MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #5

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  1. cGorg

    cGorg Former Member

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    I think the top picture of the detective spraying the footprints is looking east as the fenceline is on the north. So there are 2 tapelines: 1 on the east(which DR said he could not get his car through but had to drive on the grass in the ditch) and the other tapeline on the west side of the pavement. You can also see the first pole at the abduction site. That pole is not there today so the tracks/prints were about 40 yards long. It appears to me in the detective picture there are multiple tire tracks and one of the tracks appears to be curved. I agree, one assumes this whole stretch of road would have been analyzed for tracks/prints but it has always bothered me that the detective is creating another set of prints himself.
     
  2. cGorg

    cGorg Former Member

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    One other thought I've had regarding the detective picture.....it appears there is a semi-circular white line surrounding the detective and the footprints. If a vehicle was used in the abduction, could it be possible that the perp dragged Jacob from the abduction site in the grass, then an accomplice swung the vehicle in a turn to accomodate the perp forcing Jacob into the car. This would mean that footprints would only appear in this one location along the entire 40 yards. As Trackergd stated, the perps and Jacob's footprints are intermingled in what appears to be a struggle.
     
  3. cGorg

    cGorg Former Member

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    aha...it took me awhile. I took your initial 2nd sentence completely opposite of what you meant. Sorry.
     
  4. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there is room on the driveway to turn like that and where are the other set of tires?

    And duh! What about the light pole? Was it a LIGHT or a telephone pole?

    If a light, there would be plenty of light in that spot.

    As far as the tires, they are 1989, not 50-60's. They are probably not bias ply but radial--- the girlfriend's tires.
     
  5. ELOCsoul

    ELOCsoul Verified Author - "Finding Jacob Wetterling"

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    Yep, definitely facing east. Check out the shadow cast by Mund's body. The driveway runs east and west. The sun is to his back so he has to be facing north, and the camera facing east. Also, I would hope they would not allow a media photographer to be up the driveway the day after the abduction.
     
  6. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Crepe is usually a yellowish soft rubber type sole, many times with a zig zag or strait line pattern. The pattern also appears in inexpensive sneakers "Chukka" boots. Work boots tend to be either vibram lug sole or completely flat sole hard leather. I have seen it one other time on a motorcycle boot.
     
  7. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Looking at the picture with the officer in it, it appears there are a lot more tracks and tire prints. I can only work with the one picture I was able to find and manipulate for brightness and contrast. I could not blow it up any larger without loosing focus.

    I am perplexed that when someone with the ability to look at the evidence and actually "read it" they are turned away. I am having that occur with another case I am working, and have been for 25 years. LE is just not interested. On some occasions, LE seems to feel that the ordinary citizen is not professional enough to render opinions or be of any help...more of a bother, sorry to say.

    I feel that the entire story is all there...like reading a page in a book in prints. All the evidence and the last clue Jacob left for us to find. :(

    What worries me more is that everyone from folks looking for Jacob, to LE, to the photographer and locals walked all over the evidence...and too much time has passed to look at all their shoes and sort it out. It happens a lot. Folks just don't know what they are walking on.
     
  8. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    The edges are sharp, but the tread pattern is not deep...or the ground was so dry that the ridges standing up crumbled right away. But I still think looking at the depth of the deeper prints and the tire prints that it could not have been a heavy vehicle. Light pickup, VW or something like that. I have an outlier thought that it could have been a large motorcycle if there is only one set of tire prints and no matching set for the other side. But it's not something I can nail down from what little is in the picture. Huh...I wonder if the deep prints could be boot heels from someone on a large bike... How would they have gotten Jacob to get on and stay there.... Just an odd random thought...
     
  9. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    If you look at my marked up picture and think about tire construction. Up to the late 60's, the internal belts in the tire were wrapped in the direction of the tread, then they started wrapping them in what would become the radial pattern moving into more exotic materials until they started using steel mesh belts. The tire prints in the picture are a tall narrow bias tire as a radial, even an early one would have had very rounded edges as the tires "bulge" more. From what I can see in the picture I posted, they are not radials. The edge is too sharp.
     
