Ned's Final Theory-Lou Smit are you still reading here?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Nedthan Johns, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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    Here is Jameson's response to you regarding the exhumation of JonBenet's body-





    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID61/2451.html



    In the Nov 4, 2000 48 Hours interview when the idea of exhuming JonBenet's body to examine the wounds was brought up, John called it "a horrid thought". Sounds like he wasn't exactly gung-ho on this possible undertaking either.





    -Tea
     


  2. jubie

    jubie Former Member

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    Maybe JonBenet did go to bed and at some point before Patsy goes to bed herself she realizes JonBenet hadn't been told to go potty and goes to get her to the bathroom before she wets the bed but it's too late. Patsy has to deal with it and JonBenet isn't exactly cooperative because she's having a hard time waking up so soon after falling asleep....




    My daughter wakes up with a smile on her face but my son is a bear if he has to be woken up.




    Jubie
     
  3. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Rash: My guess is that there was indeed a chair blocking the room to the train room basement door at the time John carried down JB's body down and wanted to enter the room in the very early morning hours, way before the Ramseys called the police.
    For it is typical for liars to weave some elements of truth into their story, and imo this is such an element.

    Ned: I agree, I think he mixed up his story. But just not sure if JB carried JB down anywhere. I believe she was murdered in the basement.

    Rash: What John Ramseys said about the chair and also what he said about the basement window (that he found it open and closed it) implicates him in the crime.
    For which father whose child had just been abducted would merely close a possible entry window and not even mention the open window to the police at once??

    Ned: Completely agree!

    Rash: NJ, you asked why (the alleged super-detective) Lou Smit didn't catch John on this. Good question with only two possible answers imo:

    a) - the retired detective Lou Smit was already suffering from some kind of mental sclerosis which prevented his brain from drawing basic conclusions,

    or

    b) - Smit's agenda was to give both Ramseys a pass, and he acted accordingly, by e. g. deliberately turning a blind eye to incriminating circumstantial evidence involving them.

    Ned: I will have to defend Lou here, as I have always held a tremendous amount of respect for him. He actually did question JR regarding the chair. I wonder however after given the response that John did, how was Lou still convinced an intruder left that home through the window in the train room?
     
  4. Solace

    Solace New Member

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    Ned: I will have to defend Lou here, as I have always held a tremendous amount of respect for him. He actually did question JR regarding the chair. I wonder however after given the response that John did, how was Lou still convinced an intruder left that home through the window in the train room?[/QUOTE]
    I have to kick in here about Lou Smit. You are right he did question John about it, but he in no way presses him on it. Also, if you have seen the beginning of this interview process, it is really a travesty. It happened to come on and my son was there and he is just not into this case, certainly not the way you or I are, and he said - "look at how he is questioning him, why bother".

    He may as well have said John, this is just a formality, we'll have this done in no time. I believe you are innocent and I am running this interview.

    Lou Smit just does not believe they had anything to do with it and as S. Thomas said, LS had formed a close relationship with them when he should not have. His wife was going through cancer treatments at the same time as Patsy and he could relate to that. He probably is a very good detective. Just not in this case. IMO I mean I have never heard him address the inconsistencies in this case at all.

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE.
     
  5. Solace

    Solace New Member

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    Ned, what do you think happened that night. Do you think it was Patsy or John or both?
     
  6. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Solace: thanks so much for mentioning this!
    Wow!
    - So John Ramsey said he found a chair blocking the door to the train room when he went down to look for JB?
    - So per John, the intruder had already disappeared by the time he went down there, right?
    - But John Ramsey never said he himself put that chair back in front of the door.
    - Now how on earth did that chair end up blocking the train room door again unless John himself put it there?

    BULLSEYE, EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT. THIS PROVES THAT JOHN RAMSEY LIED AND WAS INVOLVED IN THIS CRIME IMO
     
  7. Chrishope

    Chrishope New Member

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    I agree, I'm just saying we don't really know these things as facts.
     
  8. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Ned: Ahhh you are on to something Sherlock….

    Charlie: If there are CS photos, it only proves the chair was there when the photo was taken. It didn't become a murder case until 1:05pm, and who knows when the photos were actually taken? If the photo was taken at 6 or 7 am then I'd say we have to wonder why FW and French didn't mention it. But since they didn't, and the photo was probably taken after 1pm, I think we have to wonder why the chair was there later, but not earlier.

    Ned: If there chair was there when the crime scene photos were taken, and NOT there when White and French entered that basement, then it could implicate JR into this crime when he disappeared around 10am. This is when more staging “could have” occurred. The chair wasn’t there, then it was.
     
  9. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    I can only thing the loops might have been used to hold her arms up onto something,esp with the way JB's arms were found above her head.Any thoughts anyone?


    Ned: Nothing to suggest this because there would have been livitiy in her arms and there was not. the livity was consistant with her coming to rest flat on her back, arms above her head
     
  10. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    But how do you hit someone this hard and it is still an accident.

    Nusiance and Rash, do you think it was an accident?

