GUILTY Netherlands - Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 #4

LAVROV CALLES FOR 'UNBIASED' MH17 PROBE AFTER DUTCH TV CLAIMS



RadioFreeEurope Radio Liberty
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia...50.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has called for an "unbiased and transparent" investigation into Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was shot down over eastern Ukraine last July.

His comments quoted by the TASS news agency on March 19 came hours after it was reported that a Dutch broadcaster claimed a metal fragment from the crash site matches a surface-to-air BUK rocket.

That would seem to support a theory that the plane was downed by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.


BBM
 
DUTCH SAFETY BOARD: REACTION TO RTL NIEUWS ABOUT MH17 INVESTIGATION


Dutch Saferty Board:
http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/ond...h-broadcast-rtl-news-about-mh17-investigation

In the investigation to the accident to flight MH17, the Dutch Safety Board wants to be able to confirm the final conclusion against multiple sources. This is a complex and time-consuming process. As a part of this, the link to the Malaysian Airlines aeroplane has to be demonstrated for each source, in part because the aeroplane crashed in an area of civil conflict.

The investigation into the cause of the accident is ongoing and is focusing on many more sources than just the pieces of shrapnel. Additional material for investigation is welcome for this, but it is important that it be irrefutably demonstrated that there is a relationship between any material and the aeroplane that crashed. The Dutch Safety Board will accept any such material and include it in the investigation.


BBM

Pieter Klein, deputy editor of RTL Nieuws, has announced that RTL will hand over the pieces of shrapnel tomorrow.


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Jeroen Akkermans @JeroenAkkermans

The fragments from the # MH17 disaster zone have been transferred today to the Dutch Safety Board.


BBM
 
ONE NEW IDENTIFICATION

Two victims of MH17 left to be identified


RTL-Nieuws
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binn...g-twee-mh17-slachtoffers-niet-geidentificeerd

Translation:


This week one Dutch victim of the MH17-air crash has been identified. Two victims of the crash are still unidentified.

The Department of Security and Justice reports that the next of kin of the victim have been informed. Including the previous identifications, a total of 296 victims of the disaster with flight MH17 has been identified.

It may be that of two missing persons of Dutch nationality information becomes available on on the basis of the remains that are present in Hilversum, according to a spokesman for the department. At this time it is impossible to say if and when that information becomes available.


BBM


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REMAINS FOUND AT CRASH SITE



NOS Nieuws:
http://nos.nl/artikel/2026834-weer-resten-gevonden-op-rampplek-mh17.html

Translation:

At the crash site of the MH17 in eastern Ukraine, Dutch experts again have found human remains. The findings were made yesterday and today in Grabovo. Personal belongings were also secured.

The remains will be flown to Eindhoven Air Base on Saturday, where the same ceremony will be held as on previous occasions.

Police and defense employees returned last week to Ukraine for further investigation in the disaster area. Today the team visited the area west of the town of Petropavlovka where debris were collected. Before the winter, the experts could not visit this area given the security situation.

The pieces of wreckage from the area have been provisionally stored in Kharkov.

Last week the 296th victim of the plane crash was identified. The victim had Dutch nationality. All but two of the victims have are now been identified.


BBM


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REMAINS FOUND AT CRASH SITE

NOS Nieuws:
http://nos.nl/artikel/2026834-weer-resten-gevonden-op-rampplek-mh17.html

Translation:

At the crash site of the MH17 in eastern Ukraine, Dutch experts again have found human remains. The findings were made yesterday and today in Grabovo. Personal belongings were also secured.

The remains will be flown to Eindhoven Air Base on Saturday, where the same ceremony will be held as on previous occasions.

Police and defense employees returned last week to Ukraine for further investigation in the disaster area. Today the team visited the area west of the town of Petropavlovka where debris were collected. Before the winter, the experts could not visit this area given the security situation.

The pieces of wreckage from the area have been provisionally stored in Kharkov.

