NJ NJ - Brielle, WhtFem 770UFNJ, 18-30, hit by train, blue rosary, Jun'08

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  1. coffeeandacig

    coffeeandacig Well-Known Member

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    Superimposed Beata's passport (?) picture from the Polish missing persons page you posted ulvguleoeyet. She has green listed on her MP Namus page...even though they look very light. Beata looks older in her passport picture with plucked eyebrows and younger in the other photos on that site and Namus.

    What does everyone think? Submit or nah?
     

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  2. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    She sure looks like the same woman in both cases. And yes, I think she's close enough to submit.

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  3. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Wish we had someone from Poland that could contact Polish LE to find her family to get DNA. You could submit but there's nothing to compare her to. Maybe they'll call Polish LE. I think she's too old to be our Doe. I wish there was more of her story, who was she staying with? We're talking 2 1/2 years. Was she living on the street? I'd think she had gotten into a fight with someone, was killed.

    I grew up in Union County. Took a bus to the mall in Woodbridge. You can get anywhere using public transportation in North Jersey.

    I'm redoing the Doe's album to add the LostNMissing recon but I'm gonna contact them to ask if they have her frontal PM photo to see if it was done using that, the recon by MIA or the sketch. I mentioned her to Carl the other day, not sure if he's interested in contacting her ME to see if he can get her PM pics to do his own. I'd trust his recon more since I know how he does them.
     
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  4. coffeeandacig

    coffeeandacig Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your insight Roselvr.
    I don't know how significant it is that originally the UID's estimated age was between 20-40, and now between 18-30. I find Beata's photos to be quite contrary. In two of them, she looks around her age (38). In the one I used to superimpose, she looks like 50 something.
    I don't know if her visa expiring had anything to do with her missing status. It was not unusual in the Polish community of Chicago in the 90s, to have people stay illegally. Small homes would be turned into illegal apartments and there could be up to 30 Poles living in them.
    I'll wait on submitting Beata, since there isn't quite enough information yet.
     
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  5. ulvguleoeyet

    ulvguleoeyet New Member

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    Well than it's the same if you say so! :peace:
    I also think she looks older with more slender face on the passport photo than on the other two pictures, but she could still be placed in the end of the first (?) Jane Doe's age scale. I heard somewhere also (don't know if it's true though) that women from countries with colder climate are aging slower than those living in areas with much sun shining,
    I also wonder about her story because I think that she must have known someone in US that invited her to the country so she could get a visa. It's also written on the UID page that she packed her bags and left home. She was reported missing in 2005 and her visa would expire in 2006. Maybe she found some illegal work and didn't want to report that to anyone or simply didn't want be in the US legally.
    I know some Polish people who come to Sweden and work here illegally just because they don't want to pay the taxes.
    Have also the possibility of finding someone who would translate the message we would send to the Polish police office so they can maybe contact the NJ police or do something else.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Since there's no indication she was killed or kidnapped, there's no reason she couldn't have been alive. It certainly sounds like she left on her own, and it wouldn't be surprising if she wanted to stay in the country after her visa expired (wouldn't have needed a sponsor if it was a tourist visa).

    Age estimates for deceased persons aren't done just on appearance; they look at things like teeth, skull sutures, bone growth, and so on. So it's more than a guess. But in many cases all they can tell is that the decedent is fully mature but not yet showing signs of age -- so roughly 20 to 40.
     
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  7. ulvguleoeyet

    ulvguleoeyet New Member

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    I mean also only in the case if she really is the Brielle Jane Doe.
    Wondering how much the body was damaged after the accident and if there's some way to get more PM pictures
     
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  8. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Reply from LostNMissing Unidentified FB

     
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  9. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope It's time for brighter colors....

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    Hi, about Stella Nawrocka. In the following thread people research her. She is probably alive and ok. NJ - NJ - Hoboken, WhtFemale 207UFNJ, 24-34, in Hudson River, Feb'05
     
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  12. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope It's time for brighter colors....

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    I think the bracelet was originally like this and she repaired it somehow. You can see the beats have two holes. There are a couple of saints missing (12 vs 9)

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    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    If I'm right and shes from Carteret, she could have bought it in the local store like my daughter did. Wish DDP would work with her it's the only way shes gonna get IDd is by family tree DNA
     
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  14. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope It's time for brighter colors....

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    Yes, I wish that with you for her....I don't think she is in any mp's system and there is so little left to work this case besides hoping DDP can takes it some day, in the future. There are still so many UIDs. DDP has work for years to come. The bracelet will not bring us further either I think, it's a very common sold item.
     
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