NY NY - NY, Dyckman St, Hudson River, WhtFem 25-50, UP9180, torso in plastic bag, Apr'88
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ruled out: Rita Fioretti
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9180
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?319583-NY-Rita-H-Fioretti-35-Bronx-10-August-1986
Link to Isabel Rizzo's case mentioned up thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?33057-NY-Isabel-Lopez-Rizzo-1987
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9180
Rita was wife of NY cop who got fired after her disappearance in 1986. Quite sad and messed up case.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?319583-NY-Rita-H-Fioretti-35-Bronx-10-August-1986
Link to Isabel Rizzo's case mentioned up thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?33057-NY-Isabel-Lopez-Rizzo-1987
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Was Dianne Stahl ever found? I can't seem to find much info on her, but this article is quite interesting, especially since Rita Fioretti was misidentified as being this UID:
Why do I get a Strangers on a Train feeling here?
I wonder if LE ever considered Dianne being Hudson River Jane Doe when Rita was discovered misidentified as this UID and since they had a suspicion the two cases were connected through their respective police officer husbands, and if she was ruled out, pre-NamUs (but never entered into the database).
There's also a possibility that Dianne's husband, Mark, made use of his shady connections to get rid of her:
This article is from May, 1992:
"Ex-New York police officer charged with murder of wife
FRIDAY, MAY 1, 1992
Mark P. Stahl Sr., 42, is charged in the 1985 death of his wife, Dianne, who was reported missing after a domestic dispute, police said. Her body hasn't been found, but investigators believe it was dumped in the Toms River in New Jersey. "We've known where he is for the past seven years," said Michael Mohel, an investigator with the Ocean County, N.J., prosecutor's office. Mohel would not discuss what Woman missing for seven years
(..)
A former New York City police officer suspected of killing his wife seven years ago was arrested on a murder charge Thursday as he left a local pharmacy, police ed in a 1987 article. On Thursday morning, Mohel and Port St. Lucie Detective Rick Wilson followed Stahl from his house at 814 Cavern Ave. to Floresta Centre, a small shopping center on Floresta Drive. He was arrested without incident when he walked out of a drugstore around 11:20 a.m., police said. Stahl, charged with first-degree murder, is being held without bail in breakthrough allowed prosecutors to get a warrant for Stahl's arrest.
Dianne Stahl, 30, was reported missing in June 1985 after she supposedly left her Toms River, N.J., house after arguing with husband, Mohel said. Mark Stahl retired from the New York City Police Department in 1984 after questions arose about his associations with reputed organized crime figures in the 106th Precinct in Queens, The New York Times report the St. Lucie County Corrections Center pending extradition to New Jersey. Neighbors contacted Thursday said they don't know Stahl and could provide no information on how long he had lived in their neighborhood. Police could not say how long he had lived in Port St. Lucie nor whether he is employed. The front door of Stahl's house was open, and people who rang the doorbell were met by a large German shepherd."
An Article from April 1994 (the text is slightly butchered, though) mentions that Dianne was shot in the head and in the chest, but was Hudson River Jane Doe in such a state that the chest wound would be registered at the coroner? Could it be a possibility that it was overlooked?