Last week the 296th victim of the plane crash was identified. The victim had Dutch nationality. All but two of the victims have are now been identified.

BBM

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Thank you so much for giving us updates & translating what's going on
I'm on my cell so hard to check; how many victims are still missing? Have they said?
 
Thank you so much for giving us updates & translating what's going on
I'm on my cell so hard to check; how many victims are still missing? Have they said?

Glad to be of service! and happy to hear that it is appreciated! :cloud9:

There are still 2 victims missing, both are Dutch.
 
Thank you, ZaZara, for all you do. None of this information would be available to us if you did not report it. Thanks, again. Lambchop
 
ZaZara.....

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You're tireless and awesome.:drumroll:
 
JOINT INVESTIGATION TEAM CALLS FOR WITNESSES: HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BUK?


Dutch Prosecutor posts video with detailed questions and intercepted telephone calls onYouTube.
In Russian, with English subtitles.

[video=youtube;7wfl4Eb29e0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfl4Eb29e0[/video]


The information in this presentation indicates one of the main scenarios the Joint Investigation tema is examining

www.jitmh17.com

1. Call for witnesses

An international joint investigation team, in which Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine take part, is conducting a criminal investigation into the downing of flight MH17 on the 17th of July 2014 and is examining different scenarios. The focus of one scenario is that the MH17 was shot down by a BUK missile system. We are looking for witnesses who might have information regarding the transport of the BUK missile system. This includes the transport of the BUK on a low loader truck of the brand Volvo on July 17th and 18th through the Donbass region (see the pictures below) and the BUK system moving by itself on July 17th in the area of Snizhne. Furthermore we are looking for witnesses who have seen BUK crew members or have more information about the identity of those involved in ordering and launching the BUK. You can find more details in the call for witnesses.

We are putting great effort into finding the truth about the cause of the crash of MH17. If you have any information, footage or pictures or know someone else who could help us with this investigation, please don’t hesitate to contact us. Here you can contact us or upload footage and pictures. You can email us at contact@jitmh17.com or call us telephone number 0800-300014 (FREE) or 0031-384600210 between 9 am and 9 pm (GMT +2). Russian speaking members of the Joint Investigation Team will be available to answer your call.

The Joint Investigation Team takes witness safety very seriously. If you are concerned about your safety as a witness we can offer you various protective measures.
 
BELLINGCAT: MH17 JIT'S NEW VIDEO BRINGS NEW FACTS TO LIGHT


This new video is the strongest indication yet from the Joint Investigation Team that the Buk photographed and filmed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 and 18 is the culprit of the tragedy.

Aric Toler, Bellingcat
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...joint-investigation-teams-call-for-witnesses/



The first known origin point of the Buk on July 17 was not in Donetsk, but instead in a town less than a kilometer from the Russian border. Previously, many have claimed that this Buk was seized from an abandoned Ukrainian base in Donetsk. This new information indicates that either the Buk simply came from Russia, or separatists transported a captured (Ukrainian) Buk from Donetsk to a town at the Russian border (or further into Russia), and then returned to Donetsk.

The Buk was located at the checkpoint east of Snizhne in the evening of July 17, before traveling to Luhansk.

The Buk had a crew with it, though it is not explicitly said where the crew originated from (Russia or Ukraine).

The Volvo truck and Buk were transported into Russia after passing through Luhansk early on the morning of July 18.

Numerous people organized the transport of the Buk and many others knew about the situation, including:
the separatists who picked up the person at the checkpoint on July 17,
the crew transporting the Buk on July 17-18,
the ten people who called the person who transported it on July 18,
and the people who took the Buk in Russia from the other crew on July 18.

The “Bibliotekar” crew transported the Buk to Russia.

From the July 17 call, placed on the morning of July 17, a man named Khmuryi tells a separatist (named “Buryatik”) to call Bibliotekar for more information on the Buk, which was located near a motel in Donetsk. Khmuryi is supposedly the name used by Sergei Petrovsky, a separatist officer who was in Donetsk at the time.
The identity of “Bibliotekar” is unknown.

