MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 10/31/11

[mck16]

This is getting ridiculous. None of us has much "real" information on this case. We have a few statements which have been scrutinized to death, and many assumptions made based on those. Presumably, JT has much more *official* information than we do. He has direct access to LE, and while they may not tell him everything, they certainly have told him more than they have to US.

So, to automatically assume that JT is LYING, when his information does not match our cobbled-together assumptions is taking things a bit over the edge, IMO.

You don't have to believe every word he says, and, healthy skepticism is warranted, but to just discount everything he says is completely unfair. Lawyers do have ways of saying things that "imply" something - for example saying the boys have been interviewed for 5 hours... could easily mean 5 hours "between them" and 5 hours of police PLUS independent interviews. But he is not going to out-and-out lie about it.

JT has a reputation to maintain. And his reputation will go straight to crap if he starts telling bald-faced lies. He's not going to risk that for any client.

Very logical post and I agree with it totally. LE is the only one who has any answers and they are not revealing those. They have even said that they have known about the video and the sightings for a long time and have been following up on them. I really don't think there is much information we can share with LE that they don't already know. And I am sure there is much more we have not heard. jmo

 

[JeannaT]

I'm hoping a wealthy benefactor will step up to the plate and hire a victims advocates attorney for Baby Lisa....She is the one who is desperately in need of someone to advocate for her.JMHO

Well, that's sort of what Bill Stanton's role is - to advocate for Lisa, whatever direction that takes his investigation in.

I don't see how Lisa needs an attorney right now - no one knows where she is, and LE isn't trying to impinge on her rights or charge her with a crime.

 

[Abby Normal]

BBM: I wonder if this is a hint? :waitasec: I wonder of he knows the truth??

Also, he says the boys were interviewed for 5 hours... I wonder if he is adding in the hours that they were "interviewed" by him then... the LE only interviewed one boy for 30 and the other one for 50...

I'm not a lawyer, so feel free to ask in that thread and discount me. But IME working with children from abuse and neglect, nobody ever interviews the child unless that is their job/profession. It would be a HUGE mistake for a defense attorney or his team to even go there, and I can't imagine any lawyer risking his reputation in that.

JT is a smooth talker, but he's not an idiot.

JMO

 

[Karmaa]

If the parents are guilty, yes. But until they are proven guilty, the family is victim to a crime. If your child were taken, you would be a victim to the criminal's crime.

Basically what JT is saying IMO is that he is here as long as she's not charged. I suspect he's not going to represent them if they are charged.

BBM. Exactly! If these parents did something, it will come out eventually. But if they DIDN'T - if they are truly innocent, they are victims, and the media and public sentiment that they are monsters, is darned near sadistic.

People need to imagine themselves in that situation. Your baby has been stolen, and you are innocent. And the lynch mobs are forming at your door, demanding that you be dragged out and arrested. And every word you say, no matter how out-of-it you are with grief or even medication for your stress, is scrutinized by well-meaning people. AND no one is really trying to help quell the horrid rumors, because the focus is on finding your baby.

I am NOT saying that scenario is true. But IF it is, then these parents are going through a hell none of us can imagine. To not give them the benefit of the doubt, especially when we really have no *official* information, is just cruel, IMO.

If they are guilty, it will come out eventually, and I will be as much on the bandwagon to punish them -and HARSHLY- as anyone else. But if it turns out they actually are innocent, there is no way to un-say the hateful things that are being said.

 

[luckyme]

Yes they most certainly do! I have personal experience with this. My experience was cleared up rather fast, but YES they do start right out with the accusations!

I agree. been there too. mine was cleared up too. You just have to tell the facts and truth! moo

 

[nursebeeme]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45103...or-tours-home-missing-baby-lisa/#.Tq66hnN9GXw

BS toured the home this morning

 

[Mirage]

I had heard a couple times way earlier the "Five hours" remark about the boys being questioned. I also have no idea if this was KCPD or FBI or child specialists or whatever.... but it seems to me regardless of who it was asking the questions, the boys have had ample opportunity to hang Deborah out to dry if they in fact know much that is substantial. Now, on the other hand, I certainly do believe that they need to be questioned again, and asked about new things that have come to light.

 

[luckyme]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45103...or-tours-home-missing-baby-lisa/#.Tq66hnN9GXw

BS toured the home this morning

So is this why cyndi is gone? He wanted to take nbc through the home? moo:twocents:

 

[jjenny]

I had heard a couple times way earlier the "Five hours" remark about the boys being questioned. I also have no idea if this was KCPD or FBI or child specialists or whatever.... but it seems to me regardless of who it was asking the questions, the boys have had ample opportunity to hang Deborah out to dry if they in fact know much that is substantial. Now, on the other hand, I certainly do believe that they need to be questioned again, and asked about new things that have come to light.

Well I heard it was 30 and 50 minutes. I find it hard to believe a five year old would be interviewed for 5 hours.

 

[SyraKelly]

To get on national TV and say KCPD- accused a mother (who they know nothing about) who is in the corner crying,trembling and scared to death for her child of a crime-all in one hr is just wrong!! No-I was not there-but I can not see a PO treating anyone like that! That behavior is very cold hearted and callous!! I can not imagine how the PO feel about these defense lawyers accusing them of that kind of behavior towards a woman in that condition!!
JMO

 

[SilkySifaka]

If the parents are guilty, yes. But until they are proven guilty, the family is victim to a crime. If your child were taken, you would be a victim to the criminal's crime.

