NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

[bears10]

On mobile so idk how to formally quote, but some things that caught my eye from this link https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/...gambling.html?referer=https://www.google.com/


Mr. Paddock was also a “starer,” Mr. Weinreich said.
“He loved to stare at other people playing,” he said. “It was not a good thing because it would make other VIPs in the high-limit area uncomfortable.”
“One of my guests once said to me, ‘He really gives me the creeps.’”

“Video poker is the crack cocaine of gambling,” Mr. Curtis said.
There are no opponents. There is no bluffing or worrying about competitors’ hands. Generally, five cards are drawn from a refreshed 52-card virtual deck — instantly on the video screen — and players decide which ones to “hold,” or keep, and which ones to exchange for new cards. Players calculate the possibilities remaining in the 47 other cards.

It is a game of coldly calculated probabilities, played without hunches or emotion.
“Gut feel has nothing to do with it,” said Bob Dancer, a professional video poker player in Las Vegas who has written 10 books on the subject. “If I have a feeling that says, ‘I’m going for another heart,’ then I will lie down until the feeling goes away.”

He always carried two cellphones, each with a different carrier, in case one network was down.

 

[popsicle]

Nephew Patrick is shocked

http://www.wjr.com/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooters-nephew-in-michigan-im-shocked/

He says he wishes he could make it to the funerals of every victim who was killed in the shooting.

http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Nephew-of-Las-Vegas-shooter-talks-to-News-10-449331453.html

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...girlfriends-nephew-stunned-by-gunmans-actions

"He says Stephen Paddock planned to survive and escape but didn't say how."

___
ESCAPE ROUTE
Methodical -almost tacticle military planning, what has he gonna do? Parachute?

REMEMBER THAT WORD, ESCAPE ROUTE...
We will hear it again
IMO

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[bears10]

Being angry and aggressive could cause someone to get into fights, not meticulously plan mass murder.

Agree. Plus weed lasts like an hour. It’s not something that will cause you to stockpile weapons over the course of a year to kill 58 people.

 

[jjenny]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...girlfriends-nephew-stunned-by-gunmans-actions

"He says Stephen Paddock planned to survive and escape but didn't say how."

___
ESCAPE ROUTE
Methodical -almost tacticle military planning, what has he gonna do? Parachute?

REMEMBER THAT WORD, ESCAPE ROUTE...
We will hear it again
IMO

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How exactly would he think he could have escaped? He was on 32nd floor, it's not like he could have jumped out. Did he plan to shoot then leave the room quickly, but security guard destroyed those plans?

 

[katydid23]

Agree. Plus weed lasts like an hour. It’s not something that will cause you to stockpile weapons over the course of a year to kill 58 people.

I never implied that the shooter was high on weed.

I was making a comparison to drugs that are supposed to calm someone down, and how they cannot do that effectively if there is simmering anger simmering below the surface.

ETA; sorry if I misunderstood your post. :wave:

 

[katydid23]

Being angry and aggressive could cause someone to get into fights, not meticulously plan mass murder.

I was not saying anything about this killer smoking pot.

 

[mrsu]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/stephen-paddock-gambling.html

“According to a person who has reviewed Mr. Paddock’s gambling history, and who requested anonymity because the information was part of an active police investigation, dozens of “currency transaction reports,” which casinos must send the federal government for transactions greater than $10,000, were filed in Mr. Paddock’s name. Mr. Paddock had six-figure credit lines at casinos that afforded him the chance to make big sums in long sit-down sessions, and he was known as someone who always paid his accounts. His rooms were often comped, meaning given to him free, including this past weekend at Mandalay Bay, according to the person familiar with his history.”

“He was there to play, not to party. The night before the shooting, Mr. Paddock made two complaints to the hotel about noise coming from his downstairs neighbors: Albert Garzon, a restaurant owner visiting from San Diego, and his wife and friends. Mr. Garzon, who was staying in 31-135, directly beneath Mr. Paddock, said security guards knocked on his door around 1:30 a.m. on Sunday and asked him to turn down his music, country songs. When he asked where the complaint was coming from, pointing out that the nearest rooms on either side were far away, the security guard said, “It’s the guest above you.””

