Norway Norway - The Kambo Man, 50-60 years old, 22 September 1987

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    I just stumbled across this bizar old case ,after I was searching for more information about 2 unidentified woman in Norway (Jennifer Fergate,also known as the Mystery Woman in the Plaza hotel,Oslo and the Isdal woman)
    The Kambo man seemed to share also some remarkable details as these women did -removed tags from his clothing - no ID and it did suggest that also in this case,the leads would lead to Germany...but did it?
    This is a 5 part - will it lead to his indentification?


    The Kambo Man
    For 30 years the case has been a mystery to the police. Who was the man? What did he do in this deserted place, and where did he come from?

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    The sun has so far stood up when locomotive Svein Ivar Johannessen and conductor Roger Aaserud are going to roll off with the commuter train from Moss in the direction of Oslo.

    The date is September 22, 1987 and the clock has just passed eight in the morning.

    At Moss station they get signs from the conductor on the train that has arrived from Oslo.

    - The conductor made a strong sign to me that we should stop. We didn't have communication at that time. Then he said to me: Drive carefully because there is something in the railroad between Kambo and Moss.

    Svein Ivar gets conductor Roger Aaserud to sit in front of the locomotive while they are leaving. As they approach Kambo mill, they drive slowly.

    - Then I see that there is a case in the railroad. At first I thought it was a garbage bag. But when I get closer, I see that it is a human, says Svein Ivar.

    The body of the railroad
    Svein Ivar stops the train and jumps out of the locomotive. He sees that there is a body lying there. A man, maybe between 50 and 60 years old. He is lying on his stomach on the left side of the track. The right arm and foot are separated from the rest of the body. The man has ordinary clothes, and nothing else is striking with the person lying there.


    This was found on "The Cambrian"

    The man was wearing the following when he was found:

    • A gray blouse jacket / military jacket
    • A blue jeans trousers
    • A white shirt with dark thin stripes
    • Two medical support socks with three blue stripes at the top with open toe.
    • A yellow machine-knit sweater with a square pattern.
    • A white undershirt
    • A panty of the brand Elan Body
    • A handkerchief with brown stripes in a square pattern.
    • A black belt of artificial material.
    • A red Victorinox Swiss Army pocket knife of the model "Climber"
    • A softpack Camel cigarette.Produced in the West for the Eastern European market.
    At this time, this place is very inaccessible outside the railway. On one side of the track is the sea and on the opposite side there is a steep slope with mountains and partly dense forest.

    Soon 30 years later, Johansen and Aaserud are back on the former railway line. Now the train goes in tunnel on this stretch, and the old railroad stage has been converted into a hiking trail.

    - It was the first thing we did and thought. What did he do here? It's not a natural place. The only thing is the sea or go in the trail. Here it was very close to train traffic, says Svein Ivar.

    Conductor Roger Aaserud returns to the passenger cars, while Svein Ivar drives the train to Kambo station to alert the police.

    All train traffic on the stretch is stopped, and at 08.50 the police arrive by train from Moss station.

    The investigator
    Investigator Helge Jodalen and a colleague from the crime department at Moss police station start investigations on the spot. They find no ID on the dead man. The strange thing is that there are no labels in the clothes that can tell anything about where the man comes from. In the pocket of the jacket, they find a Swiss Army pocket knife and an almost empty package of Camel cigarettes.

    After initial investigations at the scene, they assume that this is probably a suicide on the railway. At the end of the 1980s, there were abnormally many suicides related to train traffic in Østfold, but the vast majority occurred in connection with stations on the stretch. This place is far from the nearest station.

    The dead man is taken aboard the train and transported to Kambo station where a car takes the corpse to the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Oslo where it is to be autopsy.

    The now retired policeman Helge Jodalen. We meet him at Jeløya cemetery. In the winter of 1988 he was here at a special funeral.

    - He is buried here as NN. It was as far as I remember, the priest, the church, and I who were present here during the funeral.

    In an unmarked grave lies the unknown man who was hit by the train on a September morning in 1987. There is no stone, or anything else on the spot - only a sink in the ground.

    - We first thought it was a local man. That it could be another from Norway.Possibly Scandinavia. Although we expanded our requests, we didn't get it.Eventually, they also went into the media, but no one knew the deceased, Jodalen says.

    The autopsy
    It is forensic Torleiv Ole Rognum who assists Dr. med. Bjørnar Olaisen during autopsy at the Forensic Institute (RMI) in Oslo. In addition, there is a forensic technician from Kripos who takes pictures and records objects and clothes from the dead person.

    The autopsy report concludes that the unknown man was healthy when he died. He was not influenced by alcohol nor had any traces of alcohol abuse.The cause of death is multiple injuries that are compatible with a train ride.

    He has crushing injuries to his head, scrap marks on his back, as well as the right arm and foot being cut off.Bleeding on the eyelids, as well as extensive bleeding after getting the limbs cut off, says the man was not dead until he was overrun by the train.There is little evidence of murder.

    In the autopsy report it appears that the man has probably used a denture in the upper jaw. But this is gone. Of the few characteristics that exist there are two older scars after a double hernia operation.

    The age of the man is estimated to be between 55 and 65, but the autopsy does not tell anything more about who the man is or where he comes from.

