Those vehicles were parked in front of the neighbor's house on his side of the street which makes sense because cars have to be parked in the direction street traffic is flowing. The neighbor may have cleared the snow trying to figure out who they belonged to.
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Why do you think that?The car was parked in front of the neighbours but I think the truck was across the road in front of JW's facing the opposite way from the car?
Why do you think that?
He was just stating the fact that the case had not been turned over to the homicide division, and they weren't involved at all.
Also, IMO, he was stating that fact to reassure ordinary people that this wasn't some kind of massacre on a quiet suburban street in KC.
IMO, he wasn't speaking to the true crime community.
And obviously, if things change, the strategy could change. He was speaking in the present tense, not in the future tense.
IMO, this story will disappoint a lot of true crime fans who were hoping for a juicy case.
JMO
I think might be a situation where the Chief just felt compelled to say something and did without being careful about his words. He should have said very little. I think this is going to be a homicide investigation of some sort.
Is it a "juicy" case? I'm not sure what that means. I think it may well be a very very important case that needs to stay in the news. Fentanyl is killing a staggering amount of people that don't need to die.
Come now. Investigators are human. Anyone who has the vaguest knowledge of law and order or crime and punishment knows there are countless cases where police "fumbled the investigation early on," "dropped the ball," "jumped to conclusions," "got tunnel vision" or where "the crime scene was compromised." Etc, etc. IMO
I always keep in mind the police know far more than the public. But sometimes we can see mistakes happening in real time, like with the McStay family and Gabby Petito cases. It's unsettling and disheartening to me.
The Chief of Police said it's "100% not being investigated as a homicide."
We can speculate why he said it, but IMO what he said is quite different than your interpretation of it.
You may be correct about his reasoning, but IMO it was an odd statement for him to make.
If we are to take what he said as the literal truth, it was an irresponsible approach to the case, IMO.
It's in the "present tense" where the scene is fresh and IMO investigative measures should NOT be taken off the table in case, as you said, "things change."
His comment (imo) and my opinion of it has nothing to do with "true crime community" or "true crime fans" or how much experience a detective has.
Police come onto a scene where three people are dead and they don't know why. IMO an experienced investigator knows that in such situations, it's better to use all investigative tools - rather than emphatically decide right then and there to take investigative measures related to homicides completely off the table.
Personally, I think it's possible this is a case of fentanyl poisoning. I don't know much about it, but I know there have been increasing similar cases in the last couple of years. If that's the case here, I don't know if there will be attempts to trace it back, or if it will be a Fed or local case.
But in such cases I would think it's possible it could end up being classified as "homicide."
I'm not laying blame on JW. I don't know enough about the case to make that judgment.
I was referring to it in the sense of true crime: no matter how often you squeeze, new details come out, lots of unanswered questions but leaks and rumours to speculate about , highly detailed to occupy interesting podcasts and videos etc.
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This ^^^
Agree 100%. Thanks for putting my thoughts so well into words, lol!
Disagree. There was no "proclamation." Investigations always proceed from "belief." What else would they proceed from?
How do you know they didn't have immediate, preliminary tox results? In a place where Fentanyl deaths were 850 in one year, the year or two before, of course they have tox results. LE has to have testing or they'd be subject to some deadly effects themselves.
"Possible" is not the domain of LE. They did not "decide." They know they are part of a system - where the decisions lie elsewhere (the Judicial process of making an arrest).
"No signs of homicide" has a meaning in LE (nation-wide). It's not a random use of words.
Saying something is wrong for all LE agencies, when there are widespread protocols, is really odd, to me.
Proclamation:
A public or official announcement, especially one dealing with a matter of great importance. (Oxford Dictionary.)
KC Chief of Police at press conference:
"100% not being investigated as a homicide."
I understand he may have said that to "calm the public," but I'm basing my opinion on his definitive, literal words.
Indeed, the police know more than we do and they have policies, procedures, knowledge, experience, etc. But there was a lot they admittedly did not know at that time (and possibly still don't.)
It's strange to me in that situation with so many bizarre circumstances and unknowns that all investigative measures related to homicide would immediately be taken completely off the table.
Proclamation:
A public or official announcement, especially one dealing with a matter of great importance. (Oxford Dictionary.)
KC Chief of Police at press conference:
"100% not being investigated as a homicide."
I understand he may have said that to "calm the public," but I'm basing my opinion on his definitive, literal words.
Indeed, the police know more than we do and they have policies, procedures, knowledge, experience, etc. But there was a lot they admittedly did not know at that time (and possibly still don't.)
It's strange to me in that situation with so many bizarre circumstances and unknowns that all investigative measures related to homicide would immediately be taken completely off the table.
BBM. I will be shocked if LE are not attempting to trace the source of the illegal fentanyl AND cocaine. But there also is no evidence that I have seen that indicates the men did NOT voluntarily ingest it and that JW even knew about it.Come now. Investigators are human. Anyone who has the vaguest knowledge of law and order or crime and punishment knows there are countless cases where police "fumbled the investigation early on," "dropped the ball," "jumped to conclusions," "got tunnel vision" or where "the crime scene was compromised." Etc, etc. IMO
I always keep in mind the police know far more than the public. But sometimes we can see mistakes happening in real time, like with the McStay family and Gabby Petito cases. It's unsettling and disheartening to me.
The Chief of Police said it's "100% not being investigated as a homicide."
We can speculate why he said it, but IMO what he said is quite different than your interpretation of it.
You may be correct about his reasoning, but IMO it was an odd statement for him to make.
If we are to take what he said as the literal truth, it was an irresponsible approach to the case, IMO.
It's in the "present tense" where the scene is fresh and IMO investigative measures should NOT be taken off the table in case, as you said, "things change."
His comment (imo) and my opinion of it has nothing to do with "true crime community" or "true crime fans" or how much experience a detective has.
Police come onto a scene where three people are dead and they don't know why. IMO an experienced investigator knows that in such situations, it's better to use all investigative tools - rather than emphatically decide right then and there to take investigative measures related to homicides completely off the table.
Personally, I think it's possible this is a case of fentanyl poisoning. I don't know much about it, but I know there have been increasing similar cases in the last couple of years. If that's the case here, I don't know if there will be attempts to trace it back, or if it will be a Fed or local case.
But in such cases I would think it's possible it could end up being classified as "homicide."
I'm not laying blame on JW. I don't know enough about the case to make that judgment.
I understood he checked himself in for treatment for alcoholism not drug addiction.Even if JW was more than "a casual user" of alcohol or weed, so far, we've seen no evidence JW was a casual user of any Illegal drugs such as cocaine and fentanyl.
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I agree, in fact, I’d have broken in much sooner after having no response when calling my partner’s phone the day after if I go round to the house where the get together was & his car is still parked in the street!I have to be honest, I'm very surprised by all the people who wouldn't break in. I'd have a credit card in that door slot so fast and be popped and in before a wine glass could have been picked up I don't care about a breaking and entering charges, BUT in 14 years my partner has never not come home or been home when he said he was going to be and I've been to jail (for a day, I didn't like it but I could survive a day for a B&E charge until it got worked out)
I was coming here to say that. I hope that somehow they know.Well here we are. The Chiefs won an exciting Super Bowl and, sadly, these fellas weren't here to see it. The choices we make.
that's what I thought I remembered from the video
the news showed the neighbour's video
it took forever but I finally found the video:
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Chiefs fans found dead had fentanyl and coke in system: report
A toxicology report discovered the three Kansas City Chiefs fans and friends found dead at their HIV scientist friend's home had fentanyl, cocaine and other illegal drugs in their system.www.dailymail.co.uk