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tthoman
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Larry has become a cranky old man.............
NC - MacDonald family murders at Fort Bragg, 1970 - Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?
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azwriter
Sister Mary Wanna
Smellsarat,
You are right about the article on the Manson murders being in Jeff's home. It was in a Life or Look magazine found inside his house.
The writing on the headboard in his bedroom would be something picked up from that article.
I still believe he is GUILTY.
You are right about the article on the Manson murders being in Jeff's home. It was in a Life or Look magazine found inside his house.
The writing on the headboard in his bedroom would be something picked up from that article.
I still believe he is GUILTY.
Sunnmoon
New Member
Natural Selection - like the footnote at the bottom of your entry. (Will never forget your psychic and religious entries - you've made me think twice about these type of things)
Ft. Bragg is an open post, and yes at that time, drugs were used by many soldiers with a simple article 15 that followed sometimes. Ms. Stoeckley was a druggie, so was her boyfriend (an ex soldier), unfortunately most of the people who have "confessed" to this crime have died. So we may and probably won't ever know the truth.
So in regard to MacDonald his situation was very similar to Scott Peterson's. Simply convenient that their pregnant wives no longer exist along with the children they were carrying. How convenient for them to continue their lives with their mistresses and extravagant means of living in the lap of luxury????????
Both had boats, both had champagne tastes on beer budgets, many similarities.
Ft. Bragg is an open post, and yes at that time, drugs were used by many soldiers with a simple article 15 that followed sometimes. Ms. Stoeckley was a druggie, so was her boyfriend (an ex soldier), unfortunately most of the people who have "confessed" to this crime have died. So we may and probably won't ever know the truth.
So in regard to MacDonald his situation was very similar to Scott Peterson's. Simply convenient that their pregnant wives no longer exist along with the children they were carrying. How convenient for them to continue their lives with their mistresses and extravagant means of living in the lap of luxury????????
Both had boats, both had champagne tastes on beer budgets, many similarities.
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MissMisty
Guest
Dr. McDonald is innocent.
Misty
Misty
smellsarat
Former Member
I think he's guilty as did the jury and subsequent appeals courts.
Ivy
Inactive
Jeffy boy is GUILTY. He murdered his wife and two baby daughters. The BS he spews about Stobley (or whatever her name was) who confessed (she recanted her testimony again and again) to being the hippie woman in the wig that took part in the murders, was a drug addict and mentally unstable. Even her own mother said she was liar and no one should believe a word that came out her mouth.
McDonald says he refuses to apologize for playing golf two weeks after the vicious murders. After all, he says, as tragic as the murders were, he had a right to get on with his life.
McDonald is a sociopath. How can anyone not see that?
McDonald says he refuses to apologize for playing golf two weeks after the vicious murders. After all, he says, as tragic as the murders were, he had a right to get on with his life.
McDonald is a sociopath. How can anyone not see that?
azwriter
Sister Mary Wanna
Ditto Ivy,
Dr. McDonald is just looking for a new generation to BS about his unfair conviction. In his mind, of course he's innocent. This man has had many, many passes in front of the judicial system and look where he is now. Behind bars where he belongs.
Dr. McDonald is just looking for a new generation to BS about his unfair conviction. In his mind, of course he's innocent. This man has had many, many passes in front of the judicial system and look where he is now. Behind bars where he belongs.
tipper
Former Member
I read Fatal Justice. I think IF what it says is true, the man deserves a new trial because of prosecutorial misconduct.
Old Broad
New Member
So, what you're saying is to not believe this woman when she recanted her confession right?
About MacDonald playing golf, IMO this now reminds people to much of O.J., we can't believe any person who plays golf makes them guilty of murder. I'm sure also that there are many people who murder who never play golf!
It does not surprise me that someone would actually do things after a time when their family is killed. I remember when my brother died very suddenly, that night I was so upset and had to get out of the house, I drove up to the lake just to try and clear my head and trying to make sense of everything. Was my heart broken? Yes. Was I crying uncontrollably? Yes. People do not lock themselves up in a room when death happens. Some take longer than others to get back to their regular schedule, some take less, being in their regular schedule actually helps them! It's not like he went straight from the hospital to a strip club to have a lap dance.
smellsarat
Former Member
Its one thing when a loved one dies....But Jeff MacDonalds entire family WAS SLAUGHTERED.... IF that happened to me I think I'd be in a hospital or a padded room for awhile...NOT appearing on Dick Cavett preening like some celebrity....:nono:
nanandjim
Former Member
My vote is GUILTY, and he is where he belongs...
Wanted to add: Amazing how the intruders left him alive but brutally slaughtered the weaker and more defenseless members of the family...Doesn't make sense to me...
Wanted to add: Amazing how the intruders left him alive but brutally slaughtered the weaker and more defenseless members of the family...Doesn't make sense to me...
piper1
Inactive
Remember Barry Scheck also got off OJ!:fuming:
SisterSocks
What a wild and crazy trip its been
Yes I have and your point?
SisterSocks
What a wild and crazy trip its been
He is a sick *advertiser censored* ... HE IS GUILTY . The book with Manson had Lee Marvin on the cover and was laying under the over turned coffee table.
Toth
Inactive
I've always felt that guy was set up by the military and railroaded by the judge and prosecutor.