    Throughout the autumn of 1987, it becomes increasingly clear to the police that this man cannot be Norwegian. If so, someone should have reported him missing.

    Helge Jodalen and his colleagues at the crime department in Moss start investigating the only label found in the panties of the deceased. They also do thorough research on the cigarette pack that was found in the man's pocket.

    They are confirmed that the Camel cigarettes are manufactured in the West, but intended for the Eastern European market. The quality of the tobacco is worse than in cigarettes sold in the West. The cigarette package should have a label that tells where it is produced, but this does not exist. The tracks point to Eastern Europe.

    Eventually, the investigation stops and the case is transferred to the ID commission of the then Criminal Police Center (KRIPOS). A so-called "Black Notice" is sent out to the member countries of Interpol. Such a note contains images of the deceased, fingerprints of the corpse and other important information such as height and weight as well as images of some of the garments.

    There are several answers coming back from Interpol, but all are negative.No one knows who the man is, and no one has received a missing message on people who fit with the description.

    The investigators are now standing on the bar hill. Here too, the answer is negative.

    The ID commission goes into the media with a search for the man.There are several tips, including one that the man is like a person who was a German soldier in Norway during World War II. It turns out that this tip also doesn't match.

    Another tip refers to an ad in a so-called coupon sheet. A sheet where you can cut out coupons to order items. The man depicted in this ad is scary to the dead, but a right eye mole has a different location. Thus, the man in the ad cannot be "the Cambodian".

    New surveys
    Soon 30 years later, Åsted Norge has met several of those who were involved in this case in 1987. For all, the case is still an equally great mystery. There is one issue they have thought a lot about. Who is the man found dead on the railway line between Kambo and Moss in 1987?

    - Who is the "Cambodian", and what did he do on this deserted train stretch when he died?

    Former Kripos investigator and current Åsted Norway expert Asbjørn Hansen describes this as one of the strangest things he has been to. Asbjørn has not worked with the case earlier, but remembers it well when he was a police officer in the neighboring district Follo.

    What the man did on the spot and how he got there, and not least how he got to Norway can be important information.

    Was he a spy?
    - This happens during the Cold War. Can the man have been a secret agent?

    That is one of the questions that Åsted Norway expert Asbjørn Hansen poses in this matter. It is obvious that the man did not want to be identified since ID papers are gone and all other features have been removed.

    In the 1980s there was a NATO plant at Gylderåsen in Våler. The radar station was part of the so-called Nike system. This was a rocket defense system that was supposed to protect Oslo against rocket attacks from the Soviet Union.

    By searching the newspaper archives from this time, we find several VG and Aftenposten articles, which include this facility.

    Strange incidents involving foreign embassy cars near the military facilities, and one case of uncovering a secret camp adjacent to a power station in Eastern Norway, eventually led the chief of police to ban traffic for foreigners in the area around the Nike facilities.

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    This overview shows the route which in 1987 was the train route to the Østfold track between Kambo and Moss. That's where the unknown man was found dead.

    Possible track
    One of the police theories was that the man could be a sailor, and that he came to Norway with a ship. In 1987, investigators checked with the port authorities whether there were special ships that could have a connection to this, but without finding anything special.





    Åsted Norge has made new surveys around ship calls to Kambo and Moss in the current period. The local port authorities in Moss no longer have any archives, but in an old logbook with the lost service for the Oslofjord, we find that it was only a foreign ship that arrived at Moss the relevant days.

    According to the logbook, a German cargo ship arrives at the harbor of Moss around 22 o'clock on September 20, 1987. The ship comes from the northern German port town of Rendsburg with rebar in the cargo.

    In the 10th of September 22, the ship leaves Moss again.

    It only happens two hours after the dead man is found on the track and before the police investigation begins.

    The ship sets off the pilot at Færder and continues out of the Oslofjord to an unknown destination.

    The ship's name was MS Edelgard.
    https://www.tv2.no/a/8989776

    New blood discovery in 30-year-old mystery

    On a cigarette pack that has been in a bag for 30 years, the DNA expert finds possible blood traces.

    In 1987, a man was found dead on the train line between Kambo and Moss in Østfold.He has no identity papers on him and most of the labels in the clothes have been removed.

    Today, the case lies with the National ID group in Kripos.

    One of 15 unsolved cases
    Per Angel, who leads the group, tells Åsted Norge that they currently have 15 cases where they have a body or body parts that they have not been able to identify against a name.

    - In Norway, it is unusual that we do not identify. So we currently have 15 things in Norway where we have not managed to return body parts or the body of a known person. That being the case, this is a matter in mind for those who work with it all the time. It should be possible to get it done. There is plenty of information in the case. So that way we should have identified that person. And it amazes us.

    The case from Moss has been virtually untouched since the late 1980s. At the beginning of the 1990s, the case was partly reviewed, without getting any closer.

    After Åsted Norge started investigating the case, Kripos has reviewed the material again.

    It turns out that there are still several documents and a cardboard box with the same case name.

    Per Angel has found the cardboard box in the archive at Kripos.

    - I have just looked up and stated that this is the right thing, but this has been untouched for many years, says Angel.

    In the box we find clothes and items. A jacket, a sweater, a shirt, a support stocking, a handkerchief, a sleeveless shirt, a Swiss army pocket knife, a belt, a pair of Mephisto brand shoes and a Camel cigarette pack.

