MN MN - Joshua Guimond, 20, Collegeville, 9 Nov 2002 - #2

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  1. Kittej13

    Kittej13 Member

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    He could not remember the name of the person. But I do think there needs to be a fresh look into this case. Some people close to Josh need to be re interviewed. The information I found regarding the lakes seems to be accurate.
     
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  2. Sasquatch321

    Sasquatch321 Well-Known Member

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    New theory

    The anonymous midnight jogger is the anonymous investigator. The anonymous jogger has never come forward to reveal himself despite media reportings about the tip.

    On April 28, 2003 — five months after Josh’s disappearance — the Stearns County Sheriff’s Department released information that it “received a call from an individual stating that they were driving off campus, just after midnight, on the night Joshua Guimond disappeared and that they saw someone jogging towards campus on County Road 159 wearing bright colored jogging clothing.”
     
  3. Sasquatch321

    Sasquatch321 Well-Known Member

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    What if Joshua had concocted a bigger scheme from their fake ID ring that we have all failed to see?

    How missing mans family finds him alive 23 years later-

     
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  4. Sasquatch321

    Sasquatch321 Well-Known Member

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    After all of this time, what leads do we have that a monk abducted Joshua?

    Well I've compiled that list and here it is-

    1. Josh was drafting an essay about clergy sex abuse close to the time he disappeared.

    2. A monk was quoted as saying while he knew of Joshua, he did not know him personally.

    Anything else in the way of leads?
     
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  5. DarkJodo

    DarkJodo Well-Known Member

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    3. Josh's dorm apartment prefect was a monk that was credibly accused of sexual misconduct.

    4. Metten Court's (apartment where party took place) prefect was a monk that was credibly accused of sexual misconduct.

    5. Joshua would likely encounter at least one of the 13 credibly accused monks on a daily basis.
     
  6. Sasquatch321

    Sasquatch321 Well-Known Member

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    1. Josh was drafting an essay about clergy sex abuse close to the time he disappeared.

    2. A monk was quoted as saying while he knew of Joshua, he did not know him personally.

    3. Josh's dorm apartment prefect was a monk that was credibly accused of sexual misconduct.

    4. Metten Court's (apartment where party took place) prefect was a monk that was credibly accused of sexual misconduct.

    5. Joshua would likely encounter at least one of the 13 credibly accused monks on a daily basis.

    Well that is not very good though is it? Because like the evidence that Josh could be in one of the lakes has turned up nothing, these leads have gone nowhere as well. It sounds good but nothing is ever happening with it. Where are his roommates and friends backing up these concerns? What has LE done to investigate this? If there is a monk that would abduct and kill and we know who these monks are, why is this case so difficult?
     
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  7. ThePhantom

    ThePhantom Well-Known Member

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    This case is complex, addled by an incompetent initial investigation along with a refusal to thoroughly and meticulously examine the environment from which Josh went missing. This case has been clouded with obfuscation, a refusal to pursue full and complete answers from the St. John's leadership, and an unapolagetic uwillingness on the part of St. John's to provide access to files, information and data that could prove useful in solving this case.
     
  8. Sasquatch321

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    I sense a huge shortcoming on behalf of the stearns county investigative unit to share and find more information in this case.
     
  9. ThePhantom

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    I continue to believe there is someone on that campus who could shed some light on what happened to Joshua. But what would be their incentive be to do so? I no longer have faith that anyone there will come forward. I'm still of the mind that there may also be a person(s) who lives/lived in the surrounding community who may have information. This would be someone who may have known and possibly been involved in some way with the perpetrator. In any case, cannot rule out that this may have been a craftily planned crime, with hidden pieces to the puzzle that only the perp could know. And possibly the keeper of the secret vault of confessions.
     
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  10. Sasquatch321

    Sasquatch321 Well-Known Member

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    I believe if the immedate monks nearby were responsible for Joshuas disappearance that his roommate, fellow classmates, friends would have a better idea of who that person could have been. But noone is shouting or pointing a finger at anyone. Obviously Joshua never told anyone he felt odd about a certain person close to his disappearance. This was not a planned crime beyond the extent of Josh running into a bad person imo. He randomly left a party alone.
     
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  11. ThePhantom

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    True, but within the same timeframe there was an athlete on campus who filed a written complaint of sexual abuse by a monk, and persistently complained to the Abbot when nothing was done. I'm sure there are people in this group who are familar with the details. And that's just a complaint we know about. Certainly there were others and I dare say there were a number of other victims who just wanted to get out of there and forget about whatever abuse was inflicted upon them. Josh's crime did not happen in a vacuum; he was surrounded by monks who had extensive records of sexual abuse. Their "punishment" was to be sent away to be "rehabilitated" at either St. Luke's in Maryland or the Southdown Institute in Canada, and then returned to the abbey to continue with their "calling." Is it merely a coincidence that Josh disappeared in the midst of this den of iniquity?
     