Basically what JT is saying IMO is that he is here as long as she's not charged. I suspect he's not going to represent them if they are charged.

he may or may not stay with them if charged, but he is definitely not unknown as a victims advocate. I bet most people who are denouncing him as nothing but a publicity hog would have cheered him when he represented Imette St. Guillen's family in their civil suit against the federal government. Or advised Annie Le's family during the criminal trial and might be handling a civil case of theirs.

Defense attorneys defend their clients. In Tacopina's case his clients run the gamut from the innocent to the guilty, from police officers to rape victims. Which is more than can be said about some other defense attorneys who only represent those charged. (not that i see anything wrong with that either)

jmo

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

BBM. Exactly! If these parents did something, it will come out eventually. But if they DIDN'T - if they are truly innocent, they are victims, and the media and public sentiment that they are monsters, is darned near sadistic.

People need to imagine themselves in that situation. Your baby has been stolen, and you are innocent. And the lynch mobs are forming at your door, demanding that you be dragged out and arrested. And every word you say, no matter how out-of-it you are with grief or even medication for your stress, is scrutinized by well-meaning people. AND no one is really trying to help quell the horrid rumors, because the focus is on finding your baby.

I am NOT saying that scenario is true. But IF it is, then these parents are going through a hell none of us can imagine. To not give them the benefit of the doubt, especially when we really have no *official* information, is just cruel, IMO.

If they are guilty, it will come out eventually, and I will be as much on the bandwagon to punish them -and HARSHLY- as anyone else. But if it turns out they actually are innocent, there is no way to un-say the hateful things that are being said.

BBM. For starters, I would not be refusing to cooperate with LE and refusing to allow my children to be interviewed. But hey, that's just me. MOO.

 

[SyraKelly]

Yes they most certainly do! I have personal experience with this. My experience was cleared up rather fast, but YES they do start right out with the accusations!

not ALL officers are like that-I do not know what your situation was-but this is a very very serious crime and I just can not believe they would just walk in and accused someone of hurting or kidnapping a child without investigating in an hour!!

 

[grandmaj]

In an interview last week with NBC News , Lisa’s mother, Deborah Bradley, said the boys heard something the night Lisa disappeared, but she and Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, have been reluctant to allow further questioning because they didn’t want to put them through “anything else.”

Young said both boys were interviewed, one for about 30 minutes and the other about 50 minutes, on Oct. 4, the day Lisa was reported missing.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-half-brothers-to-be-questioned#ixzz1cNBXs04W

That is a far cry from five hours. I believe LE. Given JT and BS's propensity to stretch the truth.

 

[Abby Normal]

LE HAS to be cold and callous IMO, if they were empathetic to perps, they would all be free.

Police are hard on you to get answers. Even O'Brien, who is a professor at law without a vested interest (he was only taken on as temporary counsel for one interview) said they were heavy handed. You don't get a confession by asking nicely, so they're just doing their job.

I have no trouble imagining LE doing this, and at the same time I don't think LE is evil. So I'm not sure what that makes me.

 

[SilkySifaka]

So is this why cyndi is gone? He wanted to take nbc through the home? moo:twocents:

umm no. It was the first time BS got to see inside it.

Cameras were not allowed inside the house in this instance,

 

[mck16]

So is this why cyndi is gone? He wanted to take nbc through the home? moo:twocents:

What??? Where did you get this information? tia

 

[dog.gone.cute]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-parents-keeping-low-profile-14848745

I just re-watched the GMA video with BS ...

So ... BS is standing out at a location of one of the "witness sightings" asking LE and volunteers to come to this area to search because "IN HIS OPINION" -- Bill Stanton's opinion -- this is "the last place Lisa was seen alive" ...

So Bill -- what do you mean by "the last place Lisa was seen alive" ?
So Bill -- does this mean she is NOT alive ?
So Bill -- what do Bill REALLY you know ?


IMO ... BS is DESPERATELY TRYING to "SHIFT" the focus from DB/JI to an "unknown person" ... sorry Bill -- I am NOT "buying it" !

IMO ... BS is the one who is on a WILD GOOSE CHASE ...

MOO ...

 

[jjenny]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-parents-keeping-low-profile-14848745

I just re-watched the GMA video with BS ...

So ... BS is standing out at a location of one of the "witness sightings" asking LE and volunteers to come to this area to search because "IN HIS OPINION" -- Bill Stanton's opinion -- this is "the last place Lisa was seen alive" ...

So Bill -- what do you mean by "the last place Lisa was seen alive" ?
So Bill -- does this mean she is NOT alive ?
So Bill -- what do Bill REALLY you know ?


IMO ... BS is DESPERATELY TRYING to "SHIFT" the focus from DB/JI to an "unknown person" ... sorry Bill -- I am NOT "buying it" !

IMO ... BS is the one who is on a WILD GOOSE CHASE ...

MOO ...

Yea, cause motorcycle guy waiting about a week before contacting police and then picking a guy whose photo police were showing around is just so convincing of a witness.

 

[SilkySifaka]

LE HAS to be cold and callous IMO, if they were empathetic to perps, they would all be free.

Police are hard on you to get answers. Even O'Brien, who is a professor at law without a vested interest (he was only taken on as temporary counsel for one interview) said they were heavy handed. You don't get a confession by asking nicely, so they're just doing their job.

I have no trouble imagining LE doing this, and at the same time I don't think LE is evil. So I'm not sure what that makes me.

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