    But some of the clothes the man wore when found were gone. The underpants and denim pants, as well as one of the support stockings are gone.

    The images from the autopsy show that the man wore this, but it has probably been thrown because of blood spill.

    All the clothes have been thoroughly washed.


    - The material is by no means handled with regard to DNA and the type of thing. So that's the way the train has gone. The requirement to deal with this with today's thinking, it is not present, simply. But still ... we can be careful, says Angel.

    The shoes and objects are therefore not removed from the plastic bags in which they are located.

    In 1987, DNA technology was still in its starting phase, and it was therefore not common to secure traces in the form of biological material. Therefore, the clothes were washed so that they could be used in a search. Thus, important tracks have been lost.





    However, Kripos wants to make an effort to secure DNA from the objects.

    DNA analysis
    At the Department of Legal Genetics at Rikshospitalet, all investigations into criminal cases are carried out.

    We are met by senior engineer Jan Åge Starberg who will examine the clothes and the objects.

    - I have never investigated a case that is so old. But if it is stored dry, and not exposed to moisture ... then it can in principle stay very very long, says Starberg.

    He should check if he can find skin cells or blood. Blood is the best source of DNA, but quality can be degraded over time - so nothing is safe.

    To find blood, an indication test is used. It turns blue by traces of what may be blood.

    Since the clothes are washed, it is the objects that become the focus of the investigations.

    It doesn't take long before the first reaction comes.

    - Yes ... Now I got a reaction. It is the one who is a bit dark red on that edge of the sole here.

    A small spot on the side of the shoe sole gives a powerful reaction. The stain is barely three millimeters large.

    - Yes ... this is enough blood. The reaction became so powerful, says Starberg.

    He ensures a test to be sent to the laboratory for further investigations.

    Although the reaction is strong, it may not be enough. There must be several surveys.

    The cigarette pack that was found on the unknown man has been kept in the same transparent plastic bag for almost 30 years. There may be hopes of finding skin cells that have been preserved on the package.


    There are five unused cigarettes left in the package. They are discolored.

    - Discoloration is typical when exposed to moisture. It is not beneficial if we are to try to find some biological material from which we will find some DNA profile. Moisture causes DNA to be degraded and destroyed.

    The package is removed from the plastic. Then there appears a dark area on the cigarette pack.

    - It can almost look a little burnt out.

    Starberg gently scrapes the cigarette pack and drips a drop from the test paper indication test. It turns blue. A strong blue color.

    - It's nice if this was to be blood..but ... Yeah, it was. It gave indication for blood. So the reddish material here is enough blood.

    The samples are entered in the lab data system for further investigations.

    - I really have reasonably good faith that we should get this here. That we should be able to get a DNA profile.

    When the laboratory samples have been analyzed, the answer is whether the blood can provide a full-fledged DNA profile in the over 30-year-old case.

    Nytt blodfunn i 30 år gammelt mysterium

    Found the "Cambomans" DNA in 30 year old blood stains

    OSLO (ÅSTED NORWAY / TV 2): The result after a DNA search in an international database sends us to a country in South America.

    - Yes, we have a full DNA profile.

    It tells senior engineer Jan Åge Starberg at Section for Legal Genetics at Oslo University Hospital (OUS) to Åsted Norway.

    Starberg has investigated "The Cambrian's" clothes and items.

    The clothes and items have been stored in a plastic bag for almost 30 years.

    In 1987, the clothes were washed so that they could be depicted in connection with an inquiry. At this time, DNA was still new. During the autopsy, blood was taken out of the deceased, but this has disappeared over the years.

    As the clothes were washed, the DNA expert checked the few items that had not been washed.

    The DNA breakthrough came after blood was found in a cigarette pack.

    - It was finally the blood we found on the cigarette package that gave the best result, says Starberg to Åsted Norge.

    - But what can we use the DNA profile for?

    - Basically not so much as long as we have no relatives to check it against.But we can do a search on the Y profile.

    Together with the DNA experts, senior engineer Eirik Natås Hanssen and departmental director Bente Mevåg from the Section for Legal Genetics at Oslo University Hospital, we will do a search that has sometimes been used in criminal cases. The method is used when you have a DNA profile that is not found in the police records. The method can give us an idea of where in the world the person can come from.

    In the DNA strands, there are X and Y chromosomes. The latter goes on the male genetic material. In the international open DNA database YRHD, there are over 180,000 such male Y profiles.

    Countries all over the world have entered Y profiles from men who are ethnic to this country. By searching this base one will find which countries the same DNA type information has been observed previously.

    - Just as you have, for example, name statistics for what is common in different countries, then we have this statistical database for DNA. It tells us how common a DNA type is in different countries, explains Mevåg.

    In the DNA strands, there are X and Y chromosomes. The latter goes on the male genetic material. In the international open DNA database YRHD, there are over 180,000 such male Y profiles.

    Countries all over the world have entered Y profiles from men who are ethnic to this country. By searching this base one will find which countries the same DNA type information has been observed previously.

    - Just as you have, for example, name statistics for what is common in different countries, then we have this statistical database for DNA. It tells us how common a DNA type is in different countries, explains Mevåg.


