MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

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  1. imamaze

    imamaze Former Member

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    An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Thursday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.
    Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.
    Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

    Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.

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    Please remember the rules. We are not sleuthing random people. Mom and Dad only. We are not talking about parentage or anything else regarding any of the children.
    Follow MSM lead and don't accuse anyone not named in MSM as a suspect.
    Do not post rumors from Facebook, blogs or other sources. If you can't link you cannot discuss.

    Please continue here...
     
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  3. Peliman

    Peliman New Member

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    Hello Oriah, only thing mentioned far as I know MSM is they used tracking dogs. I'm led to believe it wasn't helpful in tracking her and was used on a wednesday. I'm unsure which day/morning she was reported missing.
     
  4. elepher50

    elepher50 Help find Adji

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    http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3195138/police-now-interviewing-baby-lisa.html
     
  5. elepher50

    elepher50 Help find Adji

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    Please let this be the day that a lead is produced to find little Lisa.
     
  6. ~n/t~

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    I'm very surprised the FBI is not offering a reward.
     
  7. abstr

    abstr Well-Known Member

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    I slept for a few hours and missed 10 pages or something. Is there anything HUGE i missed?
     
  8. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    This post is a collection of "Do we know that?"s. It seems to me that we are making some conclusions on the basis of assumptions that we don't have confirmed.

    Please can someone refresh my recollection if we do have confirmation of some of these things?

    I'm not sure she couldn't, she is big for her age if her stats are true and it's been noted that the crib floor was rather high so she might have climbed or fallen IMO, and she's old enough to crawl or walk. One of the brothers could have taken her from the crib as well, or she might have fallen asleep somewhere else and the mom just forgot to tuck her in the crib. Maybe the mom knew none of this happened but the dad wouldn't have if he just came home. So the search makes sense to me.



    Do we know that there were cadaver dogs and if we do, do we know they didn't pick up anything?



    I don't see it quite like that. There are some what if's in that IMO. If the dogs not barking are a problem supposing the mother did it it applies to an intruder even more so in my opinion. The dogs would be accustomed to Lisa's mother's scent so they might not feel alarmed. Even so, they might have barked if they sensed any unusual activity, if they're the barking type.

    But just because the mother said so, we can't be sure that the dogs didn't bark. Do we know what the neighbors said about it? Maybe they did but the mother slept through it, because she was dead tired or under medication or maybe she played it down because she knew what the dogs were barking at (her?), or maybe everyone in the neighborhood is so accustomed to the dogs barking at night for whatever reason that they never pay any attention to them any more and don't feel the need to be alarmed.

    The children not waking up is not a problem to me. Some children are very heavy sleepers. My six and nine year olds are very hard to wake up so I wouldn't find it strange that they didn't. And again, IMO, if we think mom can't have done anything because the children didn't wake up we should IMO think an intruder can't have done anything for the same reason. I am not even sure that the children didn't wake up. Maybe they did and that's why the boy was in mom's bed.

    IMO, the neighbors might not think twice about any cars pulling up either. If the father or someone else in the neighborhood had worked nights it might have been a regular occurrence and nothing to bat an eyelid about, and again, some people are heavy sleepers and would not even wake up to a car quietly driving near their home. I can hear cars at night if I'm awake in the kitchen but if I'm in my bedroom at the back yard side I don't hear a thing, particularly if all the bedroom doors are closed. And do we even know what the neighbors said about cars? Maybe someone did hear something.




    I certainly would. But maybe they've been asked not to talk about the call in public? It doesn't seem like LE wants it made common knowledge.


    Yes but what you put a baby to sleep with and what people secretly carry them away from the home in might be two different things.


    Your children must be light sleepers. I have been able to do quite a few things without waking my children up. Do we know that a trace of evidence wasn't left behind? Maybe that's why they said they suspect her.


    Do we know that they didn't?

    IDK, even if the mother confesses to accidentally killing her child after trying to get away with an abduction story I tend to be sceptical. Was it really accidental or is it just another lie? But I don't necessarily think that one has to be of sound mind to stage a plan that appears to be hinky to a number of people, including LE. I suppose it's possible but if someone was of sound mind and concocted a brilliant plan to cover for the accident we wouldn't know about it since we'd think the intruder did it.
     
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    I think they aren't offering a reward because they basically "know" what happened. They're just collecting more data to prove their case.
     
  10. Gardenlady

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    So far in reading back I don't see anything big...
     
  11. ~n/t~

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    They may but until they have a suspect, I don't see why they can't do a parallel investigation. Who knows. Maybe someone will TALK.
     
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    Was a reward offered in Aliayah Lunsford case? I check there for updates but haven't seen a reward in that case either.

    hmmmm
     
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    Hi Sleuthers :)

    I saw a video link to info about the mother's past, but I got distracted, lost it and can't seem to track it down again.

    Anyone have it handy?
     
  14. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    TGIRecovered Well-Known Member

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    The window-

    When I was busy caring for little ones my hands were always full when leaving the house and returning. Quite often, I accidentally locked myself out of the house or car. I had a favorite window I used to get back inside without having to call my hubby to bring me his keys. I wonder if the window that had the screen pushed in was big enough for a six or nine year old child to go through if he had a boost from Mom? It is much easier to send a child through the window so they can unlock ther door. I wonder if Mom went somewhere in a hurry that night? It wouldn't be hard to hide the baby in a laundry basket or duffel bag. (Sorry!)

    Another possibility is that the dog might have heard a commotion inside and tried to get in through the screen if he is tall enough to reach it with his paws. Labs can be pretty large.
     
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    I'm very surprised the FBI still doesn't have Lisa listed as kidnapped/abducted. I keep checking every day, but... nothing:

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/@@wanted-group-listing

    So, it doesn't surprise me they're not offering a reward.

    Is any LE agency or Crime Stoppers or anything offering a reward yet?
     
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    BeanE Inactive

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    Clayton_Sandell Clayton Sandell
    Busy AM in baby Lisa Irwin's neighborhood. 6 live trucks so far. Everyone hoping for new leads. yfrog.com/h0j7xfmj
    16 minutes ago

    Clayton Sandell
    @Clayton_Sandell Denver, CO
    ABC News Digital Correspondent based in Denver Colorado.
    http://twitter.com/#!/clayton_sandell
     
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    Good morning everyone! Happy Sunday. :)

    Praying today is the day Lisa is found safe!!
     
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