The Volvo truck was taken to Russia on July 18, but was later used by separatists on August 6 and August 23 (second source).


BBM
 
RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER IDENTIFIED ON MH17 TAPES


De Telegraaf:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/...t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=twitter

Translation


A Russian intelligence officer has been recognized as one of the men on the audio clips that the Dutch Public Prosecutor made public about the downing of flight MH17. In one of the intercepted conversations Sergei Nikolaevich Petrovski, an officer of the Russian military intelligence service GRU can be heard.

Petrovski has been identified by the Ukrainian secret service, according to NRC Handelsblad. He left the Russian army as a Major General in april 2014, to join the separatists. At the time of the disaster of MH17 he was deputy commander of rebel Igor Strelkov.

(...)

The names have been 'beeped' by the Public Prosecution, but the same fragment circulated earlier in an uncensored version on Ukrainian websites. There it can be heard how Petrovski's caller greeted him with "Nikolaevich".


According to Steven Derix @StevenDerix, reporter for NRC Handelsblad in Moscow, this is the man:


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DUTCH GOVERNMENT WAS INFORMED ABOUT PRESENCE MISSILES MH17 ~ SECRET DOCUMENTS

RTL-Nieuws
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/poli...t-nederland-wist-van-luchtdoelraketten-mh17-1

Translation:


The Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defence were informed about the presence of Russian missiles in eastern Ukraine three days before the disaster with MH17.

This becomes clear from the report of a diplomatic briefing in Kiev on July 14. It was drafted by a Dutch diplomat and is in hands of the investigative radio broadcast Argos. The briefing was convened after the shooting down of an aircraft of the Ukrainian army, an Antonov-26, earlier that day. Ukraine issued a warning during the meeting about the dangerous situation in the airspace.


The Dutch government refuses to send the report of this briefing to parliament because, according to Prime Minister Rutte, it could harm diplomatic relations between countries in the future.

The diplomat, deputy chief of the Dutch embassy in Kiev, writes that the Ukrainian military plane, an Antonov-26 was flying at such a high altitude that it could be dowed "only with Russian equipment or RF units (Russian soldiers, red.), "since separatists do not have this kind of anti-aircraft weapons. According to the Ukrainians the downing at over six kilometers altitude was 'the most recent definite example' of the 'critical and dangerous' situation in the east of the country.


According to the research broadcast, the analysis of the diplomat appears to deviate from the information shared by Dutch FM Koenders with the House of Representatives. He said in a general consultation on 5 February that the briefing mentioned the "possible presence" of antiaircraft missiles. Maintaining the confidentiality of the report of the diplomat causes resentment of the House, whose members want to verify if the information of the diplomat should have been cause for warning the airlines.

Three days after the briefing flight MH17 shot out of the sky. All 298 passengers died. Among them were 196 Dutch.


BBM


link to original briefing (in Dutch):
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/content/documents/2015/04/04/E-mail_briefing_Kiev.pdf


When MH17 was downed, Dutch PM Rutte vowed to leave no stone unturned.

Mistakes will be made, faults will happen.
The real problem here is that the Rutte administration has made lying the rule, rather than the exception.

Rutte has also vowed that the perpetrators should be brought to justice.
He has reached an agreement about this with Ukraine.
He did not even bother to contact Russia.

You may not have been aware of this dark side of Dutch politics.... let me inform you that:

1. lying is the rule, winners are the ones who get away with most lies
2. diplomatic and trade relations are of higher importance than human lives



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SEVEN COFFINS ARRIVING FROM CHARKOV AT EINDHOVEN AIRPORT


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rudy bouma @rudybouma
Airplane with 7 coffins carrying remains victims #MH17 is 10th flight since crash on 17-7-2014 #Nieuwsuur

327 bereaved present at arrival last 7 coffins carrying remains of victims #MH17 in Eindhoven, the Netherlands


The remains were located on the site of the crash. In the past weeks, the Recovery Mission made a final effort to search the area for human remains and belongings. Two Dutch citizens have not been identified yet.

