wrong to deliberate with incomplete info when it is available.
     
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    ElizaKate Well-Known Member

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    Hang on, I thought the state didn't know either. Dr Baker saw yesterday's testimony and went back to see if it was tested. it was, he bought it forward. No delay in giving over evidence...
     
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  4. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't sound like the state is very confident in the outcome of this trial. jmo
     
  5. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    No, they rely only on what his handed over in discovery. They can ask, but the State or ME or LE has no obligation to do what they ask them to. (The Defense asked them to go back to the squad car.. they did... they found the pills in the back seat of the squad car)

    Nelson's argument (and it's a good one) is that the State had Fowler's report back in February. Sounds like Baker (State ME) was listening yesterday and "found" test results that were not handed over to either the State or the Defense.

    The Defense, if I was Nelson, should be questioning what else was not disclosed. JMO
     
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  6. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Agree. MOO.
     
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  7. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    Blackwell is correct, this is why we have discovery deadlines. So nobody is blindsided. At some point in order for there to be due process, each side must know what they are arguing.

    I think the judge needs to split the baby. Don't let the newly discovered evidence come in but allow Tobin to refute Fowler's testimony on the "studies" Fowler referenced.
     
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  8. turaj

    turaj Well-Known Member

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    sorry that is what I mean...think i have made this same mistake many times.
     
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  9. JerseyGirl

    JerseyGirl Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Nelson notes he received the email at 4:53pm suggesting Dr. Tobin saw the new test results.

    “Nevertheless, it's our position that these new test results should not go in front of the jury…if they were I would be moving for a mistrial.”

    Blackwell: Obviously Your Honor, we wouldn't be having any of these discussions this morning had there not been new opinions from Dr. Fowler raise from the stand.

    Blackwell: He expressed his opinions about the Mayo study, it was a free kick at the goal because we didn't know that he was going there.

    Blackwell says Dr. Tobin will testify that George Floyd’s heart weight "does not fall within a range that is abnormal.”

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1382706459994112008?s=21
     
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  10. ElizaKate

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    Okay understood thanks.
     
  11. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    I don't have enough coffee in me for this lol I was NOT expecting that something actually interesting was going to happen so soon today haha
     
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    unfortunately they often do not...things are held back for legal reasons...always bothers me but that is what happens in courtrooms...it often leads to a verdict that may not be justice.
     
  13. Katerz

    Katerz Verified Insider/Robert Wiggins

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    I’m just.. very confused this morning.
     
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  14. JerseyGirl

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    JB: "We heard from Dr. Fowler, that an anoxic seizure was evidence of a primary cardiac event...that was not in his report, and it was disclosed for the first time, from the stand.”

    Blackwell says Dr. Tobin would not just testify to the newly discovered test results.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1382707235479040012?s=21

    JB:...the test results are merely corroborative of that, because the test results shows specific testing for CO itself & it is simply derived from looking at the oxygen saturation content, which is at 98% and therefore, the most CO could have been is 2%.
     
  15. missy1974

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    I think the State could get their rebuttal on the carbon monoxide with Dr. Tobin without the 'found' test results.
     
  16. Tippy Lynn

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    Same - my brain needs time to ramp up. :p
     
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  17. Katerz

    Katerz Verified Insider/Robert Wiggins

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    New evidence denied.
     
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  18. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    I am sooooooooooooooooo thinking this is not good for the state. 98% oxygen saturation to determine carbon monoxide is NOT GOOD SCIENCE!

    It is not directly relevant.

    I hope doesn't come in.

    Moo... from someone who has gone down many rabbit holes due to my condition, and through COVID studies.

    DENIED. Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This would have been bad science MOO!!!
     
  19. Rhozwen

    Rhozwen Well-Known Member

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    Good question. Hopefully it gets answered, I am wondering the same.
     
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  20. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    In Fowlers report, he came right out and said that "it should be tested".

    Judge not claiming bad faith.

    Questioning the response from ME office about what they turned over (YEP!)
     
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