“Mr. Paddock was also a “starer,” Mr. Weinreich said.

“He loved to stare at other people playing,” he said. “It was not a good thing because it would make other VIPs in the high-limit area uncomfortable.”

“One of my guests once said to me, ‘He really gives me the creeps.’””

““Video poker is the crack cocaine of gambling,” Mr. Curtis said.

There are no opponents. There is no bluffing or worrying about competitors’ hands. Generally, five cards are drawn from a refreshed 52-card virtual deck — instantly on the video screen — and players decide which ones to “hold,” or keep, and which ones to exchange for new cards. Players calculate the possibilities remaining in the 47 other cards.

A pair of jacks or better might earn the bet back, a “wash” for the player. A royal flush might pay 400 times the bet — perhaps a $50,000 payout on a $125 wager.

For experts like Mr. Paddock, who had played the game for 25 years, his brother said, each hand required only a few seconds of time. Ten hands could be played in a minute. The computer kept track of the financial tally.

It is a game of coldly calculated probabilities, played without hunches or emotion.”

“Mr. Paddock gambled as he lived, his brother said — methodically, always weighing the odds. He was cautious and liked to plan ahead, Eric Paddock said, and didn’t like leaving things to chance. He always carried two cellphones, each with a different carrier, in case one network was down.

Mr. Paddock was in the high-limit room at Mandalay Bay last Thursday night, playing a machine that allowed him to bet $100 with each deal of the virtual cards. Nearby, Ron Cohen, a part-time Las Vegas resident and longtime customer at Mandalay Bay, hit a big hand on his machine and rose excitedly from his chair. He had not met Mr. Paddock, but his enthusiasm caused Mr. Paddock to pause and turn.

“What’d you hit?” Mr. Paddock asked Mr. Cohen.

“A royal flush,” Mr. Cohen recalled on Tuesday night, when he returned to Mandalay Bay to play and show support for the employees there.

“Good job,” Mr. Paddock replied. And he went back to playing.”

 

[Cryptic]

I will not be surprised if it comes out that he was in major financial problems bc of his gambling. I’ve never come across anyone or so much as read about anyone who can sustain a millionaire lifestyle by gambling on SLOTS of all things. Poker or blackjack would be wayyyy more reasonable. But slots? Come on. Not realistic at all IMO and this is coming from someone who loves to play slots.

I have to be honest it seems kind of awkward and cringey to say that you’re a professional gambler... people assume poker or blackjack ... then you respond “oh no, video poker and slots”. Cringe.

My guess is that he used the term "professional gambler" to mean:

Professional Gambler (n) An independently wealthy person who does not need to work and who has sufficient wealth from investments or inheritances to sustain his gambling hobby indefinitely.

Also intelligent people who spend mind numbing amounts of time playing select video poker / slot machines can evidently start to figure out parts of the algorithms that produce the "random" (but not truly random in the mathematical sense) hands of cards / wheel results by trial and error. The software also needs to conform to legal requirements, thus probably presenting other approaches for study.

Such people can then limit their losses, or in some cases, actually achieve a small advantage through perfect play over long periods of time. The casinos don't take chances, so they change out machines / algorithms. On one occasion, they banned a former nurse turned addict whose classes to other junkies on playing a specific model(s) of video slot machine(s) were too good for casino comfort.

 

[dizzychick]

Where I live we have the Mental Health Act. The police take you to the hospital for an assessment. As a result you may have all your firearms seized. I don't know the process in Nevada. However if the girlfriend had noticed that his mental health was deteriorating and made a call and the police attended at the very least he would have been on the radar and maybe that would have prevented him from acquiring so many weapons. I am not sure how somebody hoards so many firearms and nobody thinks it's a red flag.

no way would she have done that even if she knew he was cray cray, just my opinion but he chose her for a reason, she was passive, quite, submissive etc all the things he wanted in a partner, maid, lover etc. She would not want to jepordize what she got out of the deal. No more working as a waitress at her age.