    Ned: An angry woman loses control, could have very easily cracked her skull with one good forceful whack against something hard like the tile bathroom or sink. I know Lou is convinced it was from the flashlight. Which conveniently was left out on the kitchen counter, wiped clean of prints. The Ramsey’s owned one just like it, but couldn’t seem to find it that morning
     
  11. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Nuiance, I completly agree
     
  12. Chrishope

    Chrishope New Member

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    $$$$$$$ ?
     
  13. Solace

    Solace New Member

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    John says he REPLACED the chair when he left the room.

     
  14. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Great points

    Charlie: Now a crime scene photograph shows the blocked chair, but we dont know when this photograph was taken. What we really need to urgently know is when this crime scene photpraph was taken. Lets assume all the crime scene photographs are taken during the same period has anyone found a crime scene photogrpah that has been released that has got a time stamp on it?

    Ned: The basement and train room were not considered a crime scene until after the body was found, therefore the Photos were taken after 1-pm
     
  15. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Well spoken! Bravo! Bravo!
     
  16. JMO8778

    JMO8778 ..at the beach!

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    I think it was unprofessional of Smit not to be objective in this case.ST was open to anyone being guilty,but Smit allowed the R's to charm him over and decided they couldn't possibly be guilty(yea,and all little old ladies are nice, too @@)..but this is nothing more than the manipulativeness that mentally ill ppl tend to possess..the power and wit to charm the heck off of anyone they chose,when it's imperative they do so to save themselves.It's like this...from their point of view,they have no choice but to appear kind and normal and to use undue influence over ppl to get to the end result of what they want.(ST recognized it when he interveiwed PR).
    I think Dr Goof ..opps,i mean Dr Beuf...was unprofessional as well.He should have been encouraging and empowering PR to go to the LE HQ that night and be questioned, and do what she could to help...instead,he did nothing but encourage her whining and encourage her to do nothing at all..which accomplished nothing but making her feel more like a victim(that is...if she were innocent).Dr Beuf apparently knew she wasn't or was unduly influenced by JR(the latter I believe).If he truly wanted to help PR,he shouldn't have encouraged her victim stance,he should have empowered her to do all that she could.
     
  17. Chrishope

    Chrishope New Member

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    Right. So what we need now, is a statement from both FW and Officer French as to whether or not they saw the chair when they searched that morning. Neither has ever mentioned it to my knowledge, but maybe that's just because no one's ever asked (though I tend to think they'd have mentioned it).

    If it wasn't there earlier, then JR must have put it there. He's the only one we know of claiming to have seen it or moved it.

    I know he wasn't aware of FW being down there in the morning, but did he know the cop was down there ? Why lie about a chair when an officer could easily state that it wasn't there when he searched?
     
  18. Nedthan Johns

    Nedthan Johns New Member

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    Sol: I know you don't think she made it to bed that night, but then what about the pineapple being mostly digested, takes about 2-4 hours. They get home at 9:30, she eats it. She was probably killed about 1:00. I think she went to bed and something happened that enraged Patsy and then hell was in session.

    Ned: Burke's room was 2 floors up from the basement. It's a big home. Kids sleep sound, he proabably didn't hear a thing. They arrive home at 9:30 or there abouts, JB was changed into her long johns, which were found on her soaked with urine, therefore she was wearing them at the time of death. Her bed doesn't appear to me to have been slept in. It also doesn't appear that the sheets were wet and changed, as there are too many articles of clothes on the bed, pillow misplaced, etc. I just dont' see it as a staged scene. It looks like a very messy bed, missing a child and a pillow in the appropriate place. I believe that JB was fed the pineapple Soon after they arrived home 1opm or so along with Burke, and then either helped Patsy wrap last minute gifts in the basement or was told to go to bed and perhaps played in her room instead. I believe she was murdered before 12 midnight. I believe this is WHY the Ramsey’s chose the 25th date for her tombstone. I don’t know the sequence of events, but had she wet her bed, her bladder would not have been full enough to empty a second time at the time of strangulation, which is what I believe ultimately killed her, not the head blow. The direction of the urine indicates to me death ensued AFTER the head blow and was done to put JB out of her misery. The blow to her head was unintentional in the fact that the person who did it, did not realize the rage and force she used to implement the blow.
     
  19. Nedthan Johns

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    I believe that all Burke knows is that JB was awake and carried in gifts and that they both had pineapple that night. He also was AWAKE when the Ramsey's called 911.
     
  20. Solace

    Solace New Member

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    There is no reason. Besides he said he went down between 7 and 9, probably after the officer was there and after Fleet White. There are pictures of the chair and probably taken after 1:00 when she was found. Why he returns the chair I do not know, maybe it is a small space and that is the only place he had for the chair. BUT, I agree with Ned and Rash that when he brought her down to the basement originally, the chair was there and he kept that going. This is all supposition, but I really think they were involved. I just wish one of us could come up with an irrefutable fact that places him in the basement, something that he does not offer (John).
     

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