NY NY - "Crazy Diane", Up6837, BlkFem, 18-99, 12/04/1997.

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  1. YaYa_521

    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    "Crazy Diane" ?
    Female, Black / African American

    Date Found. December 4, 1997
    Location Found. New York, New York
    Estimated Age Range. 18-99 Years

    Demographics
    Sex Female
    Race / Ethnicity Black / African American
    Estimated Age Group. Adult
    Estimated Age Range (Years) 18-99
    Estimated Year of Death. 1997
    Estimated PMI-- N/A
    Height. 5' 4" (64 inches) , Measured
    Weight. Cannot Estimate
    Hair. Black, tightly curled
    Eyes. Brown
    Inventory of Remains. All parts recovered
    Condition of Remains. Not recognizable - Charred/burned

    Circumstances of Recovery -
    Unknown female found at above location. There was a fire at this location in 12/3/97, residents were evacuated and the building was sealed. FDNY were responding to a second fire there the morning of 12/4/97 when they came upon the decedent in the second floor apartment. She is possibly a homeless woman known to the neighborhood as "Crazy Diane."

    Location found. -
    154 West 141st Street
    Apt 2E
    New York, New York
    County. New York County
    GPS Coordinates. 40.81806, -73.938734

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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    FL - FL - Diane, 31, & Tammy Hollins (fnd dec'd), 14, Daytona Beach, 11 June 1979

    I wonder whether this UID would be a match to Ms. Diane Hollins? Diane, and Tammy, her daughter, went missing from Daytona Beach, FL in June of 1979. UID was found in 1997. Tammy's body was located in Georgia. Ms. Diane Hollins has never been located.

    It's possible she could have traveled to NY where she lived (possibly homeless) until 1997. I'll reserve any sort of speculation regarding Tammy's remains being located in Ga. vs. Diane continuing on eventually ending in NY. It seems more important to me at this point to determine whether this is a match before I speculate. MOO

    Please review then share your thoughts/input.


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    Diane Hollins

    Demographics
    Missing Age. 31 Years
    Current Age. 71 Years
    First Name Diane
    Middle Name--
    Last Name. Hollins
    Nickname/Alias--


    Sex. Female

    Height 5' 6" (66 Inches)
    Weight 135 lbs
    Race / Ethnicity Black / African American

    Circumstances
    Date of Last Contact. June 11, 1979
    NamUs Case Created. June 24, 2010

    Last Known Location Map

    Location Daytona Beach, Florida
    County. Volusia County

    Circumstances of Disappearance -
    Diane and Tammy (daughter) were last seen on 06/09/1979 at app. 6am, walking down the street away from their house by a neighbor. Unk clothing desc. Diane never showed up for work and Tammy never showed up to school after that day.

    Comparisons: 19 Unidentified Persons
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  3. Jim_M

    Jim_M Well-Known Member

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    I believe this sounds totally plausible. Two inches difference... Would the fire cause contraction of the bones? It does say the UID remains were charred/burned. Hmmm. Anyone familiar with bones' reaction to fire?

    "Crazy Diane", might have witnessed/experienced horrible things IMO. One might have been losing her loving daughter. That's sad, all the way around.
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    I agree Jim. All of our cases are sad to a degree but there are some that beg for answers. Ms. Diane, crazy or not, may have been telling horrific, gory tales of murder and mayhem. She may have suffered anxiety, depression, and extreme paranoia through all her years in NY. There are a million+ reasons "crazy" people behave in certain manners and we're all our own kind of crazy to some degree. But, the challenge with "crazy" people is figuring out what is fact and what is fiction.

    From your post above -
    "Crazy Diane", might have witnessed/experienced horrible things IMO. One might have been losing her loving daughter. That's sad, all the way around."

    Yes, Diane might have seemed "crazy" to the majority of New Yorkers whose lives have never been affected or effected by "witness[ing]/experienc[ing] horrible things". I can only imagine how she and her stories might have seemed far-fetched to others. Some of the stories we concern ourselves with here at WS defy logic! Maybe Diane wasn't so "crazy" after all. :rolleyes::)

    I wondered about damage from the fire. I'm excited to see they were even able to determine anything about her hair. :D I always imagine fire victims spread across or curled on the floor. I had to wonder about positions in which only part of the body remains identifiable while the other part(s) have damage beyond recognition. I'm no fire expert but it seems reasonable to think the heat could have destroyed enough leg bone to make a difference. I'll wait for the fire buffs to stop by here.

    Great points!;)
     
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    Two inches is within the margin of error for most height measurements. Certainly not enough to make a ruleout with so many other things matching.
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    I agree , CCJD, this could be Michelle. The timing is perfect and height, etc. seem close enough for a match. The only things I noticed was the tightly curled hair vs. what's shown in Michelle's pics. Although hair styles are easily changed from longer to shorter and we have no idea how long before she disappeared that the pics were taken. Oh and, "Diane", I wonder if she used this name as an alias?

    Imo, at this point, this many years after the events, it'd be worth investigating the potential match. ;)
     
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    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I’m renaming her.
    Dearest Diane
     
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    Curls come and go...
     
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    Sounds perfect to me! ;)
     
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    I was about to submit Diane Hollins but thought id check her first . Did you ever end up submitting her ? If not I can do it now.
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    I am almost certain I did however I've looked through my emails and notes but haven't found one for Diane, yet. Even if I did send in Diane as a potential match your follow up might help push things along. Please submit and thank you.
     
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    Anything to get some files dusted off and opened!
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    Dearest Diane, we're determined to give you your name back. Rosesfromangels, thanks for her nickname. It's sweet!
     
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