Norway Norway - Arjen Kamphuis, 47, Dutch citizen, Bodø, 20 Aug 2018 - #2

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  1. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it odd that almost no one remembers seeing him around Bodø but there appear to be several sightings around Vikeså?
    It is odd, very odd. The Vikesa-ping could even be a decoy.

    I don't see Arjen having lunch/dinner at the Esso if he wouldn't want to be found.
    I also believe that the surveillance camera's were checked by police? (Even though probably too late.)

    If Arjen had been abducted, he would have been kept hidden and no one would have seen him around Vikesa.
    If Arjen would have sneaked his way to Vikesa, then maybe someone could have seen him. For instance, he could have sneaked on board of a truck, as a stowaway (instead of on a ship!).

    Or: Arjen remained in Nordland (.....) and his phone was taken to Rogaland and acted as a decoy after he was reported missing on the 29th.

    I don't know whether there is a possible link, but the only industry of any significance that I have been able to find in Bjerkreim, is glass industry. Nexans optic fibres are also made of glass.
    It's more than 3 months now that Arjen is missing......
     
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  2. ZaZara

    ZaZara AstraZaZara

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    My current favourite theory is that the hiker is a different person who has no clue that people would assume he looks like Arjen. He'll probably be shocked once he becomes aware of it.

    This is one of the questions that might be solved by appealing to the public.

    We are looking for a hiker [ general description of Arjen ] who was on holiday in Norway [ area, locations] together with possibly a Dutch hiker and a German hiker in August 2018.
    Are you this person? Were you with this person? Do you know this person? Do you have pictures or messages?

    Something along these lines. IMHO he could be located and excluded.
     
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  3. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Hi cybervampira, could you please place the timeline in page one? We have made/updated a timeline more than once and I agree with EEQAZ: we should have the timeline placed on the 1st page.

    Please let me know whether you can place it (I don't know how these things work), and I will look up the timeline so that it can be placed.
     
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  4. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is a good way to approach the sighting.
    Unfortunately, LE did not handle it that way, otherwise it would have been all over the news papers....

    - Either Arjen is not supposed to be found
    - or LE is working in secret
    - or no one cares about Arjens disappearance
    (random order)
     
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  5. cybervampira

    cybervampira Well-Known Member

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    Hi Chiatos. Actually, only a mod can do that at this point. I will alert one. :)
     
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  6. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hi Chiatos,

    Are you saying you need to change the timeline that is already posted? If that is the case you can send me the new timeline in a message by(called a "Conversation,") clicking on your inbox located in the upper right-hand corner and go from there. If this is a new timeline that has not been posted in our Timeline Forum you can post it at the link Missing! Timeline Forum and Media links
    Let me know if you need anything else.
     
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  7. worldwatcher

    worldwatcher Well-Known Member

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    This TimeLine map:
    Een kudtkoekiewall. Omdat dat moet, van de kudtkoekiewet. made by Cave and Tarjei is detailed.

    Also about the weather report made by a geo storm (thread #1) on that day (aug. 20) it did say that there was a gentle breeze in the fjord.
    If you are an experienced kayaker or sailed before (like Arjen) this must sounds familiair.

    Marine terminology:
    "Gentle Breeze: 7-10 knots, small whitecaps begin to appear, becoming challenging for kayakers"
    One knot is 1.15 land miles per hour.

    So now we know how many knots you can make p/h,if your kayak isnt stuffed with luggage and sea worthy.
     
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  8. Bold

    Bold Active Member

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    That timeline,you're all keep talking about is,
    NO good! It has been repeated a lot of times here.
    What is the use of it???
    It has been discussed & corrected,reposted several times.
    It didn't bring new leads then and wont bring new leads now,no matter how much you repost it!
    It is act. not that difficult to search for that timeline on WS,if you have new valid leads to add.Wich are NON
    But if you do,you can copy,paste and add the new facts in that timeline and repost it in this one,T#2!

    But you all should look closer at his circle,there is more commention going on!

    Der Warnruf des Ex-CIA-Mitarbeiters Edward Snowden

    A Warning call

    Edward Snowden's revelations have highlighted the surveillance practices of the West. For this he and his helpers pay a high price. In the STANDARD interview he talks about the need to keep fighting.
    Der Warnruf des Ex-CIA-Mitarbeiters Edward Snowden - derStandard.at
     
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  9. eeqaz

    eeqaz Well-Known Member

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    As earlier posted his phone pinged three different places, vikeså, bjerkreim and one further south. Its also been made a timeline and a map about his phones. Its been written he must have been in car or train because the phone travelled fast. Sorry the moderator here keeps deleting facts, that thread was moved without moving information ppl used weeks to figure out and place in a very readable and easy way. All gone. Sorry i get tired reapting every fact known at least ten times.
     
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  10. eeqaz

    eeqaz Well-Known Member

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    Its been asked for since the thread was moved (without any explanation). Lots of facts got lost and in this forum you can not search for what was posted in the previous one. Now ppl keep repeating same questions over and over again and it would not be necesarry if the maps and the timeline was here.
     
