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NY - $250m fraud against Former President Donald Trump, Trump Org., Eric, Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2
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Tuesday, December 5th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 40) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday, 11/16/23 & NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-38 (10/2-12/1/23) reference post #276 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-14
12/4/23 Monday, Trial Day 39: Defense witness: Frederick Chin, who was qualified as an expert in real estate valuation.
Trump’s lawyers are seeking to appeal last week’s decision reinstating the gag orders in the former president’s civil fraud trial. New York’s Appellate Division First Department vacated a temporary stay of the gag orders last week & Trump’s lawyers are now seeking expedited leave to appeal the decision to New York’s Court of Appeals – the highest court in the New York State system. Former President Donald Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday afternoon. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Defense attorneys intend to complete their questioning of the three expert witnesses by Wednesday, when Eric Trump is expected to return to the witness stand. Trump is scheduled to testify on Monday, Dec. 11, as the last witness in the case.
For more info see post #281 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-15
Bench Trial continues on Tuesday, 12/5/23.
*Bench Trial continues (Day 40) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday, 11/16/23 & NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-38 (10/2-12/1/23) reference post #276 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-14
12/4/23 Monday, Trial Day 39: Defense witness: Frederick Chin, who was qualified as an expert in real estate valuation.
Trump’s lawyers are seeking to appeal last week’s decision reinstating the gag orders in the former president’s civil fraud trial. New York’s Appellate Division First Department vacated a temporary stay of the gag orders last week & Trump’s lawyers are now seeking expedited leave to appeal the decision to New York’s Court of Appeals – the highest court in the New York State system. Former President Donald Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday afternoon. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Defense attorneys intend to complete their questioning of the three expert witnesses by Wednesday, when Eric Trump is expected to return to the witness stand. Trump is scheduled to testify on Monday, Dec. 11, as the last witness in the case.
For more info see post #281 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-15
Bench Trial continues on Tuesday, 12/5/23.
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Trump keeps boasting about how, when elected, he will take revenge against his enemies, "from day one". Who are these people- judges and attorney generals, no less, as well as civil servants, and politicians who haven't toe'd his insane lines. I hope people are listening to what he is saying.
In every trial I have followed, there has been counter accusations, (Lucy Letby's gang of four), out right lies, (Alex Murdaugh wasn't at the dog kennels the night his son and wife were murdered there), and gaslighting, (Jodi Aries was the real victim, not Travis!), and these normally get a lot of media attention. They are often times no more than sensational click baits, but some people always believe them. Almost inevitably, following such "revelations", some of us express reservations about the jury coming to a guilty verdict, even though it seems clear that the defendant is guilty as charged. In all the three cases I've cited, the defendant's seem like unlikely candidates to be murderers, but all are currently incarcerated after being found guilty.
Donald Trump is very successful at sensationlist click bait material, and he has, in the past, been reasonably successful at avoiding appropriate responsibility for some quite bad behaviour. The inner cynic in us all wonders if x or y is just going to be another legal nothingburger. He is, according to some not very rigorous polling, the leading candidate for the GOP, he would beat Biden if an election was held today, and he hasn't even participated in the preselection debates, can anything stop this man?
Well, it's a year out, and polling results at this point have been historically meaningless. These polls are apparently made up of people who answer a random call on their home phone, and is willing to answer questions, mostly older, retired people apparently. Hardly a representative cross section. The GOP is a massive mess, and more than one is being called to account for shady dealings, and Trump hasn't actually successfully been preselected yet. Really, it is impossible to understand Trump's electoral chances, assuming he gets there, in any meaningful way at the moment. He lost last time though, and some of his worst behaviour has been since then, that is probably not good for his campaigning with most people. He has trial after trial to navigate. HIs navigation, thus far, hasn't been successful. Let us watch these trials, and perhaps the campaign, reminding ourselves what we do know, and trying not to be distracted by the dross
In every trial I have followed, there has been counter accusations, (Lucy Letby's gang of four), out right lies, (Alex Murdaugh wasn't at the dog kennels the night his son and wife were murdered there), and gaslighting, (Jodi Aries was the real victim, not Travis!), and these normally get a lot of media attention. They are often times no more than sensational click baits, but some people always believe them. Almost inevitably, following such "revelations", some of us express reservations about the jury coming to a guilty verdict, even though it seems clear that the defendant is guilty as charged. In all the three cases I've cited, the defendant's seem like unlikely candidates to be murderers, but all are currently incarcerated after being found guilty.