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    What about going down other avenues? Maybe contacting the cyber tipline on the NCMEC website, for example? Maybe even media outlets? Someone who could put a little pressure on LE? Does anyone have any other suggestions?
     
  11. cGorg

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    My heart sank after reading your words. It's sad that someone with your abilities was turned away. I agree that the story was left on the road and that most likely alot of it was obliterated in the hours + days after the abduction.
     
  12. cGorg

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    Isn't there a tire track shown in a curving line on the pic? My point was if the perp and Jacob were in the ditch then an accomplice in a car would veer out a ways so the perp could walk up the ditch onto the gravel and force him into the vehicle.

    Pole...assumed it was a telephone pole....simply alluding to the mixup of the
    2nd pole and the distance to the end of the footprints. I doubt the pole had a light on it....have never read anything like that. It is interesting though...wonder why that original first pole was removed yet other poles remain?
     
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    I like this. With all of the social media tools we have today, we could gather enough force to really get some movement on this case. It's been 24 years. This case is solvable!

    With the anniversary coming up, this is a good time to get people talking. Does LE have a full time detective on the case? They need to look at the mountains of evidence they probably have that isn't public and give us something else to go on.
     
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    One thing that bothers me is that the St Cloud Times website used to have a whole section online dedicated to Jacob's case. I've seen dozens of links to it. However - all the content is gone. The links lead to no where and I can't find the section on their site. Why would they take it down?!? Do they not care anymore or think it's news-worthy??
     
  15. shergal

    shergal Active Member

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    Sheriff Sanner, Pam Jensen and Agent McDonald are still active on the case.

    "The investigation now lies in the hands of Stearns County Capt. Pam Jensen and Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension Special Agent Ken McDonald.

    Both were small-town police officers when Jacob Wetterling disappeared. When they were assigned to the case years later, in the late 1990s, they spent time reading reports and talking to former investigators to get valuable background information.

    Information flows freely between Jensen and McDonald. That prevents them from chasing the same lead and allows them to collaborate. They regularly follow leads and talk to those involved."

    http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009110180047

    However, LE is under no obligation to give "us" any information to go on.
     
  16. shergal

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    On the Times website, if you go to this link, http://www.sctimes.com/section/wetterling

    ...way at the bottom there is a video showing Aaron Larson. If you click play on that, Sheriff Sanner talks about the case, and also Aaron, part of the 911 call, Jerry, Patty, and video of Jacob.

    There is a second video which shows Red Grammer who wrote a song for Jacob. (The 2 videos play in a continuous loop.) This page used to contain a lot more info, pics, and maps, but I think it changed when the Gannet corporation (who owns the Times) added the digital option to our paper this year. A lot of older links were broken and not fixed by them yet. I'm sure once the anniversary of the abduction comes up in a few weeks, there will be articles about Jacob again in the Times and then they will probably add in those older links. A lot of the pictures on the various online blogs about Jacob were originally taken from the Times website, so they are still out there.
     
  17. thenotebook

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    I'm well aware that LE is under no obligation to give us information. I'm just frustrated that it's been 24 years and this case still hasn't been solved. I think if they would release even a small breadcrumb of new info, it might generate some new leads. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the last bit of information that was released was back in 2004 when Kevin came forward. Almost 10 years ago!
     
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    This is weird. When I go to that link I get this error message. I tried using both IE and Firefox.

    Error:

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  19. human

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    I don't know if any of you followed the Alanna Gallagher situation on here. I don't like the term "case" as it sounds so cold.

    Anyway, it is amazing how quiet the media and people who knew things were.

    Info has come out that is unbelievable. The things that LE knew were quite astounding.

    LE has named DR as a person of interest. The public knows this. So, anyone who has info has the opportunity to give it.

    After seeing info that LE has had in other situations, I am confident they know plenty. They just don't have enough to convict.

    Think of Casey Anthony, That was a no brainer. A two year old missing for 30 days and not reported by the mother. Well, I guess no problem to not mention your toddler is nowhere to be seen.h
     
  20. shergal

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    Yes, you get that error message. But scroll to the bottom of the page, and the videos are still there.
     
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