 

[jjenny]

I was not saying anything about this killer smoking pot.

Pot, valium, the same idea applies. Even if it makes someone angry and aggressive, how is it going to cause them to meticulously plan a murder?

 

[Gardenista]

On mobile so idk how to formally quote, but some things that caught my eye from this link https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/...gambling.html?referer=https://www.google.com/


Mr. Paddock was also a “starer,” Mr. Weinreich said.
“He loved to stare at other people playing,” he said. “It was not a good thing because it would make other VIPs in the high-limit area uncomfortable.”
“One of my guests once said to me, ‘He really gives me the creeps.’”

“Video poker is the crack cocaine of gambling,” Mr. Curtis said.
There are no opponents. There is no bluffing or worrying about competitors’ hands. Generally, five cards are drawn from a refreshed 52-card virtual deck — instantly on the video screen — and players decide which ones to “hold,” or keep, and which ones to exchange for new cards. Players calculate the possibilities remaining in the 47 other cards.

It is a game of coldly calculated probabilities, played without hunches or emotion.
“Gut feel has nothing to do with it,” said Bob Dancer, a professional video poker player in Las Vegas who has written 10 books on the subject. “If I have a feeling that says, ‘I’m going for another heart,’ then I will lie down until the feeling goes away.”

He always carried two cellphones, each with a different carrier, in case one network was down.

Super interesting.

 

[bluesneakers]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...girlfriends-nephew-stunned-by-gunmans-actions

"He says Stephen Paddock planned to survive and escape but didn't say how."

___
ESCAPE ROUTE
Methodical -almost tacticle military planning, what has he gonna do? Parachute?

REMEMBER THAT WORD, ESCAPE ROUTE...
We will hear it again
IMO

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No one saw him. He could have snuck out and blended in easily, and been long gone before they found the room. Maybe that's why he stopped.

 

[No it's not]

How exactly would he think he could have escaped? He was on 32nd floor, it's not like he could have jumped out. Did he plan to shoot then leave the room quickly, but security guard destroyed those plans?

He may have booked the adjacent room(s) under a different name. If he booked a block of rooms in different names, he could have just walked through the connection doors and possibly exited as hotel personnel with ID. Well, but he didn't.

-Nin

 

[mnegri1973]

How exactly would he think he could have escaped? He was on 32nd floor, it's not like he could have jumped out. Did he plan to shoot then leave the room quickly, but security guard destroyed those plans?

Makes me wonder if he had another room booked somewhere else in the hotel. He could have made it to that room and if what Fox News just reported is accurate, if he had succeeded in blowing up those tanks filled with fuel, that would have been the distraction that he would have needed to make it out of the 2nd room unnoticed as all attention would be on the venue.


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[jjenny]

No one saw him. He could have snuck out and blended in easily, and been long gone before they found the room. Maybe that's why he stopped.

He stopped after he shot the security guard. At that time other people were outside. There was no way for him to escape the room by using his door.

 

[bears10]

He may have targeted jet fuel tanks but wasn’t able to penetrate them according to Fox News TV channel

 

[jjenny]

He may have booked the adjacent room(s) under a different name. If he booked a block of rooms in different names, he could have just walked through the connection doors and possibly exited as hotel personnel with ID. Well, but he didn't.

-Nin

So why didn't he? If he could have walked through connecting rooms somewhere else, why didn't he do it? Clearly he had plenty of time.

 

[CARIIS]

Lazy and rushing at the same time. Not good for journalism.

Hi you

I agree at this point in time we should know from someone other than a disconnected brother about his financial
stuff in a concrete manner moo

 

[dizzychick]

I have a question about the bullets that came out of a gun like the shooter used. How big are they? Is it like a BB or a large bullet that takes down an elephant? Sorry im totally a no gun type chick, my iron skillet is what I thought I would use should the occasion arrise