Donald Trump is very successful at sensationlist click bait material, and he has, in the past, been reasonably successful at avoiding appropriate responsibility for some quite bad behaviour. The inner cynic in us all wonders if x or y is just going to be another legal nothingburger. He is, according to some not very rigorous polling, the leading candidate for the GOP, he would beat Biden if an election was held today, and he hasn't even participated in the preselection debates, can anything stop this man?
Well, it's a year out, and polling results at this point have been historically meaningless. These polls are apparently made up of people who answer a random call on their home phone, and is willing to answer questions, mostly older, retired people apparently. Hardly a representative cross section. The GOP is a massive mess, and more than one is being called to account for shady dealings, and Trump hasn't actually successfully been preselected yet. Really, it is impossible to understand Trump's electoral chances, assuming he gets there, in any meaningful way at the moment. He lost last time though, and some of his worst behaviour has been since then, that is probably not good for his campaigning with most people. He has trial after trial to navigate. HIs navigation, thus far, hasn't been successful. Let us watch these trials, and perhaps the campaign, reminding ourselves what we do know, and trying not to be distracted by the dross
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Wednesday, Dec. 6th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 41) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge). Closing arguments on 1/11/24.
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday, 11/16/23 & NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December.
Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday (12/5/23) afternoon. Trump still has an avenue to appeal the decision to a higher court; however, the effort will take longer than his lawyers would like. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-39 (10/2-12/4/23) reference post #282 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-15
12/5/23 Tuesday, Trial Day 40: Defense witness: Introduced as an expert on land use, planning, entitlements & zoning John Shubin testify on Trump's valuation of his Mar-a-Lago property in Palm Beach, Florida. Shubin's testimony runs contrary to evidence presented by state lawyers that Trump signed a 2002 deed that surrendered his right to develop the property "for any purpose other than club use."
Lawrence Moens as an expert on the value of residential real estate the Judge ruled.
Engoron appeared attentive to Moen's testimony -- but once Moens left the courtroom, he indicated that he wasn't as concerned about Mar-a-Lago's specific value as he was about whether it was misrepresented. "I see this case about the documents -- whether the defendants used false documents when transacting business," Engoron said. "I am not trying to figure out what the value is ... I don't necessarily consider it relevant."
After being called to the stand by the state last month, Eric Trump had been scheduled to testify for the defense on Wednesday, but now he will not appear. Trump lawyer Chris Kise also requested that Judge Engoron postpone Donald Trump's testimony until the NY Court of Appeals rules on Trump's appeal of the case's gag order. "He is not capable of fully testifying because he is subject to the gag order," Kise said. Engoron flatly denied the request to delay Trump's testimony, which is scheduled for Monday, 12/11/23. "Absolutely not. No way, no how. It's a nonstarter," Engoron said. "If he is going to testify, it'll be Monday, and that's that."
For more info see post #284 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-15
Bench Trial continues on Wednesday, 12/6/23.
*Bench Trial continues (Day 41) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge). Closing arguments on 1/11/24.
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday, 11/16/23 & NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December.
Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday (12/5/23) afternoon. Trump still has an avenue to appeal the decision to a higher court; however, the effort will take longer than his lawyers would like. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-39 (10/2-12/4/23) reference post #282 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-15
12/5/23 Tuesday, Trial Day 40: Defense witness: Introduced as an expert on land use, planning, entitlements & zoning John Shubin testify on Trump's valuation of his Mar-a-Lago property in Palm Beach, Florida. Shubin's testimony runs contrary to evidence presented by state lawyers that Trump signed a 2002 deed that surrendered his right to develop the property "for any purpose other than club use."
Lawrence Moens as an expert on the value of residential real estate the Judge ruled.