For the time being, this will be the final time that remanins are flown from Charkov to Eindhoven. Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg, leader of the Recovery Mission, does not exclude the possibility that more remains may be found in futere.



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Source: RTL-Nieuws
 
NEMTSOV REPORT PUBLISHED; INCLUDES PROOF OF BUK PROVIDED BY RUSSIA

Earlier news:

BBC.com
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31885322

A report on Russia's role in the Ukraine conflict - compiled by the murdered Russian opposition politician, Boris Nemtsov - will be released in April, his colleague has told the BBC.


Ilya Yashin said most of the material gathered by Mr Nemtsov had been retrieved, despite police searches of his apartment and offices.
Mr Nemtsov was shot dead on 27 February while walking near the Kremlin.
His allies have said the killing was linked to his criticism of the Kremlin.



Today's news:
The Nemtsov report has been made public.


Olaf Koens @obk

Presentatie van het onderzoek 'Poetin. Oorlog'. Waar Boris Nemtsov mee bezig was toen hij werd vermoord.

150 Russische soldaten zijn in augustus 2014 om het leven gekomen, 70 Russische soldaten in jan-feb in de buurt van Debaltsevo

53 miljard roebel is er uitgegeven aan de oorlog, bijna een miljard euro. http://top.rbc.ru/politics/12/05/2015/5550b8869a794770c68a8207 …

Het hele rapport is hier te lezen: http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-voina/

Volgens de @IlyaYashin krijgen de Russische 'vrijwilligers' tussen de 60.000 en 90.000 roebel per maand. Tussen 1000 en 1500 euro.

Ilja Jasjin: 'We hebben bewijs en twijfelen er niet aan dat de MH17 door de separatisten is neergehaald met een BUK geleverd door Rusland.'

Amper twee uur in de lucht, nu al een DDos-aanval op de site http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-voina/

Translation:


Olaf Koens @obk

Presentation of the investigation 'Putin. War.' Boris Nemtsov was working on this when he was murdered.

150 Russian soldiers lost their lives in August 2014, 70 Russian soldiers in Jan-Feb near Delbatsevo

53 billion ruble have beent spent on the war, almost one billion euro. http://top.rbc.ru/politics/12/05/2015/5550b8869a794770c68a8207 …

The entire report can be read here: http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-voina/

According to @IlyaYashin Russian 'volunteers' receive between 60.000 and 90.000 ruble per month. Between 1000 and 1500 euro.

Ilya Yashin: 'We have proof and do not doubt that MH17 was downed by separatists with a BUK provided by Russia.'

Hardly online for two hours, already a DDOS attack on the site http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-voina/


BBM

I hope the links work. Due to the DDOS-attack I cannot check them now.
 
60 MINUTES: Who shot down MH17?


Aussies, watch on Sunday!

Preview:

[video]https://youtu.be/qrodTU5MBxc[/video]
 
NEW BELLINGCAT REPORT: 'TRACKING THE TRAILERS: INVESTIGATION OF MH17 BUK'S RUSSIAN CONVOY'


https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...rs-investigation-of-mh17-buks-russian-convoy/

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The new Bellingcat report, Routes, Destinations, and Involvement of the 2nd and 147th Automobile Battalions in the June and July 2014 Buk Convoys, presents detailed evidence of the involvement of the 2nd and 147th Automobile Battalions in the transport of military equipment through Russia, including the Buk missile launcher filmed and photographed in Ukraine on July 17th, linked to the downing of Flight MH17. As Bellingcat’s earlier report, Origin of the Separatists’ Buk, showed, the Buk that was linked to the downing of MH17 on July 17th was seen in a convoy travelling from the Russian 53rd Brigade near Kursk to Millerovo, close to the Ukrainian border, between June 23rd and June 25th. In this new report, the Bellingcat investigation team has reached several conclusions....