    Shortly after, a map appears on the screen.

    - Here we see that we get hit in several places, says Hanssen and points to the screen.

    Small blue dots indicate that similar DNA type information has been observed. On a so-called heat map, there is a bright red color in the areas where there are several observations.



    - We have some hits in Estonia, but even more in Germany, Hanssen explains.

    The search indicates that it is likely that the man we are hunting for the identity of is Western European.

    - But we also have hits in South America. Most of the hits are in Colombia.

    The result is very surprising.

    Department director Bente Mevåg tells us that this result only gives us a clue as to where the man can come from. The fact that most observations of this Y profile of the DNA thread appear in Colombia may also be related to the fact that this country has a large database of registered Y profiles.

    Department director Bente Mevåg tells us that this result only gives us a clue as to where the man can come from. The fact that most observations of this Y profile of the DNA thread appear in Colombia may also be related to the fact that this country has a large database of registered Y profiles.

    - This really tells us something about migration, says Mevåg.

    There are several million people in South America, for example, of German descent. Only in Colombia has there been a large proportion of Germans since the beginning of the 20th century. According to an article on Wikipedia , many Germans returned to Germany in the mid-1980s. They chose to leave Colombia because of the civil war.

    Åsted Norge has done surveys around the clothes of the unknown man, and mostly indicates that the clothes are manufactured and bought in Germany in the 1980s.

    With this in mind, we continue the surveys in Germany and Central Europe.

    Åsted Norway expert Asbjørn Hansen is surprised that the result points in the direction of Colombia.

    - It was unexpected, but at the same time we have to assume that the clothes are most likely coming from Germany. So it will be exciting to see what more we find out.


    Har funnet «Kambomannens» DNA i 30 år gamle blodflekker

    THE QUEST FOR THE CAMBOMANS IDENTITY: PART 3

    Asbjørn makes a surprising find in the "Camomann's" shoes
    KREFELD, GERMANY (ÅSTED NORGE / TV 2): 30 years after an unidentified man is found dead on the train line between Kambo and Moss, Åsted Norge makes a remarkable finding in the man's shoes.


    The trail leads to Germany

    The only safe track we have is a mark in the man's underpants. The label is Elan Body and the material description is in German.

    We will get help from the German textile museum in Krefeld Linn, just outside Düsseldorf, to find out more about the man's clothes.

    It is the archaeologist Dr. Annette Schieck who welcomes us. She is an expert on clothing and has previously only studied pictures we have sent her from the clothes and items found on the unidentified man.

    Since biological material has been secured from the clothes, we get permission from Kripos to bring our clothes to Germany.

    –Oh ... it is very similar to the Schimanski jacket, Schieck exclaims when Asbjørn takes the "Cambomans' jacket out of the suitcase.

    The only safe track we have is a mark in the man's underpants. The label is Elan Body and the material description is in German.

    We will get help from the German textile museum in Krefeld Linn, just outside Düsseldorf, to find out more about the man's clothes.

    It is the archaeologist Dr. Annette Schieck who welcomes us. She is an expert on clothing and has previously only studied pictures we have sent her from the clothes and items found on the unidentified man.

    Since biological material has been secured from the clothes, we get permission from Kripos to bring our clothes to Germany.

    –Oh ... it is very similar to the Schimanski jacket, Schieck exclaims when Asbjørn takes the "Cambomans' jacket out of the suitcase.


    Schimanski jacket
    Horst Schimanski was a character in a fictional political series that has been broadcast on German television since the 1970s. He was an innovative figure and broke with the ideals one had with a German police investigator.

    Instead of a stiff suit, Schimanski was wearing a type of field jacket. The jacket he used became called Schimanski jacket, and became very popular with middle-aged men in Germany in the 1980s.

    "All German men of a certain age wanted to wear such a jacket," says the archaeologist.

    Dr. Annette Schieck also looks closer at the rest of her clothes. The yellow machine-knit sweater, a striped shirt, a support stocking, an undershirt, an imitation leather belt, a white and brownish handkerchief.

    She believes that the clothes are of cheap quality and that they are probably bought at a store in German warehouses such as Herties or Alsterhaus.

    The clothes can be manufactured for sale in men's wards in this type of warehouse. For example, the belt is of poor quality, imitated leather.

    - I think maybe the belt might have followed the jeans when he bought it.

    Cheap clothes, expensive shoes
    There is also the possibility that the man did not buy the clothes himself, that he had received them at a hospice for the homeless, for example at the Salvation Army. Nevertheless, the clothes are not typically expensive in terms of design and quality.

    At the same time, the shoes man has costly. In the 1980s, Mephisto shoes were not commonplace. The shoes were often bought by people with good advice.

    The shoes should be comfortable to walk in, preferably over longer distances. They were also recommended to people with health challenges.

    The man who designed the shoes made them for engineers and architects, men who were out in the field and needed good and solid footwear.

    The scoop that the dead man wore is well used. They are pulled down on the outer edges of the soles at the back of the shoe.

    At the same time, the shoelaces are quite unused in relation to the shoes.

    - What the hell is that?
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    On the inside of the left shoe we find a mysterious piece of paper that is taped. On the note is the number 15250. The police oversaw the note during the surveys in 1987.