"Asbury Park Press Friday, April 1, 1994
Fine appealed, even though the plea arrangement included an agreement that Stahl would not appeal. Boswell said the fine is separate from the agreement, since Stahl was never advised he would have to pay it. Both Citta and Mercun, the assistant prosecutor, said if Stahl sought relief from an appellate court, they believed the plea bargain arrangement would be invalidated. In 22 years as a public defender, Boswell said he has never represented an indigent client who was ordered to pay such a fine. "This is not a form of restitution because no restitution can be made," he said. Boswell called the murder a "tragedy," one that most likely began The remainder of the pension covers home insurance and other incidentals, Boswell said. The home is not in Stahl's name although he has an arrangement to inherit it after his aunt dies. But Citta's $25,000 fine will make it difficult to continue mortgage payments. Citta wants Stahl to begin paying $400 a month beginning May 1. Citta said it was "particularly repulsive" that Stahl was attempting to "shelter" his pension money in a real estate investment "that he intends to enjoy when he is finished with state's prison." "... Mr. Stahl should not enjoy a windfall of $800 a month over the next five years," Citta said. That aspect of the sentence may be From page Al years after receiving credit for 700 days already served, the judge said. .While classified as indigent to qualify for a public defender, Stahl receives the pension for life. That pension is reduced to $800 a month after deduction of a $200-a-month penalty because Stahl was found to have committed official misconduct while a police officer. Stahl uses $600 a month to pay the mortgage on the house he owns in Port St. Lucie, Fla., which is occupied by his aunt. mother, Loretta Costa, he had seen his father wrap his mother's bloody body in a blanket, the grandmother told authorities. . Stahl was arrested April 30, 1992,' after a former girlfriend in Florida told authorities he beat her and threatened to kill her as he told her what he'd-53 done to his wife. Stahl was living irt 'q Florida at the time of his arrest. In November, authorities took Stahl to an undisclosed section of Bricks Township to search for Mrs. Stahl's w body, but Stahl became confused and.-o was unable to find where he disposed of it, sources have said. h ? The prosecutor's office has been re: searching old maps of the area dating, back to 1985 to try to learn how much the landscape has been changed by dc-S velopment, another source has said.; n The physical search has been disconti-1 1 nued, the source said. ' ; The elder Stahl has been described by authorities as having been an infor- 'A mant for the Gambino organized crime' family while he was a New York City police officer. An associate of the. Gambino crime family, Salvatore v Reale, has told investigators that Stahl' ) regularly provided information to the'1' 1 mob about police activities. s -. He was forced to resign from thel New York City Police Department in 'k May 1984 after he was brought up on departmental charges stemming from' his close relationship to Reale, authori-' ties said at the tim85e. ( . Stahl also will have to pay $30 to , y the Violent Crimes Compensation, Board. , . . when Stahl was 13 and began to drink. Stahl was drunk when he and his wife argued and Stahl's "ready access" to a handgun precipitated the murder, Boswell said. The body of Dianne Stahl, 30, has never been recovered. "I'm very, very sorry that this happened," Stahl, garbed in prison blue, said yesterday in barely audible tones. "I know I ruined a lot of lives. I didn't mean to do it. If I could take that day back, I would do it." Dianne Stahl's mother, Loretta Costa of Astoria, Queens, wrote to Citta to ask the judge to properly punish Stahl. In a March 14 letter made public in court yesterday, Costa said the family suffers daily because of the murder. "We are a close family but we all know that no one can ever take Dianne's place and her devotion to her children," she wrote. "Throughout their lives, the children will live with the silent rage of knowing their father murdered their mother. He has robbed them of their carefree childhood and of her companionship and unconditional love." Had Stahl gone to trial and been convicted of murder, he would have faced between 30 years and life in prison. Instead, Stahl, 45, pleaded guilty to aggravated manslaughter in February, just days before the scheduled start of his trial. The plea agreement eliminated the chance that Stahl could walk out of jail a free man if a jury were to return a verdict of anything less than murder. A five-year statute of limitation on aggravated manslaughter or manslaughter convictions was in effect when his wife was slain, authorities said. Dianne Stahl disappeared from the couple's former home on Lamplighter Drive in the early morning hours of June 29, 1985, after the couple returned home late from dinner at a Seaside Park restaurant. Dover Township police were called later that day by a neighbor who reported finding a bullet hole in his bathroom. When Patrolman David Meyer went to the Stahl home, he discovered two recently patched holes in the bathroom and a hallway. Stahl told Meyer that he'd had an argument with his wife in which she fired a gun at him. Stahl said she walked out with the gun and some jewelry, flagged down a passing car and left. Stahl reported his wife missing three days later, on July 2, 1985. But years later, Mark P. Stahl Jr. told county investigators he saw his father dispose of his stepmother's bloody body in June 1985, Mercun said during a hearing in June 1992. The younger Stahl said he saw Dianne Stahl lying on the floor in the family's home, bleeding from a bullet wound above her eye and a second gunshot wound in her chest, the prosecutor said at that hearing. That statement is consistent with recollections by a stepbrother, Michael, who was 3 when his mother disappeared."
