NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#30

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  1. mouse detective

    mouse detective Veritas Omnia Vincit

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    The cache is called " Ugly as"

    I believe Dodo was one of the first to suggest that the perp might know there was a cache located under the bridge - just as there is one located at the scout camp.

    (Note : The people who hid and have found this cache should not be treated with any suspicion. )
     
  2. kalamityk

    kalamityk Inactive

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  3. Lu-Lu

    Lu-Lu New Member

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    I don't think you can see her face in that image. I don't believe she has a bag over her head.

    I have tweaked the image in photoshop by upping the resolution and sharpening. I have put pointers to what I see in the image.


    This is what I see in the photo... Her body position is that her feet are pointing to the Brisbane Rv, and her head is pointing up Kholo Cr. I see her torso and head face down. I see from her hips down, that they are side on, with knees pointing to the water. Her feet are down at the Brisbane Rv
     

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  4. LauraMars

    LauraMars New Member

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    Just looked at the geocache website again, and yes the Kholo Creek cache is still in place. I'll try and find Kimster's posts about it before linking, in case it's a no no.
     
  5. Thinking

    Thinking New Member

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    So what would be the reasoning behind leaving the car at the show grounds I wonder, if this is true?

    - so as not to disturb sleeping children upon return after 4am?

    - to make it look as if Allison has driven herself out, met someone, the incident occurred then this person splashed some bleach around then drove her car back and left it at show grounds so as to not disturb sleeping GBC? Were keys left in car I wonder?

    - so as not to alert neighbors to early morning car movements (although parking at the show grounds would likely draw more attention)?
     
  6. bearbear

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    yes, i think someone mentioned there was a geocache site outside gbc house as well?
    shame we dont have an index with key words with reference page numbers!
     
  7. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    OK - found the geocache thing - thanks to those who pointed me in the right direction.

    For those interested, here is the page describing the terrain and how difficult it is to get to that geocache:

    http://geocaching.com.au/cache/gc2d7dc

    And here is the description of the geocache by the folks who placed it there:

    http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gc2d7dc

    I should mention that the little creek that joins Kholo Creek just upstream from the bridge, near the bend in Kholo Creek is called Ugly Creek.

    So that may explain why the kayaker was going up into Kholo Creek. But from the descriptions of people trying to get to the cache, the terrain doesn't seem likely to be easily got to, especially with a body.

    Unless she was thrown over the bridge. I am really interested to find what injuries she would have had from the autopsy - apart from a chipped tooth....
     
  8. clara123

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    QUOTE=DrWatson;8114768]OK - found the geocache thing - thanks to those who pointed me in the right direction.

    For those interested, here is the page describing the terrain and how difficult it is to get to that geocache:

    http://geocaching.com.au/cache/gc2d7dc

    And here is the description of the geocache by the folks who placed it there:

    http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gc2d7dc

    I should mention that the little creek that joins Kholo Creek just upstream from the bridge, near the bend in Kholo Creek is called Ugly Creek.

    So that may explain why the kayaker was going up into Kholo Creek. But from the descriptions of people trying to get to the cache, the terrain doesn't seem likely to be easily got to, especially with a body.

    Unless she was thrown over the bridge. I am really interested to find what injuries she would have had from the autopsy - apart from a chipped tooth....[/QUOTE]

    :twocents: dropping?
     
  9. Aussie_expat.sg

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    Although, maybe it is not as tough as you think. One guy had a fused ankle and got down there...and then there was this family:
    Hairyfrog We had fun finding the site. It was a real adventure for the kids and our dog and the last part provided a real thrill for the kids. I had to balance to reach down and locate the Geo. This was our 2nd search and we wrote Hairdog in the log rather than Hairyfrog - just a small mistake. Remember there a Bull sharks in the river and one slip may provide lunch.

    Lots of others found it as well, seemingly without a canoe.

    I'm in the camp that thinks she was PLACED down there...probably with some difficulty, but definitely with the intent that she be found, but not immediately.
     
  10. bearbear

    bearbear Well-Known Member

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    thankyou for that. i can see your description, but im still not really convinced, i see the very white areas each end and centre, one of which to me could still be her head. i find the photos of her body so hard to decipher and amazed that people can see where everything is.
    so, thankyou again, you are probably right, i just cant shake this plastic bag over head rumour, and to me it makes sense as an instant thing police see when they find her, immediately knowing she was murdered without obvious external injury to the body.
     
  11. Bayside

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    That family is as stupid as Gerard, wouldnt they think that their phones and homes are bugged...duh lol.
     
  12. Bobbie Elliott

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    I think that the geocache was mentioned first by the kyacker who found Allison's body. He was looking for the geocache, but found Allison's body instead.

    Am marginally computer incompetent so can't put in the link, but it should be in any news report quoting the kyacker.
     
  13. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Yes it became a no no as it mentioned other names not related to Allison's case...

    Kimster's post...

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8023808&postcount=42"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19[/ame]
     
  14. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    I've not seen any reports which mention the canoeist was looking for geocache....there has been nothing further in reports about him.

    It was suggested on here by another member that perhaps that was what he was looking for.
     
  15. Rational

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    Hi Lulu
    This photo is a screen dump from a video. There were a number of photos published in the MSM all later withdrawn as well as a number if MSM video clips. Her face is where you have her ankle and she appears with her legs drawn up and her hands tied behind her back. In other words the white part is where her face is. This could be for a number of reasons (her face was blocked out in this video, or there is indeed a plastic bag covering her face, or another reason not clear to me).
     
  16. possumheart

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    From my memory it was an assumption that the canoeist was looking for the geocache. But a brilliant assumption. A member contacted crimestoppers just in case the location of the geocache was significant. I also remember a link was posted where the Century 21 organisation were sprouting the joy of geocaching.

    (and I know some say kayak, some say canoe)
     
  17. LauraMars

    LauraMars New Member

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    Thanks Marlywings, I do remember a bit of hoo-hah with certain aspects of those discussions.

    Just did a search and there are still dozens of mentions of the geocache thing back in early June, so I hope it's still OK that we've mentioned it again today.
     
  18. LauraMars

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    It was interesting that some people mentioned there were also cache sites at the Scout ground itself, and opposite the Baden-Clay house (showgrounds?)

    Haven't confirmed the other two sites though yet.
     
  19. Bobbie Elliott

    Bobbie Elliott Member

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    Marly

    The canoeist said something about being excited (or the equivalent) about finding the "cache". From memory, he didn't use the word "geocache". WSs were perplexed by this because at first reading it appeared that he was refering to Allison as "the cache" - obviously a very inappropriate thing to say. However, a WS said that the canoeist was most likely referring to finding the geocache, because there was one near where Allison was found. So, he wasn't being insensitive and inappropriate.

    When I've got some time this evening, I'll endeavour to find some relevant quotes.
     
  20. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

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    poor darling :tears:
     
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