    For the first time, we can also examine the shoes more closely. The blood stains that were on the shoes have been secured. We can therefore take them out of the plastic bag and study the shoes closer.


    He stays and stares down into the shoe as he shoves. Inside the left shoe there is a patch that is taped firmly. Below the faded tape we can see a number. 15250.


    - It is certainly not the police that put it there, states the former Kripos investigator.

    The patch has been overlooked during the surveys of the clothes in 1987. When the unidentified man was obscured, they did not focus on the clothes.They also did not believe that the matter would be as great a mystery as it has become. The shoe has been tilted by the body, and it has not been looked into at it ... until now.

    Together with archaeologist Annette Schieck, we investigate the note further. The manuscript on the patch typically seems German.

    "Especially the one-figure is typically German handwriting," says Schieck.

    One numbers can almost look like a V upside down. The writing style is very special for Germany.

    Believe "The Cambodian" may be German
    But what does this number mean?Can there be numbering from a used store? Could it be a secret code?Could it be a number that the owner didn't have to lose?

    Archaeologist Annette Schieck draws a picture of the man as a typical middle-aged West German man in the 1980s.

    - I'm just getting more and more convinced that he was German. He may even have come from the area we are in now, in the border fences towards the Netherlands.

    If the man is not German, then anyway, the man suggests that he has stayed in Germany and bought his clothes there, once in the 1980s.

    The discovery of the note in the shoe is so remarkable that Kripos wants to take new pictures of the shoes. The patch can be a new important track in the quest for the "Cambomans" identity.
    Asbjørn gjør et overraskende funn i «Kambomannens» sko

    KAMBOMANNEN» EPISODE 4

    Viewer can have crucial tips in the 30-year-old mystery
    CAMBOO / OSLO (ÅSTED NORWAY): The retired trailer driver Roy Sandberg (70) has a very interesting story to tell from a September night in 1987.

    Two weeks ago, Roy Sandberg (70) sat in his chair at his own home at Kambo in Østfold and then at Åsted Norge on TV 2.

    Here he first hears about the mystery of the "Cambodian".

    Throughout his working life, he has been driving a trailer on a mission all over Europe.

    It is only now that he hears the story of the unidentified man who was found dead just over a mile from his house on September 22, 1987.

    Immediately, he got to think of an episode in late September 1987.

    Loaded in Italy
    Åsted Norge meets Roy at home in the living room in the house at Kambo.He shows us an old passport. Side up and down with stamps, testify to a comprehensive travel business around Europe.

    - Here is the stamp from the GDR, and here is from Czechoslovakia, he explains.

    At the end of September almost 30 years ago, Roy is on one of many transport assignments. He is in northern Italy, possibly in Milan.

    - I'm pretty sure I loaded in Italy. I don't think I loaded any other places on that trip, he says.

    He runs out of Italy and northwest, through Switzerland and further into Germany.


    Heard a sound

    In a resting place somewhere along the motorway in Germany, Roy eats dinner. When he returns to the car, he discovers that something is abnormal.

    - I was wondering if I had been to something, because there was a hole in the tarpaulin on the plane, he says.

    The hole is the size of a hand and cut like a triangle. Roy does not think anything more about this until he comes home to Norway and parks at Kambo.

    Here he is picked up by his wife. He will be home and rest before he will drive to a terminal in Oslo and unload the next morning. As he exits the trailer, he hears a sound.

    - I asked if my wife heard anything, but she didn't. It was as if there was a carton that fell.

    He thought it was strange, but he never checks what it is and goes home.

    The next morning he comes back to the car. Some have cut a large hole in the tarpaulin.

    - It was big enough for a man to get out. I thought it might have been thieves on the go, but there was nothing missing in the cargo.

    Roy doesn't think anything more about it. It is only 30 years after he understands what it may have been.


    May have seen the lights from Moss
    In 1987, the railway went into the tunnel just next to the place Roy parked his trailer that particular evening.

    - I parked here, says Roy.

    He says that from this place he could see the railways.

    The railway track went through the area to Kambo mill and further along the sea all the way to Moss. It was here, a few hundred meters from Kambo mill in the direction of Moss, that the so-called Cambomans were found dead on the morning of 22 September 1987.
    - He may have seen the lights from Moss and started to walk, says Roy.

    - Natural to follow the rails
    Åsted Norway expert Asbjørn Hansen thinks the same.
    - If you come to a completely foreign place, then it is natural to follow the railways. After all, it will usually lead you to a place of settlement.

    Roy is becoming more and more certain that the unidentified man who was hit and killed by the train may have been included as a passport behind the cargo plane - all the way from Italy.

    Why the man sneaked aboard a trailer to Norway, we may never get an answer.

    One thing is certain, however: It becomes more clear to Asbjørn that the man did not kill himself on purpose.
    - Why would he sit for three days behind the plane of a trailer all the way from Italy, then go and kill himself?


    The locomotive saw man at the railroad


    We have found a report that was written by Jernbaneverket's station manager who moved out to the scene of the collision between Moss and Kambo in 1987.

    In the report, the station manager writes that a locomotive on a freight train on his way to Moss observed a man with the same description as the man who was hit and killed.

    The man was just standing along the track. About half an hour later, the man is found dead by locomotive Svein Ivar Johannessen who runs the commuter train from Moss.

