NY - $250m fraud against Former President Donald Trump, Trump Org., Eric, Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023

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  • #761
I'm with the Judge ... I think Trump was referring to his law clerk, not Cohen.

The defendant is a master at doing and saying things that are obviously wrong, but yet when pointed out, there is enough vagueness for him to gaslight and deny. It's infuriating, and it's obvious when he does it. His supporters will latch on to his defense, but those not duped can see it and are sick of it. Most people wouldn't put up with this behavior from a child, a friend, a spouse, but because he's "famous," he gets away with it.

jmo
 
  • #762
Is Trump trying to create a mis-trial in order to get re-tried by a different judge?
I absolutely believe he is and he might succeed.
 
  • #763
Nah, there's no jury, there will be no mistrial.
 
  • #764
The judge holds a hearing and calls Trump to testify on his remarks.

Trump was just on the stand—and despite expressly finding his testimony not credible, Judge Engoron fined him only $10k payable within 30 days.



The fines will be paid via donations from his supporters. Fines are irrelevant in this instance. The ONLY thing his supporters can't do for him is jail time.

I hope the judge is smart enough to stop with the meaningless fines and sentence him to something relevant.
 
  • #765
The fines will be paid via donations from his supporters. Fines are irrelevant in this instance. The ONLY thing his supporters can't do for him is jail time.

I hope the judge is smart enough to stop with the meaningless fines and sentence him to something relevant.
Lol! Community service?
 
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  • #767
Lol! Community service?
Please, no more "community service". I think January 6 was an attempt at CS.

He needs jail time. Handcuffed to a bench at minimum.
 
  • #768
Please, no more "community service". I think January 6 was an attempt at CS.

He needs jail time. Handcuffed to a bench at minimum.
That’s true, I hadn’t thought about the MAGA way.
 
  • #769
Since WS was down all day for me yesterday - I have included yesterday's notes here.

Thursday, October 26th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 17) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
Trump fined $5,000 for violating his gag order. Justice Engoron did *not* hold him in contempt & noted it was "first time" violation & credited Trump's attorney's arguments that it was "inadvertent." "Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional," will lead to "far more severe sanctions," including "possibly imprisoning" Trump.
Trump fined $10K for violating his gag order (again!).

Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-14 (10/2-10/23/23) reference post #705 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mp-org-and-executives-oct-2023.673964/page-36

10/24/23 Update: Trump defense lawyers Chris Kise, Clifford Robert & Michael Farina have appealed Judge Arthur Engoron's decision to sanction & fine them for making frivolous arguments during pretrial arguments. On the eve of trial, Engoron sanctioned the attorneys for their "continued reliance on bogus arguments," and ordered each to pay a $7,500 fine. "Sanctions are the only way to impress upon defendants' attorneys the consequences of engaging in repetitive, frivolous motion practice after this Court," Engoron wrote in his decision at the time. In their filing, the lawyers have asked an appeals court to determine if Engoron "committed errors of law and/or fact, abused its discretion, and/or acted in excess of its jurisdiction."
Defense attorney Christopher Kise rises to his feet to object to trial continuing today. Why? Because four members of the AG’s team tested positive for COVID last week & Kise says no one on their team was notified until Saturday night. Kise says many people in the courtroom are vulnerable to COVID, including him. He accuses the AG of dispensing with health protocols because “nothing else matters, except pursuing President Trump.” And he says yet another member of the AG’s staff tested positive this morning. He says it is “hypocritical” for the AG to forge ahead while maintaining the health & safety of all New Yorkers is critical. Also defense attorney Cliff Robert to characterize the covid spread as an epidemic. (One member of the Trump legal team has been diagnosed with covid as well). Judge says masks are available & they will proceed. No one on defense wears a mask.
For more info see posts #713, 715, 717, 718 & 724 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mp-org-and-executives-oct-2023.673964/page-37
10/24/23 Tuesday, Bench Trial Day 15: State witness: Former Trump Org. vice president Raymond Flores back on stand to finish his testimony. Michael Cohen, former Trump lawyer. Cross examination continues tomorrow.
For more info see posts #727, 729 & 730 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mp-org-and-executives-oct-2023.673964/page-37
Bench trial continues on Wednesday, 10/25/23.

10/25/23 Wednesday, Bench Trial Day 16: State witness: Michael Cohen back on stand for cross examination.
The judge holds a hearing & calls Trump to testify on his remarks. Trump was just on the stand & despite expressly finding his testimony not credible, Judge Engoron fined him only $10k payable within 30 days.
For more info see posts #742 to 744, 749, 752, 757 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...mp-org-and-executives-oct-2023.673964/page-38
Bench Trial continues on Thursday, 10/26/23.
 
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  • #771
Lol! Community service?
If that happened, he'd probably get someone else to do it for him ;)

The way some people get someone else to sit their exams.
 
  • #772
If that happened, he'd probably get someone else to do it for him ;)

The way some people get someone else to sit their exams.
Who would get someone to take their exams?!?!? Oh wait.

jmo
 
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  • #776
It’s just perfect!

Counting down until Trump calls her ugly, a lunatic, a loser….
Oh yes, he cannot STAND rejection, especially if it’s rejection from a woman.
 
  • #777
Oh yes, he cannot STAND rejection, especially if it’s rejection from a woman.
all those nasty names he calls others, is actually what he is---
 
  • #778

So what comes next? Another fine in an increment of $5000 more than before?

How to shut Former Guy up already?? Jail him for 24 hours is my wish, but I fear all the judges are hesitant to take that step…

jmo
 
  • #779

So what comes next? Another fine in an increment of $5000 more than before?

How to shut Former Guy up already?? Jail him for 24 hours is my wish, but I fear all the judges are hesitant to take that step…

jmo

I believe the prohibition was against any of the Judge's staff, courthouse staff, or others employed by the court.

I don't think Judge Engoron included himself, the Attorney General, or the Governor of New York in his statement.

I think Judge Engoron can take it, and let it all be recorded for any potential appeal, so as to avoid giving Trump etc any chance for success in the appeal
 
  • #780
Trump and his lawyers expect court to work like in the movies.


"Today... was a bit like watching 'Legally Blonde,' MSNBC legal analyst Lisa Rubin told Chris Hayes on his show.

She cited a critical denouement at the end of the film where the judge cuts short a trial after damning testimony.

"For our viewers who know this movie well, there's a moment that the end of the movie where a witness on the stand breaks down and admits to a crime, and the judge essentially rules the trial over, because Elle Woods' client is 'not guilty!'"
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And it was a day where Trump's former "fixer" Michael Cohen was grilled by Trump’s attorneys in an attempt to catch him in a contradiction.

Rubin pointed out that Trump family attorney Cliff Robert tried and failed in big screen fashion to secure what is called a "directed verdict" -- essentially urging the judge to make a hasty decision in favor of Trump solely based on Cohen's testimony on the witness stand.

“Absolutely denied,” Engoron quipped. “This case has evidence, an incredible amount—evidence all over the place…That’s absurd, Mr. Robert.”

"He moved for what's called a directed verdict -- that's asking the judge, basically, truncate the trial, and end it now, fine for us," Rubin said on the show. "And he didn't do that."

"But that's what they expected to happen. And they honestly seemed surprised."

While team Trump was taken aback by the denial, Rubin noted how Trump himself "seemed just downright angry."
 
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