  11. cybervampira

    cybervampira Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think this thread has been moved but there was a #1 thread (see link in original post) and this is #2 (usual WS practice once a thread is big). I believe the thread was once closed because of conspiracy theories (someone please correct me if I‘m wrong), but it was reopened after a while.

    Tricia already answered the timeline request.
     
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  12. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    The thread is still existing Norway - Norway - Arjen Kamphuis, 47, Dutch citizen, Bodø, 20 Aug 2018
    (As for the time line, I agree that it would be better to have it handy in this thread too, on page 1)

    The pings:
    Initially media reported that the phone had pinged at Brastein, Vikesa and Ualand. Later it was specified that the Vikesa ping was at Bjerkreim. This is very specific information, for Bjerkreim is very small.

    Bjerkreim is nothing more than a conglomeration of houses and 1 factory: a glass factory.
    Ualand is nothing more than a conglomeration of houses and 1 Transport (large trucks) organisation.
     
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  13. worldwatcher

    worldwatcher Well-Known Member

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    As far as I know the thread was never closed,before the posting reached over a thousands.

    @eeqaz
    When a thread is over a thousand post,it is closed by mods. and another thread is opened.
    This is how WS works.

    Some post (#th1) were removed,thats all.
    The removed post had no valuable facts but were refered to twitter and some deleted profiles there.
     
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  14. ZaZara

    ZaZara AstraZaZara

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    Really? Many threads are longer than 1000 postings. The new software allows this.
     
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  15. worldwatcher

    worldwatcher Well-Known Member

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    Ohh my bad then.
    Guess I was still thinking from before the new software was installed.
    But when one thread is closed another one opens.
    I do not think it was closed because of the conspiracy theories or the twitter bounce.
     
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  16. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Hi Tricia, I was actually thinking of having it posted on the first page of this thread, perhaps adding it to Cybervampira's first post with all the info that she has placed?
    I don't know if that would be possible? And whether Cybervampira would agree?

    Also: Could you add a link to the previous thread next to the title of this current thread? (Because it's only visible in cybervampira's 1st post and nowhere else?)
     
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  17. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Here is an update of the Timeline. (It turns out that Bjerkreim was mentioned earlier than I had realised.)
    Feel free to add or comment etc.

    06 August US government asks Dutch government for legal assistance in the investigation of illegal Russian cyber operations
    Source: MIVD verstoort Russische cyberoperatie bij de Organisatie voor het Verbod op Chemische Wapens
    “Op 6 augustus diende het Amerikaanse ministerie van Justitie een rechtshulpverzoek in bij het Openbaar Ministerie in Nederland. Dat gebeurde in een strafrechtelijk onderzoek naar ongeoorloofde Russische cyberoperaties.”
    (This was revealed two months later, on Oct. 4th)

    07 August; last exchange with Ancilla “have a nice holiday”’ and Arjen responded positively
    Source: Ancilla van de Leest over haar vermiste vriend Arjen Kamphuis [01:26]

    08 August Arjen travels to Trondheim, Norway.
    Source: Arjen Kamphuis
    Arjen Kamphuis went to Norway on August 8, 2018
    He checks at the Radisson Blu Trondheim for 2 nights
    Source: Forsvinningsgåten: Hva skjedde med Arjen Kamphuis?

    09 August, Ancilla sends Arjen a message via Signal, but it seems that his Signal account is non-existing
    Source: Le Monde article on person:kır See also page 49, 1st thread on WS

    10 August Arjen checks out from the Radisson Blu Trondheim and checks in at Radisson Blu Bodø. He stays here for 7 nights.
    Source: Forsvinningsgåten: Hva skjedde med Arjen Kamphuis?

    17 August Arjen checks out of the Radisson Blu and checks in at Scandic Bodø. He stays here for 3 nights. He tells the room maid that he should be back home by August 22nd.
    Source: Forsvinningsgåten: Hva skjedde med Arjen Kamphuis?

    20 Aug. 14:00 hrs AK checks out of Scandic Bodø with baggage. According to … Arjen had no other hotel reservations for the 20th+21st August Forsvinningsgåten: Hva skjedde med Arjen Kamphuis?

    20 Aug: 17:30 hrs: A witness says he sees AK with luggage in Rognan city center, just after the train from Bodø had arrived. The same witness believes to see him about 20.00hrs and 21.00hrs walk down to the shore of the wharf area, first time with baggage, second time without bags. By the end of September, this witness account has been classified as unreliable by police.

    20. Aug, 22:00hrs AKs mobile phone pings in the Fauske area
    Source: Tarjei Abelsen. The ping at Fauske indicates that the phone was above water at that time (probably both phones). Phones do not ping under water.

    21. Aug. A witness believes to have seen AK at Rema in Fauske in the morning
    Source: Dagen etter, 21. august, kan et vitne ha sett Kamphuis på Fauske. Vitnet sier til Saltenposten at hun ikke er sikker, men at personen lignet 46-åringen. Observasjonen var tidlig på dagen. Her er ni svar i Arjen Kamphuis-saken

    22. Aug. AK does not use his flight ticket from Trondheim to Amsterdam, what was the time for departure ?

    24 Aug. University of Twente places AK’s lecture of Sept. 18th on its website. Some time later they announce that the lecture has been “cancelled due to circumstances”.

