NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female & 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00 #2

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  1. assaf1981

    assaf1981 Inactive

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/800ufnh.html

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 800UFNH

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    Reconstruction of Victim by NCMEC

    Unidentified White Female


    The victim was discovered on November 10, 1985 in Allenstown, Merrimack County, New Hampshire
    Estimated Date of Death: 1-4 years prior
    Skeletal Remains


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    Vital Statistics


    Estimated age: 5-10 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 4'3"
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly Native. Dark blonde or light brown, fine hair. Double-pierced ears.
    Dentals: Shovel shaped anterior dentition.
    DNA: Pending


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    Case History
    On November 10, 1985, the skeletal remains of a female and one female child were located in Allenstown, NH.

    The bodies, wrapped in plastic strips, was found by a hunter in a wooded area between the Bear Brook Gardens trailer park and Bear Brook State Park in Allenstown. They were in a wooded area far from any roads. The cause of each death was repeated blows to the head from a blunt instrument, although there was evidence of other injuries.

    On May 9, 2000, the skeletal remains of two additional female children were recovered. DNA testing confirmed that two of the children were biologically related to the adult female. All four victims may be biologically linked, but DNA results are still pending.

    All four decedents are believed to be Caucasian or Native American and they are believed to have died in the early 1980's.



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    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
    B.J. Spamer
    913-469-5437
    E-Mail
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    85-1051

    Source Information:
    UDRS



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  2. lorelei

    lorelei Member

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    I did a search for this case and couldn't find anything posted yet.

    This is a case where an adult woman and a young girl age 5-10 yrs were found in 1985 in the woods in Allenstown NH. 15 years later in 2000 the remains of 2 more young girls were found (apparently in the same woods?). All of them died of blows to the head.
    DNA tests proved that 2 of the 3 children were related to the woman, DNA is still pending on the 3rd. One of the girls found in 2000 does not have a case file on DoeNetwork but here are the ones that are listed. There are reconstruction pics on DN site too but the post is kind of long already so I left them out.

    Case File 799UFNH
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/799ufnh.html
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    Unidentified White Female

    • The victim was discovered on November 10, 1985 in Allenstown, Merrimack County, New Hampshire
    • Estimated Date of Death: 1-4 years prior
    • Skeletal Remains

    Vital Statistics
    • Estimated age: 23-32 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'7"
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Curly, light brown hair, approximately four inches in length.
    • DNA: Pending

    Case History

    On November 10, 1985, the skeletal remains of an female and one female child were located in Allenstown, NH. The bodies, wrapped in plastic strips, was found by a hunter in a wooded area between the Bear Brook Gardens trailer park and Bear Brook State Park in Allenstown. They were in a wooded area far from any roads. The cause of each death was repeated blows to the head from a blunt instrument, although there was evidence of other injuries. On May 9, 2000, the skeletal remains of two additional female children were recovered; 801UFNH, and 802UFNH. DNA testing confirmed that two of the children were biologically related to the adult female. All four victims may be biologically linked, but DNA results are still pending.

    All four decedents are believed to be Caucasian or Native American and they are believed to have died in the early 1980's.


    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
    B.J. Spamer
    913-469-5437
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    Case File 800UFNH
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/800ufnh.html
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    Unidentified White Female
    The victim was discovered on November 10, 1985 in Allenstown, Merrimack County, New Hampshire

    Vital Statistics
    • Estimated Date of Death: 1-4 years prior
    • Skeletal Remains
    • Estimated age: 5-10 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 4'3"
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly Native. Dark blonde or light brown, fine hair. Double-pierced ears.
    • Dentals: Shovel shaped anterior dentition.
    • DNA: Pending

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    Case File 801UFNH

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/801ufnh.html

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    Unidentified White Female
    The victim was discovered on May 9, 2000 in in Allenstown, Merrimack County, New Hampshire
    Vital Statistics
    • Estimated Date of Death: 16-19 years prior
    • Skeletal Remains
    • Estimated age: 1-3 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 2'5"
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Fine blonde hair which was approximately 8 to 12 inches in length.
    • DNA: Pending


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    Case File 802UFNH

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802ufnh.html

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    Unidentified White Female
    The victim was discovered on May 9, 2000 in in Allenstown, Merrimack County, New Hampshire
    Vital Statistics
    • Estimated Date of Death: 16-19 years prior
    • Skeletal Remains
    • Estimated age: 4-8 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 3'8"
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown; 5 inches long.
    • DNA: Pending
     
  3. malaika

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    I posted in Thread #1 which is now closed, suggesting Grace Reapp and her daughter Grace as possible matches to the adult Female and the 5-11 yr old child. I am reposting to this Thread per mod direction.

    This possible match has been suggested in the past, and some other members have mentioned previously seeing Grace and Grace listed as ruleouts...but as of current time, they do not show on the NAMUS ruleouts lists for these UIDs. Trying to see if anyone remembers submitting them for comparison.

    Reapp-Allenstown.png

    Grace [mother]: 32/VT/1978 https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4031/1/
    Grace [child] : 5/VT/1978 https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4032/0/
     
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  4. aThousandYearsWide

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    I was able to find one article (I'm sure there's others but I'm tired right now) that mentioned the authorities being alerted by the bodies possibly being the Reapps, but it wasn't a match.

    http://www.concordmonitor.com/Archive/2010/07/999791473-999791473-1007-CM?page=0,2
    (Just to clarify a minor journalist mistake: the bodies were found in 1985, not 1986. 1986 is when authorities likely invested the Reapps possibly being the victims)

    My only guess to why a rule-out would be removed is if it was due to dental records comparison. That's how Jean Vincent was on his own rule-out list, but after some reviewing he turned out to be a match. I hope mis-rule outs don't happen too often. It's scary to think about.