Why do I get a Strangers on a Train feeling here?
I wonder if LE ever considered Dianne being Hudson River Jane Doe when Rita was discovered misidentified as this UID and since they had a suspicion the two cases were connected through their respective police officer husbands, and if she was ruled out, pre-NamUs (but never entered into the database).
There's also a possibility that Dianne's husband, Mark, made use of his shady connections to get rid of her:
OFFICER WITH MISSING WIFE SUSPENDED AFTER THEFT ARREST
This article is from May, 1992:
"Ex-New York police officer charged with murder of wife
FRIDAY, MAY 1, 1992
Mark P. Stahl Sr., 42, is charged in the 1985 death of his wife, Dianne, who was reported missing after a domestic dispute, police said. Her body hasn't been found, but investigators believe it was dumped in the Toms River in New Jersey. "We've known where he is for the past seven years," said Michael Mohel, an investigator with the Ocean County, N.J., prosecutor's office. Mohel would not discuss what Woman missing for seven years
(..)
A former New York City police officer suspected of killing his wife seven years ago was arrested on a murder charge Thursday as he left a local pharmacy, police ed in a 1987 article. On Thursday morning, Mohel and Port St. Lucie Detective Rick Wilson followed Stahl from his house at 814 Cavern Ave. to Floresta Centre, a small shopping center on Floresta Drive. He was arrested without incident when he walked out of a drugstore around 11:20 a.m., police said. Stahl, charged with first-degree murder, is being held without bail in breakthrough allowed prosecutors to get a warrant for Stahl's arrest.
Dianne Stahl, 30, was reported missing in June 1985 after she supposedly left her Toms River, N.J., house after arguing with husband, Mohel said. Mark Stahl retired from the New York City Police Department in 1984 after questions arose about his associations with reputed organized crime figures in the 106th Precinct in Queens, The New York Times report the St. Lucie County Corrections Center pending extradition to New Jersey. Neighbors contacted Thursday said they don't know Stahl and could provide no information on how long he had lived in their neighborhood. Police could not say how long he had lived in Port St. Lucie nor whether he is employed. The front door of Stahl's house was open, and people who rang the doorbell were met by a large German shepherd."
An Article from April 1994 (the text is slightly butchered, though) mentions that Dianne was shot in the head and in the chest, but was Hudson River Jane Doe in such a state that the chest wound would be registered at the coroner? Could it be a possibility that it was overlooked?
"Asbury Park Press Friday, April 1, 1994
Fine appealed, even though the plea arrangement included an agreement that Stahl would not appeal. Boswell said the fine is separate from the agreement, since Stahl was never advised he would have to pay it. Both Citta and Mercun, the assistant prosecutor, said if Stahl sought relief from an appellate court, they believed the plea bargain arrangement would be invalidated. In 22 years as a public defender, Boswell said he has never represented an indigent client who was ordered to pay such a fine. "This is not a form of restitution because no restitution can be made," he said. Boswell called the murder a "tragedy," one that most likely began The remainder of the pension covers home insurance and other incidentals, Boswell said. The home is not in Stahl's name although he has an arrangement to inherit it after his aunt dies. But Citta's $25,000 fine will make it difficult to continue mortgage payments. Citta wants Stahl to begin paying $400 a month beginning May 1. Citta said it was "particularly repulsive" that Stahl was attempting to "shelter" his pension money in a real estate investment "that he intends to enjoy when he is finished with state's prison." "... Mr. Stahl should not enjoy a windfall of $800 a month over the next five years," Citta said. That aspect of the sentence may be From page Al years after receiving credit for 700 days already served, the judge said. .While classified as indigent to qualify for a public defender, Stahl receives the pension for life. That pension is reduced to $800 a month after deduction of a $200-a-month penalty because Stahl was found to have committed official misconduct while a police officer. Stahl uses $600 a month to pay the mortgage on the house he owns in Port St. Lucie, Fla., which is occupied by his aunt. mother, Loretta Costa, he had seen his father wrap his mother's bloody body in a blanket, the grandmother told authorities. . Stahl was arrested April 30, 1992,' after a former girlfriend in Florida told authorities he beat her and threatened to kill her as he told her what he'd-53 done to his wife. Stahl was living irt 'q Florida at the time of his arrest. In November, authorities took Stahl to an undisclosed section of Bricks Township to search for Mrs. Stahl's w body, but Stahl became confused and.