    27 August AK misses his first appointment in Amsterdam
    Source: Family of Arjen on WS

    29. Aug. AK is reported missing (by friends / Ancilla) to the police when he has not appeared at work-when did the police go official about his missing ?

    30. Aug. Arjen’s other phone pings at 3 different base stations south of Stavanger. It is switched from Dutch to German SIM card, both registered on AK. The mobile phone is on for approx. 20 min. The police claim it has been opened with the SIM code. It pinged at Vikesa -> Brastein-Bjerkreim-Ualand. (We don’t know at what time this has been: daytime/nighttime.)

    01. Sep. Paddle found in the fjord between Fauske and Rognan - given to the police two weeks afterwards. Source: Cave. There is no verification for this, other than: Oppdatert saken om savnede Kamphuis
    See also Sep. 17th.

    06 Sep. Police reveals the Rogaland-ping, “outside Stavanger”. Status i søket etter savnede Arjen Kamphuis
    The Dutch news NOS however, already mentions Vikesa: Telefoon vermiste Arjen Kamphuis heeft even aangestaan

    07 Sep. First mention of Bjerkreim in connection to Rogaland-ping: ble aktivitet fra Kamphuis telefon registrert i 20 minutter ved tettstedet Vikeså i Bjerkreim
    WikiLeaks-medarbeideren som er sporløst forsvunnet i Norge: - Intelligent og omsorgsfull

    11. Sep. recreational fisherman finds Arjen’s wallet to clip on a belt including money and ID papers in the fjord (in the water) at Kvænfloget (between Fauske and Rognan) and he notifies Norwegian police at 19.10hrs Funn av eiendeler tilhørende Arjen Kamphuis

    11. Sept. The same Tuesday evening, the police find the kayak, that had apparently been pulled ashore a few days before (some media describe by “privatperson”, other media do not) at Kvænfloget. Police releases this information on Sept. 13th:
    Funn av sammenleggbar kajakk knyttet til savnet person Arjen Kamphuis
    https://www.an.no/arjen-kamphuis/bodo/nyheter/politiet-har-funnet-arjens-kajakk/s/5-4-859998

    11 Sep., Police specifies area of the Rogaland-ping as “Vikesa”
    Status i savnetsaken - Arjen Kampuis

    17 Sep. Norwegian police releases the paddle find (see also Sep. 1st):
    Oppdatert saken om savnede Kamphuis

    18 Sep. Last day that Norwegian police searched (with dogs) on land in the surroundings where Arjen’s belongings had been found. Source: Oppdatering fra politiet – savnede Arjen Kampuis

    19 Sep. As from Wednesday 19th September, no more physical searches for Arjen in the surroundings of Fauske are stopped. However, the investigation will continue.
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  18. ZaZara

    ZaZara AstraZaZara

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    Great overview.

    I would like to strike the first item 06 August US government asks Dutch government for legal assistance unless it is relevant to the disappearance of Arjen, and up till now I have not seen any reason to believe that it is related.

    I would like to add the date when the Norwegian police first mentioned their 3 scenarios about the disappearance. Don't have that ready, but it is in the first thread.

    I would also like to add the date or approximate date when friends and family of Arjen stopped communicating about Arjen's disappearance. Ancilla, who had been all over the place as a spokeswoman, went back to her original work and no longer wanted to speak about Arjen. Apart from Arjen's mysterious disappearance, I find the sudden (?) apparent (?) lack of interest of family and friends one of the most baffling aspects of this case. How did that happen, and collectively too? It is almost as if they received a notice Am OK, don't look for me, greetz Arjen. If something like that happened, you might wonder if he would legally still be missing, but officially he is still listed as such.

    Brainscratch territory.
     
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    Whiskers16 Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    We are still in the practice of issuing the next thread when posts reach ~1000. We aren't able to monitor the length of every thread so there will be longer threads if mods don't notice it and no one reports.

    Tagging @Tricia so she knows I responded to this.

    The posts go in chronological order so (to my knowledge) there's no way for me to take a post from mid-thread and move it to the start of the current thread. When we move posts into a new thread, they show at the beginning because chronologically they happened before any of the new posts that happen once the thread is opened.
     
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    A very tempting thought, which I also have once in a while. But... I watched the last 2 hours of the "only invitation" (a.rb5.nl made by Cave) platform lifetime. Two giant egos and skilled researchers crumbled each other. You probably know when the internet is the worst, very terrible to look at. We were several who tried to stop them, but they flew over the edge and Cave pulled the plug to the website. Very valuable information was published that is not publicly known, too many infos, for more friends and family protested and some of the information was deleted again. All in all, I understand if the family has left the investigation to the police, where any egos work in a legal framework. Since the famous night, it's only Ancilla who has tweeted some " harmless" tweets ....
    24 Oct.
     
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