MN MN - New Scandia Twp & St Paul, Bone Lake & Pig's Eye Lake, WhtFem 30-65, UP7308, head/foot, Jun'93

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  1. Piknik

    Piknik Well-Known Member

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    Are there any other known cases where a person was dismembered and spread into bodies of water over a 40 mile area?
     
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  2. Piknik

    Piknik Well-Known Member

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    I'll ask again. Any other murders where confirmed body parts were spread over 30 to 40 miles?
     
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  3. YaYa_521

    YaYa_521 Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Where can I find a link that shows Laurie's been ruled out? I don't see it on either Laurie's or UID's NamUs profile. Is there another database that shows ruleouts for MN UID's?

    TIA
     
  4. Piknik

    Piknik Well-Known Member

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    I received that rule out via email from one of the Washington County detectives on the case.
     
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    Tyvm for this info.
     
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  6. Piknik

    Piknik Well-Known Member

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    I'll see if I can get Washington County to submit that info to Nameus.
     
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    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    Page last updated February 26th, 2020.

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    #UP7308
    Female
    White / Caucasian
    Date Body Found: June 12, 1993
    Location Found: New Scandia Twp, Minnesota
    Estimated Age Range: 30-65 Years


    Case Information

    Case Numbers
    NCMEC Number: --
    ME/C Case Number: 93-638

    Demographics
    Sex: Female
    Race / Ethnicity: White / Caucasian

    Possible First Name: --
    Possible Middle Name: --
    Possible Last Name: --
    Possible Nickname: --

    Estimated Age Group: Adult - Pre 70
    Estimated Age Range (Years): 30-65
    Estimated Year of Death: 1993
    Estimated PMI: Days

    Height: Cannot Estimate
    Weight: Cannot Estimate


    Circumstances
    Type: Unidentified Deceased
    Date Body Found: June 12, 1993

    NamUs Case Created: June 22, 2010
    ME/C QA Reviewed: June 21, 2011

    Location Found Map
    Location: New Scandia Twp, Minnesota
    County: Washington County
    GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped): --
    Found On Tribal Land: --

    Circumstances of Recovery:
    Above address for location of head. Left foot recovered from the North side of the Mississippi River 935 Childs Rd. N., St. Paul, Minnesota.

    Details of Recovery
    Inventory of Remains:
    - Torso not recovered
    - One or more limbs not recovered
    - One or both hands not recovered​

    Condition of Remains: Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction


    Physical Description
    Hair Color: Brown
    Head Hair Description: Dark brown to black, possibly in a "spiked" pattern
    Body Hair Description: --
    Facial Hair Description: --

    Left Eye Color: Brown
    Right Eye Color: Brown
    Eye Description: --

    Distinctive Physical Features
    Item: Finger and toe nails
    Description: small amount of red nail polish on nails of the 4-5th toe nails

    Item: Piercing
    Description: both ears pierced


    Clothing and Accessories
    No Information Entered
     
  8. Piknik

    Piknik Well-Known Member

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    LE has yet to confirm the foot and head are of the same person.
     
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    @Piknik, since you have been emailing WA County, do you want to ask the County if they have the other "computer enhanced" photo? It would be interesting to see, and I think helpful to get another angle/image of her. (I wonder about a PM too, it sounds like she was very recognizable and recently deceased)

    I assume there is good DNA based on the facts and circumstances in this case.

    It seems solvable with the DNA and if we get another composite.
     
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  10. JupiterAmmon

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    The reason LE apparently made the computer-enhanced photo was because the drawing (presumably the one we have?) was not detailed enough. Here is a quote from one of the Star Tribune articles I posted earlier:

    I wonder what details we are missing if this one is not detailed enough. Let me know if you contact them Piknik, otherwise I might possibly.
     
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    I was able to get a hold of the "computer-enhanced" image (albeit in B&W microfiche).

    *********** WARNING: It is quite disturbing. **********
     

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  13. JupiterAmmon

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    I am not sure how helpful it can be, besides seeing something more life-like. Her mouth is open, obscuring her resting face shape. It reminds me a bit of Caravaggio's painting of Medusa.

    I can see maybe why they didn't add it to the Doe Network or Namus page.
     
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    Do you all think her eyelids are supposed to be opened or closed in the "computer-enhanced" image? I am having trouble reading the shadows.
     
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    Fuuro spicy user

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    This is an interesting discovery. How did you find / gain access to this photo?

    Also, I think that her eyes are supposed to be open. She appears to be looking aimlessly and in different directions, so I wonder if her eyes are also open in the true postmortem photos.
     
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    Star Tribune newspaper microfiche of the July 8, 1993 article quoted on the previous page. (attached here in whole, with image).

    I thought her eyes were open as well, but I was confused why they would be going in different directions, like you say, especially in an "enhanced" image.
     

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    Tabirey Music Addict

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    I agree, quite disturbing. I seriously have no words for this that don't disparage the artist that created this.
    I wonder if we could get one of our talented members like @CarlK90245 or @coffeeandacig to update the original sketch? (Pretty please?)
     
  18. devertere

    devertere Well-Known Member

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    The poor woman. I'm wondering if the spot on her forehead is a birthmark or just due to printing/microfiche. It seems unlikely that it would be forgotten on the sketch, but then again, doing a drawing of her was probably a pretty disturbing task.

    edit: I wonder if they missed out on some other body parts, the place seems ideal to spread them out....

    Screenshot_20210123-084630.png
     
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  19. devertere

    devertere Well-Known Member

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    Doe Network on UID:

    123UFMN


    -----

    Uuuh... you guys....

    In Wisconsin and Minnesota, 2-3hrs from St. Paul a couple of bodies with severed body parts turned up in the 1980's/90's.. could be related. So far I found:

    Terry A. Dolowy, missing since Feb 14, 1985:
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    Her headless body was found in La Crosse, WI Feb 19, 1985:
    The Doe Network: 873UFWI

    UID, found May, 1984 in Westby, WI:
    Wrists were severed.
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) *WARNING POSTMORTEM*
    261UFWI

    Cindy Carol Larson is listed as an MP since Nov, 1995 from Caledonia, MN with Circumstance "Homicide victim found in Missouri River":
    I'm making an educated guess that part of her is still missing....
    3773DFMN - Cindy Carol Larson


    edit: UID, only skull/mandible, found in Houlton, WI in Oct, 2002. Only 25 min to St. Paul!!
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
     
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  20. victoriarobinson642

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    Would one be able to calculate a rough estimate of a person's height from their foot length? I know very little about that area of forensics.
     

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