    Åsted Norge has tracked the forensic technician who was sent out by the police in Moss this September day in 1987.

    He says the first thing that struck him when he saw the scene was that the dead man might have tried to board the train.

    - We have now perhaps got an answer to what the Kamboman did here on the deserted railway stretch between Kambo and Moss on the morning of 22 September 1987. It is less and less that indicates that it was a self-killing.
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    It was here, on the now abandoned train route between Kambo and Moss, that the unknown man was found dead early in the morning of 22 September 1987
    Åsted Norge-seer kan ha avgjørende tips i 30 år gammelt mysterium

    May be identical to a man who disappeared without a trace in 1977

    Christmas Eve in 1977, 54-year-old Rémy Buillard disappears from the village of Rossens in Friborg in the French-speaking part of Switzerland.

    The searches for him in 1977 are fruitless. He has disappeared without a trace.

    Ten years later, an unknown man was found dead on the deserted railway line between Kambo and Moss in Østfold. The man who is probably in his 60s is hit and killed by the train. He has no ID papers on him. All he has in his pockets is a half-empty pack of Camel cigarettes and a Swiss Army pocket knife.

    Is this the same man who disappeared ten years earlier?

    Many similarities

    In recent weeks, Åsted Norway expert and former Kripos investigator Asbjørn Hansen spent a lot of time studying the grainy black and white image of the man from Switzerland.
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    - There is a lot similar. When we study the picture, we see that several facial features are the same. We can assume that the picture of the missing was taken perhaps once in the 1960s.It can look like hairstyle and clothing style.

    It was after a tip from the former truck driver Roy Sandberg that the pieces began to fall into place in the mystery we have been working on since late summer 2016.

    In 1987, Roy Sandberg drove the trailer and was on many transport assignments in Europe. The feature about Kambomannen at Åsted Norge made him think back to September 1987. Then he picked up cargo, probably in Milan in northern Italy.

    On his way home to Norway, he suspected that something was not as it should be. The day after he had parked the trailer on Kambo, he discovered that someone had made a large hole in the tarpaulin on the loading platform.Big enough for a man to go out.

    - When I saw that picture of the knife, the cabal went up, Roy tells Åsted Norge.

    He feels that he has received an answer to something that has smiled in mind for almost 30 years.

    Website for missing people
    One big question in this matter has been why no one knew about the man found dead on the railroad early in the morning of 22 September 1987. Why hadn't anyone seen him in this area earlier?

    It may not be so strange if he was a passport from Italy.

    There are a lot of cases with people who are reported missing in Europe during the current time period, but it is difficult to find information about these people.

    During the research we happen to come across the website The Doe Network. It is on this side that the picture of the missing Swiss appears.

    - I was a little put out when I saw this picture, says Asbjørn Hansen.
    The similarity between the so-called Cambomans and the missing Rémy Bulliard from Switzerland is striking.

    Waiting for response from Switzerland
    Åsted Norway has requested help from Police Cantonale in Switzerland to find more information in the case.
    Kan være identisk med mann som forsvant sporløst i 1977

    Since the case is so old, it is difficult to obtain more information.

    Swedish police inform Åsted Norge that they see the similarity of the pictures and that they will do surveys to find out more about the case.

    If the police get DNA from the missing man's relatives, we can find out if we have found the identity of the man who is in the unmarked tomb of Jeløya in Moss.
    Kan være identisk med mann som forsvant sporløst i 1977
     


  2. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    Very interesting, @worldwatcher!

    The thread title should read The Kambo Man, not Kamp, as this is the name of the place he was found. Can a mod correct this, please?
     
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    Yes correct,The Kambo Man!
    Yesterday I did try to contact a mod as soon as I found out that I posted a typo on the thread title
    Would be great,if this mistake is corrected.
     
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    worldwatcher Well-Known Member

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    Wow yes,he does look a lot like the Kambo Man!!
    I just tried to search more info on Pierre Berset but can't find much.
    I guess old newspaper articles has more info stored in their archive?

    And Remy Bulliard is ruled out by DNA:
    'Swiss police had found a brother of Rémy Bulliard, and with the help of his DNA they could rule out that this was the Kambo Man.
    Kambomannen: DNA-svar fra politiet i Sveits

    Here is a little bit more information about autopsy report from The Kambo Man and the missing Remy Bulliard:
    'In five episodes, Åsted Norge has tried to find the identity of a man who was found dead on the train line between Kambo and Moss early in the morning on 22 September 1987.

    On a website over missing persons, there is a picture of a man who was reported missing in 1977. The similarity to the "Kambo Man" who was found dead on the train line ten years later, is striking.

    Åsted Norge is in contact with Interpol and Swiss police to find possible relatives of the man in the picture.

    Newspaper note from 1978
    After Åsted Norge showed the picture of Remy Bulliard last Monday, we received an email from a man in Germany who follows the mystery of the Cambrian. On a crime forum, he was informed of a newspaper note from the newspaper Le Libertè on January 14, 1978.

    In this article, it says that 54-year-old Remy Bulliard from Rossens was unmarried and worked on a sawmill.

    After the disappearance on December 23, 1977, there was a search in the immediate area, without finding any findings.
    In the newspaper article a few weeks after the disappearance, the police in Friborg ask for tips on the matter.