-o was unable to find where he disposed of it, sources have said. h ? The prosecutor's office has been re: searching old maps of the area dating, back to 1985 to try to learn how much the landscape has been changed by dc-S velopment, another source has said.; n The physical search has been disconti-1 1 nued, the source said. ' ; The elder Stahl has been described by authorities as having been an infor- 'A mant for the Gambino organized crime' family while he was a New York City police officer. An associate of the. Gambino crime family, Salvatore v Reale, has told investigators that Stahl' ) regularly provided information to the'1' 1 mob about police activities. s -. He was forced to resign from thel New York City Police Department in 'k May 1984 after he was brought up on departmental charges stemming from' his close relationship to Reale, authori-' ties said at the tim85e. ( . Stahl also will have to pay $30 to , y the Violent Crimes Compensation, Board. , . . when Stahl was 13 and began to drink. Stahl was drunk when he and his wife argued and Stahl's "ready access" to a handgun precipitated the murder, Boswell said. The body of Dianne Stahl, 30, has never been recovered. "I'm very, very sorry that this happened," Stahl, garbed in prison blue, said yesterday in barely audible tones. "I know I ruined a lot of lives. I didn't mean to do it. If I could take that day back, I would do it." Dianne Stahl's mother, Loretta Costa of Astoria, Queens, wrote to Citta to ask the judge to properly punish Stahl. In a March 14 letter made public in court yesterday, Costa said the family suffers daily because of the murder. "We are a close family but we all know that no one can ever take Dianne's place and her devotion to her children," she wrote. "Throughout their lives, the children will live with the silent rage of knowing their father murdered their mother. He has robbed them of their carefree childhood and of her companionship and unconditional love." Had Stahl gone to trial and been convicted of murder, he would have faced between 30 years and life in prison. Instead, Stahl, 45, pleaded guilty to aggravated manslaughter in February, just days before the scheduled start of his trial. The plea agreement eliminated the chance that Stahl could walk out of jail a free man if a jury were to return a verdict of anything less than murder. A five-year statute of limitation on aggravated manslaughter or manslaughter convictions was in effect when his wife was slain, authorities said. Dianne Stahl disappeared from the couple's former home on Lamplighter Drive in the early morning hours of June 29, 1985, after the couple returned home late from dinner at a Seaside Park restaurant. Dover Township police were called later that day by a neighbor who reported finding a bullet hole in his bathroom. When Patrolman David Meyer went to the Stahl home, he discovered two recently patched holes in the bathroom and a hallway. Stahl told Meyer that he'd had an argument with his wife in which she fired a gun at him. Stahl said she walked out with the gun and some jewelry, flagged down a passing car and left. Stahl reported his wife missing three days later, on July 2, 1985. But years later, Mark P. Stahl Jr. told county investigators he saw his father dispose of his stepmother's bloody body in June 1985, Mercun said during a hearing in June 1992. The younger Stahl said he saw Dianne Stahl lying on the floor in the family's home, bleeding from a bullet wound above her eye and a second gunshot wound in her chest, the prosecutor said at that hearing. That statement is consistent with recollections by a stepbrother, Michael, who was 3 when his mother disappeared."
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Rita Fioretti is still the only ruleout.
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She is now listed twice on the rule out list
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Yeah, I generally remove duplicates when I post exclusions.
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Rita Fioretti is still the only exclusion.
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