MS MS - Olive Branch, WhtFem 369UFMS, 30-35, near Coldwater River, Jan'85

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  1. tifflee

    tifflee New Member

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    I did a search for this Jane Doe but did not find anything in the UID forum. Apologies ahead of time if it is a duplicate.

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 369UFMS


    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/369ufms.html

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    Reconstruction of Victim

    Unidentified White Female
    The victim was discovered on January 24, 1985 in Desoto County, Mississippi

    Vital Statistics
    * Estimated age: 30-35 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 130 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Dark blonde to strawberry blonde hair. Short to medium length & wavy. Grey eyes. Freckled complexion. Small frame. Tattoos: Right ankle ~T.H.C., Left Ankle ~ R.C.J. 12 cm. diagonal scar on back of left forearm. Scar on left hand's PIP joint, on second and third Fingers 1.5 and 2 cm. Scars on base of thumb.
    * Dentals: Available
    * Clothing: A light peach-colored blouse and blue jeans.
    * Fingerprints:Not available
    * DNA: Not available

    Case History
    The victim was located on U.S. 78, Southeast of Olive Branch, MS., west of the rest area. The body was spotted about 7:30am, January 24, just east of the Coldwater river bridge, by a southbound truck driver, who subsequently notified authorities.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Desoto County Sheriffs Department
    Commander Blackston
    901-527-6581
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
     
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  3. tifflee

    tifflee New Member

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    I could not find this UID on NamUs. I did find two articles on the case from 2001 and 2002.

    The first requires a subscription so perhaps someone with access can read the full article at some point. Article access link here.
    Here is another article. It gives more details on the tattoos - possibly homemade?

    It also seems to contradict the age given on Doe Network or maybe I am reading this wrong. Maybe it is the other victims who are in their early to mid-20s and this Jane Doe is still estimated to be 30-35?
     
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    tifflee New Member

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    Cubby fly the W!

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    webrocket New Member

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    to me the telltale feature here is the gray eyes. not a common color. looking at Namus for missing females with gray eyes and I came up with only one who seems like a remotely possible match Faye Self, missing from Louisiana on March 31, 1983. Faye is a little shorter than the UID and 20 pounds lighter in weight. Faye's hair color is deceiving as she had dyed it:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1370/0/

    Assuming the missing person's family reported the eyes as blue, there is this far better match with Kathleen Randall, who lived a transient lifestyle, regularly hitchhiking and she had a drug and alcohol problem. she was last known alive in the fall of 1982. Her height is correct (estimated between 5'3 and 5'5") and the weight is not far off either (estimated at 120). she would have been about 28 on the date the UID was discovered.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/715/5/
     
  8. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    Both reasonable possibilities webrocket. I think the date last seen for Faye would probably put her out of the range for this Jane as authorities were able to determine eye color. The recon isn't great. I would consider submitting Kathleen. Even if she wasn't known to have tat's when she was last seen, she could have gotten them at a later date.

    jmo
     
  9. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Is there any indication whether she's given birth? Could the two tattoos with different sets of initials be her children?
     
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    tifflee New Member

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    I was thinking of emailing some questions to Commander Mark Blackson who is mentioned in the articles and listed as the contact on Doe Network (typo on the "Commander Blackston," I think), but unfortunately, it looks like he was forced out by his department when they found a replacement for him while he was deployed to Iraq.

    It is unfortunate since it seems like he was really dedicated to the case. In one article linked before, he said:
    After this development in the case, I guess there is no specific contact person to reach out to.
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    that explains why when I went to the website for the DeSoto County Sheriff there was no option to send him an email.
     
  12. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    There are two postmortem photos now available in NamUs for this UID.

    Warning - Postmortem Photo At Link
    https://identifyus.org/cases/8675

    Her facial structure was quite different from the facial reconstruction.

    ETA:
    She does look alot like Kathleen Randall.

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    ETA (Again):
    The Postmortem photo aligns nearly perfectly to Kathleen's photo when you superimpose them over one another.

    I sent in an e-mail to Candace Coleman of the DeSoto County Coroner's office.
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    thanks for submitting Carl. time will tell. I hope someone responds. I do see the facial similarities - both the UID and Kathleen have very full faces and the noses look the same.

    what a difference seeing the actual photo makes. the recon at Doe Network bears little resemblance to the actual deceased.
     
  14. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Here's my recon of this Jane Doe:

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    After a couple of hours of focusing on the photo, I am doubting a bit that She's Kathleen Randall.
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    anything in particular Carl?

    if it is Kathleen, you have to keep in mind that 1. it is not clear when the picture in her profile was taken and 2. from what info is available, she drank heavily which will prematurely age one's appearance.
     
  16. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Although the photo of Jane Doe's teeth is not real clear, it doesn't appear that her front teeth (8&9) are gapped, as Kathleen's 8&9 appear to be. Also, Kathleen's nose is a little bit broader at the base.

    There is also that intangible sense that it just doesn't look quite right. I did submit though, so hopefully they will take the submission seriously.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    The Jane Doe's teeth look chipped more than gapped to me. But that's a question for a forensic dentist to look at -- your reconstruction is looking very good.
     
  18. tifflee

    tifflee New Member

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    Thanks for the reconstruction, CarlK!

    Here is Jane Doe's Find A Grave Memorial page: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11368527. I am glad to see flowers on her resting place. Somehow it makes me feel better to know that she has not been without visitors.

    The page does not add much new information besides an uncited tidbit on the murder weapon ("An autopsy has disclosed the woman was strangled with a narrow object."), but I wanted to add it to the list of links related to her here.
     
  19. tamar

    tamar New Member

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    Here is my take on "Olive" Doe
     

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    webrocket New Member

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    I checked the Namus page again and it says that it was last modified on June 1, 2011. it is not known what was modified but there is a second picture of the deceased which I don't recall seeing earlier. it is a side view of her face.

    for whatever it is worth, she does have thin eyebrows like Kathleen as well as high and full cheeks.

    as of this point in time there are 10 rule-outs, but I have no way of knowing if that is the same number that existed when the thread was started:

    Darcy Brown
    Peggy Byars-Baisden
    Evelyn Hartley
    Mary Little
    Mary Mclaughlin
    Betty Roberts
    Doris SCANDALIS
    Beverly Sharpman
    Floradean Walker
    Mildred Zentner
     
  21. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    I think this UID does look like Kathleen Randall. Here is her Charley Page. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/randall_kathleen.html

    Kathleen is to have had extensive dental work with her two front teeth capped.

    Kathleen is listed as having blue eyes
    The UID Coroner's Report has the eye color listed as brown. The Autopsy report has the eye color listed as gray. ....

    My eyes are blue, but sometimes they look gray. I was told I look like I have "wolf eyes" by my husband, nice huh!

    Carl,

    Did you ever hear back from Candace Coleman of the DeSoto County Coroner's office?
     

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