    Here it is stated that the 54-year-old man was injured in the right index finger and was 180 centimeters high.

    Åsted Norge has gone through the autopsy report which was written after the investigation of the Cambrian man in 1987. Apart from a violation in the left forefinger, there is no mention of any more about older injuries. The Kambo man was measured to be only 167 centimeters tall.
    - Firstly, there is only an injury described in the right index finger. We don't know what that damage means. The other thing that is said is that he should be 180 cm tall. We know how accurate this information is and how accurately the Kambo Man was measured during the autopsy.
    Ukjent avisnotis fra 1978 avdekker nye opplysninger i mysteriet om Kambomannen
     
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    Again thank you for the update about Mr Bulliard.

    Regarding Mr Berset, I’m trying google translate to see if I can search information in france, italien and german (as the official languages in Switzerland) - not much luck yet... and I’m not sure it will work.
    It seem the heigth of Mr Berset and Kamboman are alike too.
    If we asume that Kamboman came to Norway with Roy Sandbergs trailer. I wonder if he was going somewhere else and accidentally ended up in Norway because he didn’t get a chance to leave the trailer in time.
     
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    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    I've gathered Kambomannens information for focus:

    Date of discovery:
    Sept. 22nd, 1987 at 08 o'clock in the morning by train driver headed north towards Oslo.

    Age:
    50 - 60 years old, most likely 55 - 60.

    Cause of death:
    Hit by train.
    All of his injuries are consistent with the ones you would get being hit by a train, but it is not certain if his death was accidental or deliberate (there had been many suicides by train in that area at the time). It has also been theorised that he could have been pushed in front of a oncoming train (homicide).

    He did not have alcohol nor drugs in his system, and was seemingly in good health for his age.

    Postmortem interval:
    Hours.

    Body condition:
    Recognisable face.

    Identifiers:
    - DNA obtained in 2017 from blood found on the man's cigarette package.
    - Fingerprints obtained.
    - He most likely wore upper-jaw dentures, but they were gone.

    It is standard procedure to obtain DNA, fingerprints and dentals (if available) from UIDs in Norway.

    Clothing / Accessories:
    - A gray blouse jacket / military jacket.
    - Blue jeans trousers.
    - A white shirt with dark thin stripes.
    - Two medical support socks with three blue stripes at the top with open toe.
    - A yellow machine-knit sweater with a square pattern.
    - A white undershirt.
    - Underwear of the brand Elan Body.
    - A handkerchief with brown stripes in a square pattern.
    - A black belt of artificial material (fake leather, poor quality).
    - A red Victorinox Swiss Army pocket knife of the model "Climber".
    - A softpack of Camel cigarettes. Produced in the West for the Eastern European market.
    - Well-used brown Mephisto shoes, expensive at the time. New shoelaces.

    Additional information:
    - Most of the labels on his clothing had been removed.
    - His underwear, jeans, and one of the socks have since disappeared.
    - His clothes were washed (because this is 1987, so DNA is pretty much sci-fi at the time).
    - His clothes were found to be bought at low-priced German shopping centres such as Herties or Alsterhaus. Cheap and low quality.
    He might even have been given the clothes through a homelessness centre or The Salvation Army.
    - A piece of paper with the number 15250 was found taped inside one of his shoes in 2017. "Typical German handwriting". KRIPOS still investigates the meaning of this number.
    - He did not carry any ID.

    Discovery:
    The Kambo Man was discovered on the railroad tracks in Kambo, a place slightly north of Moss in Østfold county, by a train driver.

    This specific location was not easily accessible by people at the time as the tracks were placed between the Oslofjord on one side and steep hills and very dense forest on the other (the picture below is from present time; there hasn't railroad tracks there since the mid 90s). The only way to get to the location where he was found is either by sea or follow the tracks (a very risky business since the trains goes frequently, even in 1987).

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    All traffic is stopped, and the train returns to the old Kambo station. The police arrived at 08.50.

    This route is not operational any longer.

    The man was found laying on his stomach on the left side of the tracks. His right arm and foot had been separated from his body due to the train impact.

    The Kambo Man was brought to Oslo for autopsy, and was buried 23/3 1988 in row 15 on Jeløya kirkegård in Moss (see picture below).

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    Foto: Kristian Ervik

    Rule outs:
    Several men have been ruled out through Interpol, but I can't find a list of the specific rule-outs.

    Through DNA testing, it is believed that The Kambo Man was possibly from Germany, Germany close to the Dutch border, Vest- Europe, Estonia, or even Colombia.

    However, he is NOT Cambodian! This is simply just a horrible Google Translate error!
     
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    Where were the old tracks in relation to the current ones?
     
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    Thank you for the great consis overview of the case.
     
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    New DNA methodology can answer thousands of issues - the police have to wait
    New DNA analysis may provide answers in thousands of criminal cases, but it may take years before the police use the new methods.




    DNA samples from an unknown person are prepared in the centrifuge of the court genetic center. Such DNA samples can soon become the police's most reliable eyewitnesses.

    - Extended DNA analysis may be relevant to use in mysteries such as the Kambomannen, the Isdalskinner and the Plazakwoman, says Harald Skjønsfjell, head of the ID group in Kripos.