Its real bad because he seems to not only have asserted his innocence but actually identified the real killers and he was still convicted with some improper testimony from the forensics types as well.
Its real bad because he seems to not only have asserted his innocence but actually identified the real killers and he was still convicted with some improper testimony from the forensics types as well.
Ghostwheel
Pyrrhonist
Here's and interesting site.
Under Crime scene, it is claimed:
"The investigators claim the crime scene was staged.
They base this theory on the fact that the coffee table was found turned on its side, as opposed to on its top. Their theory is the table was "top heavy" and could not have landed on its side unless it was placed that way. The lead investigator, Bill Ivory, substantiated this theory by explaining the 30 times or more times investigators kicked the table, it always fell on its top
Before the hearing, Colonel Rock went to the crime scene to test Ivorys theory and reports. In the presence of witnesses, Colonel Rock kicked the coffee table. It fell on its side, hitting the rocking chair and resting on its edge.
Colonel Rock returned to the hearing to establish that his one kick, contrary to Ivorys claims, resulted in the coffee table coming to rest, exactly as seen in the crime scene photographs. Exactly as Ivory had claimed was impossible. "
Sunnmoon, did you hear about Colonel Rock?
Under Crime scene, it is claimed:
"The investigators claim the crime scene was staged.
They base this theory on the fact that the coffee table was found turned on its side, as opposed to on its top. Their theory is the table was "top heavy" and could not have landed on its side unless it was placed that way. The lead investigator, Bill Ivory, substantiated this theory by explaining the 30 times or more times investigators kicked the table, it always fell on its top
Before the hearing, Colonel Rock went to the crime scene to test Ivorys theory and reports. In the presence of witnesses, Colonel Rock kicked the coffee table. It fell on its side, hitting the rocking chair and resting on its edge.
Colonel Rock returned to the hearing to establish that his one kick, contrary to Ivorys claims, resulted in the coffee table coming to rest, exactly as seen in the crime scene photographs. Exactly as Ivory had claimed was impossible. "
Sunnmoon, did you hear about Colonel Rock?
Ghostwheel
Pyrrhonist
Here's an interesting site.
http://www.karisable.com/jmacd.htm
Under Crime scene, it is claimed:
"The investigators claim the crime scene was staged.
They base this theory on the fact that the coffee table was found turned on its side, as opposed to on its top. Their theory is the table was "top heavy" and could not have landed on its side unless it was placed that way. The lead investigator, Bill Ivory, substantiated this theory by explaining the 30 times or more times investigators kicked the table, it always fell on its top
Before the hearing, Colonel Rock went to the crime scene to test Ivorys theory and reports. In the presence of witnesses, Colonel Rock kicked the coffee table. It fell on its side, hitting the rocking chair and resting on its edge.
Colonel Rock returned to the hearing to establish that his one kick, contrary to Ivorys claims, resulted in the coffee table coming to rest, exactly as seen in the crime scene photographs. Exactly as Ivory had claimed was impossible. "
Sunnmoon, did you hear about Colonel Rock?
http://www.karisable.com/jmacd.htm
Under Crime scene, it is claimed:
"The investigators claim the crime scene was staged.
They base this theory on the fact that the coffee table was found turned on its side, as opposed to on its top. Their theory is the table was "top heavy" and could not have landed on its side unless it was placed that way. The lead investigator, Bill Ivory, substantiated this theory by explaining the 30 times or more times investigators kicked the table, it always fell on its top
Before the hearing, Colonel Rock went to the crime scene to test Ivorys theory and reports. In the presence of witnesses, Colonel Rock kicked the coffee table. It fell on its side, hitting the rocking chair and resting on its edge.
Colonel Rock returned to the hearing to establish that his one kick, contrary to Ivorys claims, resulted in the coffee table coming to rest, exactly as seen in the crime scene photographs. Exactly as Ivory had claimed was impossible. "
Sunnmoon, did you hear about Colonel Rock?
Ghostwheel
Pyrrhonist
This is interesting. I've never read up on this case before. It seems pretty odd that both the "mysterious woman" Stoekley and the man she says committed the murders Mitchell, both dies of cirrhosis of the liver within months of each other. Must have been heavy druggies.
The case is full of holes, though. It would make sense that he'd have fewer wounds, because he was stronger and could fight back. I didn't see reports of "barely wounded" though. I saw reports of a pretty good set of abdominal wounds and a punctured lung, as well as several other injuries. You don't usually puncture your lung if you're faking your own wounds. I need to read more.
The case is full of holes, though. It would make sense that he'd have fewer wounds, because he was stronger and could fight back. I didn't see reports of "barely wounded" though. I saw reports of a pretty good set of abdominal wounds and a punctured lung, as well as several other injuries. You don't usually puncture your lung if you're faking your own wounds. I need to read more.
Blazeboy3
Inactive
DITTO!; Well posted; a pregnant housewife/mother at that!!!I remember it being a boy that Collette was pregnant with when Jeff murdered her IMHO/....??? (FWIW...I've strayed away from my homebase(JonBenet) and have never posted anywhere else...this is new to me...forgive me?!
Toth
Inactive
There is an entire chapter devoted to how his wounds went from serious, life-threaning wounds to mere scratches over the course of the investigation.
Odd how wounds change their severity isn't it?
Odd how wounds change their severity isn't it?