Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #2 *P. Hernandez guilty*

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  1. RoseTree

    RoseTree Active Member

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    I do think that that police have the right suspect. He did not seek police out, but relatives tipped police from a confession back in the 80's. When approached, he did confess.

    I hope that this isn't an enormous waste of time for everyone. I hope that somehow they can collaborate the evidence.
     


  2. impatientredhead

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    I agree with each and everyone of your points individually. It is the total picture of ALL of those things not happening/not being seen/and/or/reported over the span of thirty years that sets my hinky meter that something doesn't fit here to me. Time will tell, hopefully....
     
  3. RoseTree

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    If I try to place my four year old at his height in a first grade classroom, he would be a dwarf. I think that his height was underestimated. Not that it matters :)
     
  4. Zoe Zo

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    I agree, I just wish he would give something that only his family and the police would know - something to make us all sure. I want to believe he did it but I need something to show me he did do it.
     
  6. Mystic

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    snipped

    thanks, great background information that I had no idea about
    I never realized that it was 2 separate or more investigations going on; I can see how Ramos appeared to be the focus though.

    there has been many wb members with links and information about that time and the area. The video of Etan's mother from that time period broke my heart. If PH did do it, I hope they can find something that can at least relieve the not knowing.
     
  7. RoseTree

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    Not to beat a dead horse, but this is what the growth percentile calculator that I use for my job says about Etan's height and weight at 6 years and 8 months (and I know it doesn't matter, it' just confirms that his size would not have been typical)

    At 6 years and 8 months:

    your child is 50 pounds, and that is
    at the 54th percentile for weight.

    your child is 40 inches, and that is
    at less than the 3rd percentile for height.

    http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/usef...cent=0&submitButtonName=Calculate+Percentiles
     
  8. Mystic

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    snipped, just wanted to mention, think post 589 in this thread has a link with a video (i'm sure its the one bodhi posted?) that mentioned 2 people that saw Etan walking down the street that day (hope i've heard that correctly)

    also that PH has 2 children from his 1st wife, a son & daughter but they are estranged from their father

    I also want more information, seems nowadays everyone is being diagnosed as bipolar or borderline bipolar among other things. But from some of those links his family seem to thing he got progressively worse over time. That could very well be from having killed a child?? I find it interesting that the sister was the one that reported it all those years ago. Seems some of his family in fact think he did it. The thing is you can't always believe every reporters articles.. so hopeful they reflecting what the family is really saying.
     
  9. Zoe Zo

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    Thank you, I did seem to have missed that post and didn't know Etan was seen or PH had more children.

    I do agree it does seem more these days to have been doagnosed with bipolar or other things.

    It could very well be, killing Etan could make him worst over the years, if he really did do it. Just wish we had real answer
     
  10. sherlockh

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    This somewhat worries me although I understand people like to see physical evidence. However, I have not seen any indications that PH has an obsession for the Etan Patz case like John Mark Karr had with JonBenet. Also I don't see any history of confessing to crimes he did not commit. In fact, PH only confessed a few times to one murder where he strangled a child. He has now admitted the child was Etan Patz.

    I am not surprised he has mental problems, because you must be sick in the head in the first place to kill a little boy. I am afraid he will be released because people won't believe him or that after 30 years there is no physical evidence. Is it possible the killer of Etan will go free even when he confessed?
     
  11. Zoe Zo

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    I agree, it would be very sad if he did kill Etan and because of no real evidence he is set free. Maybe because of his mental illness he can't remember things as they happen back than which makes it hard for the police to say he really did this.
     
  12. Zoe Zo

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    Question - now that they have charged Hernandez and they are trying to build a case, is there a time limit the police have to build a case and move forward or release him?
     
  13. impatientredhead

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    Release before trial depends on whether the judge will allow him a bond. If not he sits until trial. If he is given bond but cannot post it he sits until trial.

    Now that they have charged him there is a charge against him the state does have a deadline to be ready for trial. Part of your right to a speedy trial. In most states, though I have not looked at NY specifically, that averages around 180 days.

    Of course we all know it usually takes years to go to trial but that is only if the defendant waives his right to a speedy trial thus giving the defense more time to prepare as well. If the defense thinks the case is shaky or was rushed to indictment they may demand a speedy trial and use the lack of evidence to their benefit.

    Assuming he doesn't say he is guilty.

    If he sticks with not guilty which I don't understand if he has been trying to confess for so long and feels so guilty, but if he fights it and goes to trial I assume they will say he is diminished and should have had an attorney before the confession was taken.
     
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    I think the not guilty plea was entered for him by his lawyer while Pedro's being evaluated. IIRC
     
  15. necco

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    Could the height issue be as simple as 4'0" being mistranslated as 40"?

    4'0" would be 66th percentile for 6 years, 8 months.
     
  16. Zoe Zo

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    Thank you for helping me to understand what will happen :)
     
  17. osadelnorte

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    That's a really good guess, Necco!
     
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    Etan Patz’s parents show the strain as their son’s alleged killer meets with his lawyer
    Confessed kidnapper Pedro Hernandez is still on suicide watch at Bellevue Hospital

    The strain of being in the public eye again got to Etan Patz’s parents Monday as investigators struggled to corroborate the confession of the deranged man who says he killed their son three decades ago.

    “I wish this could end,” an exasperated Julie Patz said when she ran into reporters and photographers outside her SoHo building. “This is taking my freedom away. I just wish this could be over.”

    Asked upon her return whether she believes cops got the right guy, she replied: “No comment. It’s an ongoing investigation.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...alleged-killer-meets-lawyer-article-1.1086198
     
  19. officer'swife 2010

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    I'm kinda wondering if PH really did the crime too. Just seems odd to me that he confesses now since it was back in the news almost to the exact day it happened. If he is crazy maybe he was making it up. Def need some solid evidence.
     
  20. Zoe Zo

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    My heart breaks for her
     
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