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  5. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    Oh wow, a new thread! I’m hoping that they get their names back soon !!
     
  6. Triss

    Triss Well-Known Member

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    When I saw that their original thread was closed, my heart stopped for a minute. I thought it meant they were identified.
    Oh well. Hopefully soon these young ladies will have their names back.
     
  7. Alleykins

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    Yes, the Reapps were ruled out. I've posted news articles at least 2 times over the years supporting this. I think it was by dental records. If you do a search for their names in the old thread, you should find previous discussions.
    They were probably some of the first ruleouts. Being from relatively close to where the first sets of remains were discovered, the reapps were some of the first MPS considered.
     
  8. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    Is there anyone who can help me find info on this girl? It is necessary to understand if it has disappeared or was found again, in the Namus or Doe Network there is no trace; given the age and place of disappearance, a search would not be bad. I remind everyone that I had opened a thread for her, but since we do not know if it's still gone, the moderators have just closed it up.

    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/56646134/

    EXETER - Judy Christine Taylor, 15, has been reported missing since 8 pm, Aug. 27, according to Juvenile Division of the Rockingham County Sheriff's. Department and Judy's parents. Mr. and Mrs. Robert L. Taylor. The young girl was last seen in the Seabrook. She may possibly be in the company of another juvenile female. Judy is believed to be in the Exeter-Hampton area. She is 5 foot 5 inches tall, has green eyes and a shoulder length -light brown hair, which is often worn pulled back from her face. She also has braces on her teeth. The only available pictures of Judy are two years old. Judy's parents strongly emphasize that any help from any source would be greatly appreciated. If anyone has any information for this juvenile, please contact the Rockingham County Sheriff's Department at Exeter, at 772-471G. YORK.
     
  9. alllads

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    I've looked into it and am 95% sure that she's alive and well today. I've found what seems to be her father's obituary where she is listed as surviving, and I've found other traces of her including photos. So she's not missing, and not a possibility.
     
  10. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    Post the obituary link info please! ;) Thanks for the research Alllads! ;)
     
  11. carbuff

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    Her father's obituary would not be allowed, since it's sleuthing an unrelated person.
     
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    Yeah, I mention the obituary only as evidence that she is alive and well. This woman is clearly not the UID in this case, and now that we know she is alive is irrelevant to this case.
     
  13. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    Ok thanks Alllads for infos! ;)
     
  14. Owutatangledweb

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    Yeah, I know, I was addressing the request to post the link, not your original comment.
     
  16. LucyOso

    LucyOso Verified Registered Nurse

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    I agree. I think they have come up multiple times. Every few months.
     
  17. carbuff

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    I'm bringing forward a coupe of links from the first thread just for easier access to some frequently asked questions. Note that most of this information comes from the Oakhill Research website and it's not by any means a complete list, just some interesting stuff I ran across while looking for something else.

    How the first barrel was found: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...und-Nov-85-amp-May-00&p=13643405#post13643405

    General information about the property: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...und-Nov-85-amp-May-00&p=13644387#post13644387

    Post with map of where barrels were found: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...und-Nov-85-amp-May-00&p=13638400#post13638400
     
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    And I found what I was looking for: the ruleout list from last fall. Contrary to what I thought I remembered, Grace Reapp is NOT on it.

    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...und-Nov-85-amp-May-00&p=13549104#post13549104

    The ruleouts for RE's daughter https://identifyus.org/cases/2175

    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

    Amber Crum 1981 Texas
    Fannie Stuart 1976 California
    Jessie Stuart 1975 California
    Kimberly Yates 1981 Rhode Island

    I made a combined ruleouts list for the three maternally related victims. Because of the maternal relationship, a ruleout for one is a ruleout for all.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/2173
    https://identifyus.org/cases/2174
    https://identifyus.org/cases/2176


    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

    Nancy Baird 1952 Utah
    Denise Beaudin 1958 New Hampshire
    Melissa Bustamante 1996 Florida
    Jan Cotta 1954 New Jersey
    Amber Crum 1981 Texas
    Rachael Garden 1964 New Hampshire
    Sharon Giusti 1943 Washington
    Cynthia Goodling 1958 Florida
    Pamela Hobley 1954 Michigan
    Rhonda Labbe 1956 Massachusetts
    Ella Beth Lodermeier 1948 South Dakota
    Linda Lovell 1948 Montana
    Anne Manchester 1954 Delaware
    Aleca Manning 1953 Arizona
    Donna Manson 1954 Washington
    Cathy Moulton 1955 Maine
    Julie Moseley 1965 Texas
    Linda Nickell 1955 Michigan
    Patricia Otto 1952 Idaho
    Kristina Perkins 1953 Arizona
    Janice Pockett 1965 Connecticut
    Wanda Priddy 1958 Texas
    Laureen Rahn 1966 New Hampshire
    Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
    Diane Schulte 1954 Idaho
    Kathleen Shea 1959 Pennsylvania
    Kimberly Stewart 1956 California
    Mary Stuart 1945 California
    Fannie Stuart 1976 California
    Jessie Stuart 1975 California
    Denise Sullivan 1946 Utah
    Kelly Yates 1984 Rhode Island
     
  20. Alleykins

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    I don't think the Reapps would be on it, they were ruled out years before NamUs, and most likely would be auto rule-outs if they were compared today because all have DNA profiles.
     

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