Engoron appeared attentive to Moen's testimony -- but once Moens left the courtroom, he indicated that he wasn't as concerned about Mar-a-Lago's specific value as he was about whether it was misrepresented. "I see this case about the documents -- whether the defendants used false documents when transacting business," Engoron said. "I am not trying to figure out what the value is ... I don't necessarily consider it relevant."
After being called to the stand by the state last month, Eric Trump had been scheduled to testify for the defense on Wednesday, but now he will not appear. Trump lawyer Chris Kise also requested that Judge Engoron postpone Donald Trump's testimony until the NY Court of Appeals rules on Trump's appeal of the case's gag order. "He is not capable of fully testifying because he is subject to the gag order," Kise said. Engoron flatly denied the request to delay Trump's testimony, which is scheduled for Monday, 12/11/23. "Absolutely not. No way, no how. It's a nonstarter," Engoron said. "If he is going to testify, it'll be Monday, and that's that."
For more info see post #284 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-15
Bench Trial continues on Wednesday, 12/6/23.
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"Moens' cell phone went off during his testimony, and he briefly interrupted his direct examination to answer a call.
"I'll call you right back … love you," Moens said in a quiet tone as Judge Engoron watched in disbelief."
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"If you are a dreamer, and a great American"-yeah, right, that's a compelling argument in a fraud case! (Who is this great American he is referring to anyway-convicted rapist and fraudster, facing 90 something criminal charges,a proven liar who bullies without mercy, has no respect for the judicial system, cheated on his wife, tried to overthrow an election result, plays the Jan 6 choir song instead of the National Anthem at his rallies-I'd hate to meet someone this guy described as a terrible American!
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Prior to his brief cross-examination, real estate valuation expert Lawrence Moens quoted John Lennon's "Imagine" and compared Donald Trump to Martin Luther King Jr. at the conclusion of his direct testimony.
John Lennon will be "turning over in his grave". So will MLK Jr.
(Do they say that in the US? It means a deceased person would be angry or upset if they knew what was being said.)
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Yes - that is said in the States too. And I do imagine them turning over in their graves....
and GREAT post @minusfour !!
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absolutely. turning over in the grave very common. Used very often!
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Eric gets sidelined.
www.nbcnews.com
Also from yesterday.
In a reversal, Eric Trump will not testify as Trump fraud trial winds down
The former president's son was scheduled to testify as a defense witness Wednesday. His father is still scheduled to testify Monday.
www.nbcnews.com
Also from yesterday.
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"a deep thought" LOLEric gets sidelined.
In a reversal, Eric Trump will not testify as Trump fraud trial winds down
The former president's son was scheduled to testify as a defense witness Wednesday. His father is still scheduled to testify Monday.
Also from yesterday.
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you cannot make this ISH up! really missing the rolling on floor emoji
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MLK envisioned a better life for people in our nation and references the Sermon on the Mount in his speeches. MLK was willing to be imprisoned for his values.
DT envisions fame, power and money for himself and references "sir" stories about himself in his speeches. He is willing for others to be imprisoned for his misdeeds.
The two men are so similar. How could anyone miss it.
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Trump raises new alarms, saying he wouldn't be a 'dictator' except on 'Day One'
At a Fox town hall in Iowa, he avoided answering whether he would "abuse power."
So day one he rips up the Constitution, I presume, and then proceeds from there.
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Search function not working for you? Maybe contact an administrator to let them know. imo
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Moens also put together a seven-minute promotional video about Mar-a-Lago, which was played during his testimony. Set to relaxing music, the video included high-resolution drone shots and dramatic panning shots of the property's amenities.
"I see this case about the documents -- whether the defendants used false documents when transacting business," Engoron said. "I am not trying to figure out what the value is ... I don't necessarily consider it relevant."
"Are you a member at the club?" Wallace asked.
"I am," Moens said, adding that he joined in 1995 or 1996. "I don't go too often. I don't like clubs," he said.
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"I see this case about the documents -- whether the defendants used false documents when transacting business," Engoron said. "I am not trying to figure out what the value is ... I don't necessarily consider it relevant."
"Are you a member at the club?" Wallace asked.
"I am," Moens said, adding that he joined in 1995 or 1996. "I don't go too often. I don't like clubs," he said.
Defense expert says Mar-a-Lago was worth $1.2 billion
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