BBM

Conclusions at link ;)

Bellingcat:
An unredacted version of this report, along with additional information, has been submitted to, and received by, the criminal investigation into the downing of Flight MH17.
 
MYSTERY WHISTLE BLOWER COMES FORWARD TO CALAIM BIGGEST EVER REWARD


Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gator-shot-flight-MH17-killing-298-board.html


A mystery whistleblower has claimed a stunning £30 million reward for identifying who shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH17, killing all 298 on board, it is claimed.

The informant is reported to have had inside information on the identity of those who shot the Boeing 777-200 out of the sky over rebel-controlled eastern Ukraine last July.


A German private detective, Josef Resch, announced a shadowy figure had come forward but declined to identify the person, or the source of the bounty, the largest of its kind ever offered.

Now Resch has told Capital magazine in Germany: 'Our clients have got all the information they wanted to get, so my job is finished.'

Speculating on when his findings would be made public, Resch added: 'I expect something will happen very soon. Anyone who pays that kind of money for information does not keep it to himself.'

But he remained cloak and dagger over the informant - and hinted that his client may have been the secret service of one of the countries with an interest in the disaster.

'I have a request that my client makes the information public. But I have a fear it will be handled internally,' he said.

BBM
 
MEET ELIOT HIGGINS, PUTIN'S MH17 NEMESIS

Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/meet-eliot-higgins-putins-mh17-nemesis-345485

What has mainly provoked the Kremlin’s ire is Bellingcat’s work on Flight MH17, the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 shot down over eastern Ukraine last summer, killing all 298 people on board. Russian officials were quick to blame the flight’s destruction on Ukrainian forces. But over the past year, Higgins and his cohorts have been systematically debunking Moscow’s version of events. With the European Union reviewing its sanctions against Russia ahead of the July 17 anniversary of the crash, Higgins is about to release a new report, “The Other Faces of MH17,” in the hope of further discrediting Moscow’s claims. “Because the Russians are lying about so much stuff, there’s so much to debunk,” he says. “If they weren’t...I probably would have gotten bored quickly.”

The lies, Bellingcat says, started with a press conference last summer which the Kremlin claimed a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet shot down the passenger plane. Russia’s Defense Ministry presented radar data appearing to show another aircraft in the vicinity of MH17, and the Russian Union of Engineers said wreckage indicated the plane was destroyed by heat-seeking air-to-air missiles. A man claiming to be a Spanish air traffic controller in Kiev even gave interviews to the Russian media, saying two Ukrainian fighter jets had followed the Malaysian plane. Then a satellite image appeared, apparently showing an aircraft firing on the airliner.

Gradually, however, each piece of this “evidence” was proved to be fraudulent. The Spanish Embassy said there was no Spanish air traffic controller at either of Kiev’s airports. Experts dismissed the radar blip as falling debris from MH17. One of the Russian designers of the Su-25 stated publicly that the aircraft could not fire at a target flying at the passenger jet’s altitude, and that only a surface-to-air missile could cause the plane to break apart as it did. Finally, Bellingcat exposed that satellite photo as a crude composite of Google images, with the Malaysian Airlines logo not even correctly placed on the aircraft.

[...]


Never without a Plan B, Russia switched to an alternate theory—MH17 was hit by a Buk missile, but it was launched from Ukrainian territory and fired by troops loyal to Kiev. Once again, the Kremlin offered satellite images to back it up. But Bellingcat purchased its own satellite images, again indicating the Russian ones had been digitally altered. Russia’s Ministry of Defense did not respond to telephone or email requests from Newsweek for comment on Bellingcat’s findings.

"The Russian propaganda technique is to flood the Web with huge amounts of misinformation in an effort to undermine genuine facts,” says Vitaliy Naida, a senior official at Ukraine’s state security service. “The aim is to constantly raise new questions and make absolute truth seem unattainable."


BBM


The downing of MH17 saw the rise of Eliot Higgins and Bellingcat :tyou:
 

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