    With extended DNA analysis, the police will be able to quickly get answers on how an unknown person looks and where the person comes from.


    Harald Skjønsfjell, who heads the ID group in Kripos and Kanar Alkass, looks at pictures of Isdalskvinnens teeth. New DNA analysis can provide answers to the riddle.

    PHOTO: ØYVIND BYE SKILLE / NRK
    And it's not just unidentified as the technology can be applied. The police have DNA material from 13,000 unidentified persons related to criminal cases in Norway.There can be talk of biological material from both murder and rape cases.

    - The new methods in DNA can help the police find the identity of at least half of these unidentified persons, says Ole Johan Borge, director of the Biotechnology Council. Among ethnic Norwegian people, the proportion of hits is likely to be even higher.

    The Biotechnology Council recommends that the police be able to use the new methods. It is especially the search for family members in the police DNA registry, or private DNA databases, they believe will help the police.

    Also read: NRK reveals: Sensational findings in unsolved crime cases

    DNA can predict freckles
    In Tromsø, Thomas Berg at the Legal Genetic Center is ready to help the police use the technology.

    - We can assist the police today. First, we must get an assignment from the ID group in Kripos. And then we have to see if this is something we can solve.

    Thomas Berg is the general manager of the Legal Genetic Center in Tromsø.He researches the use of DNA to predict the appearance and origin of unknown persons. He is ready to analyze police DNA samples, but must probably wait for new regulations.


    The legal genetic center is working to quality assure the methods and see how reliable the tests are on a Norwegian population.

    - Something we can say with pretty much security, such as eye color and hair color. In terms of geographical origin, we can now distinguish between European, African and Asian origins. But we are working on improving the methods, so that we hope soon to be able to tell, for example, whether the person is northern or southern Europe, he says.


    The Biotechnology Council wants debate on the police's use of DNA. They want to expand police capabilities.

    Today, research is being done, among other things, on tests for age, height, freckles, or face shape such as nose, cheekbone, earlobe and chin.

    - For example, we have begun to explore the possibility of predicting baldness. But so far, the results are too uncertain, so the utility value is low, says Berg.

    But the police need clearer guidelines before they will use the new methods. The law probably also needs to be updated.Therefore, the police have sent a request to the Director of Public Prosecutions.


    May take years before the methods are put into use
    First Prosecutor Guri Lenth of the Attorney General says they want this to be considered in more detail.

    - This applies, for example, to family searches in the police DNA records, says Lenth. Family search involves searching for people who may be related to the origin of the track or person profile.

    .
    First Prosecutor Guri Lenth of the Director of Public Prosecutions will request an investigation before the police use the new DNA technology.There is uncertainty about the legal room for maneuver and ethical aspects of the technology that mean that the police must wait for investigation and any new legislation.


    Other possibilities, such as tests for appearance and origin, can probably be possible within the current regulations, says Lenth. But here too, the pages of the Attorney General's opinion deserve the legislature's attention.

    After the New Year, the Director of Public Prosecutions will address a request to the Ministry of Justice with the recommendation that an investigation be carried out on the use of DNA in criminal justice. A legislative process can take a long time, and it can therefore take several years before the police can use the new methods.

    Resourceful investigation
    - Which of the cases where the ID group has secured DNA traces are most appropriate for the use of extended DNA analysis?

    - All things are basically just as interesting, because they are unidentified bodies. But it is perhaps the newest cases that are most relevant to use, because that is where there is the greatest opportunity to get an answer, says Skjønsfjell.

    The Norwegian DNA registry was established in 1998. Today, this includes DNA profiles from approximately 88,000 people. The number is steadily increasing.
    Ny DNA-metode kan gi liksvar
     
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    What about having his DNA Isotope analysis done to give a region where he is from? (probably Germany but maybe not). Or even submit it to ancestry websites so find relatives and maybe get a name?

    Also, he looks a little like Dale Kerstetter
    Dale Kerstetter – The Charley Project
     
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    Yes,he does!
    Also the date could be matching..
    Quite an interesting story of Dale..wonder which brand of cigarettes he smoked?
     
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    The Kambo Man is one of 15 unknown victims in Norway, 3 of them are Germans. After all that we know. All three died under most strange circumstances. Isdal Woman, the Jane in the Oslo Plaza and the Kambo Man, all had no labels in their clothes.
     
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    Can't wait for the next installment.
     
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    Bump for Kambo Man.
     
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    Not to step on anyones foot, but that case sums up all the misery of European LE agencies regarding modern ID technologies..... washing evidence, even in 1987 a no go (even before DNA, they did pollen and fiber analysis, you dont put evidence into the wash)! Being quick with the espionage theory (would a spy wear hospital compression stockings and crummy clothing?). And doing Y -DNA, which is good for nothing unless you know who to compare him to.

    And that case is from 1987(!!!) but they treat it as if it is 1907...
     
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    The last article shows faint efforts to use more comprehensive DNA profiling but it looks like that was nipped in the bud.

    Mephisto shoes were/are comfy,not very elegant walking shoes for elderly and people with foot issues, bunions and so on. Popular in Germany and Austria (my granny wore them), not sure if anywhere else. Edit, also sold in France.
     
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    From what I remember, the shoes were expensive, comparing with the rest of his outfit.
     
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