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  12. Sasquatch321

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    Why is Josh the only victim over the entire history of St. Johns sex abuse scandals that was taken after daylight hours and killed? It doesn't fit in very well does it. We're talking about monks that gently lay a hand on you to see how far they can take it. All of these other victims were attacked in daylight during normal hours after an extensive grooming process. Joshua never let anyone know he was worried sbout somebody.
     
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  13. ThePhantom

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    Well, there was at least one that appeared to be about as sociopathic as it gets. Like a snake in the grass. Who knows what set of sordid circumstances could have occurred to snuff out the life of a victim. I look at this case through a lense of what is known, primarily, that young men were surrounded by deceitful, deviant men who were largely allowed free reign of the campus. The mind can stretch just as far for this theory as it can for the notion of Josh walking/falling into a lake. The enormous, seemingly insurmountable problem we have here is what we have not been told and may never be able to know. I still hate thinking about everything the sheriff and FBI knew about the Wetterling case and didn't act on for almost thirty years. This is the same sheriff who oversaw the primary search for Josh. Now Josh and his family are suffering the same fate. We are now closing in on year 18 with no answers and no progress in sight. A miracle could happen and someone could come forward with information. Who knows, maybe they already did and the information they gave was minimized/disregarded. Does anyone here know if a FOIA was filed for Josh's case?
     
  14. Corrupt2theCore

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    Minnesota Statute 13.82
    COMPREHENSIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA


    § Subd. 7.Criminal investigative data.

    Except for the data defined in subdivisions 2, 3, and 6, investigative data collected or created by a law enforcement agency in order to prepare a case against a person, whether known or unknown, for the commission of a crime or other offense for which the agency has primary investigative responsibility are confidential or protected nonpublic while the investigation is active. Inactive investigative data are public unless the release of the data would jeopardize another ongoing investigation or would reveal the identity of individuals protected under subdivision 17. Images and recordings, including photographs, video, and audio records, which are part of inactive investigative files and which are clearly offensive to common sensibilities are classified as private or nonpublic data, provided that the existence of the images and recordings shall be disclosed to any person requesting access to the inactive investigative file. An investigation becomes inactive upon the occurrence of any of the following events:

    (a) a decision by the agency or appropriate prosecutorial authority not to pursue the case;

    (b) expiration of the time to bring a charge or file a complaint under the applicable statute of limitations, or 30 years after the commission of the offense, whichever comes earliest; or

    (c) exhaustion of or expiration of all rights of appeal by a person convicted on the basis of the investigative data.


    You'll know... unfortunately it'll be another 12 years.
     
  15. Sasquatch321

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    But how is this case interpreted? Is it filed as a criminal investigation or a missing persons case? Could there be a difference between the two?
     
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    I think it's technically considered by the sheriff to be a missing person's case. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the law related to FOIA so I did a little looking. Here is how one missing person's case was handled: Police may be forced to release documents on missing person.

    I believe Stearn's County doesn't consider Josh's case to be "cold case" - not even after 18 years of purportedly zero progress. I am not an expert by any means, but common sense is that many of these cases are hot/warm in the immediate days/weeks/months after they occur. While I hold onto a tiny shred of hope that someone in the community, or from within St. John's specifically, will come forward with information, I have a bad feeling that the ship for justice for Josh has sailed. Though it always breaks my heart to say that.
     
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    " I have a bad feeling that the ship for justice for Josh has sailed."

    There is no such thing as justice in this county.
     
  18. ThePhantom

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    Just for once, I wish there could be!! But my how the odds have been stacked against it.
     
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    I’ve been reading all the responses. And like many I love listening to true crime podcasts. I have listened to a few regarding this case. But I feel if more true crime podcasts covered this , and give it another look it could really help the case. One guy I would love to look at this case is Payne Lindsey ! He has a true crime podcast called up and Vanished along with a show on oxygen. I’ll submit this case to a few podcasts and hope they pick it up.
     
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  20. Sasquatch321

    Sasquatch321 Well-Known Member

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    It's now up to the public and media to solve this case, and it can be solved. LE has decided to let this missing persons case continue to fall through the cracks, as with so many others. I'm going to tell you right now what needs to be done to solve this case.

    1. I encourage people to keep an eye out for a sign of Josh in the woods and on the shorelines of the lakes in the campus area.

    2. I encourage people to talk to the monks directly and also find the people that were at the party that night. Also his roommate.

    Not too bad, I believe there is a strong chance by simply doing these things, that we could possibly Find Joshua Guimond.
     
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