OH OH - Dobbstown, 'Belle in the Well' WhtFem UP6259, 30-60, in cistern, Apr'81

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  1. Kat

    Kat Kind words do not cost much

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    http://dailyindependent.com/local/x947029600/Body-exhumed-in-Ohio-cold-case

    Body exhumed in Ohio cold case

    June 16, 2011
    Kenneth Hart The Independent


    and:

    NamUs profile:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/6259

    Ruleouts listed on page:

    This UID female's body was discovered in a cistern/well. She was too badly decomposed for her identity to be determined by the methods used at that time.

    I did not look for any UID pages on other sites.
     
  2. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't see her listed in DoeNet.

    This body was found two days before Buckskin Girl (also in Ohio), though she was obviously killed much earlier.
     
  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    :doh: I mistook the distance. I mistakenly plotted Russell KY, not Russell Springs. Russell Springs KY is 200 miles from Chesapeake OH.

    BTW, Dobbstown is just up the road from Scottstown, in the vicinity of OH-State Rte. 217 E and Greasy Ridge Road.
     
  5. Barkley

    Barkley New Member

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    Regarding the Fischer girl from Kentucky, her Charley project page mentions she had ran away with the carnival twice before. She was at a fair when she disappeared. I wonder if there is anyway to find out if there was a fair in Ohio after she disappeared?
     
  6. nerosleuth

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    NEW INFO: Examination Completed on Murder Victim From 30 Years Ago

    UPDATE 6/22/11 @ 10:30 a.m.

    WSAZ-TV from Huntington, West Virginia is reporting that the Lawrence County, Ohio Sheriff's Office recently reopened a 1981 cold case.

    The body was recently exhumed and sent to the Boyd County, Kentucky Coroner's Office. The coroner took DNA samples from the body and also took a full body x-ray.

    The Boyd County Coroner's Office concurred with the original autopsy that the unid victim was between 30 to 60 years old.

    The coroner also found that the victim had a very pronounced overbite, a condition commonly known as "buck teeth".

    UPDATE 6/15/11 @ 6 p.m.

    In April 1981, two girls playing near their home on Wright Ridge found a woman's body placed down a cistern. The cause of death at the time -- strangulation.

    Investigators say the victim was tied around the neck and weighted down to keep her down the well.

    The coroner’s report from 1981 says the strangled body was in that well for six months to a year.

    The body was so badly decomposed that there were no fingerprints, no identifying features at all.

    The sheriff believes the murder victim, found with rubber bands on her wrists and weighing about 140 pounds, was likely not from the area.

    ORIGINAL STORY 6/15/11 @ 11 a.m.

    LAWRENCE COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) -- The investigation into the identity of a woman who was murdered 30 yeas ago has been reopened.

    In April 1981, the unknown woman’s body was found in a cistern in the Dobbstown area of the county. Investigators at the time ruled the death a homicide.

    The woman was wearing a red sweater and blue jeans with her hands covered by a pair of socks.

    Source:

    http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Invesigation_into_Womans_Death_Reopened_123919809.html
     
  7. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    odd they could not discern a hair color. I understand that per the Namus profile there was no head hair but they said there was pubic hair. that should have indicated her likely hair color.
     
  8. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    here is an interesting possibility although the weight is off.

    Jeanne Marie Scrima was last seen near Erie, PA in March 1980, was 5'3" and weighed 118 lbs. this interesting narrative is found in the DN profile:

    Scrima's light blue 1977 Lincoln Continental was discovered abandoned several weeks after she was reported missing. It was seen in Ohio, and it passed through several hands in Ohio and ended up abandoned in Michigan on October 5, 1980.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/947dfpa.html

    here is her namus page:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5498/0/

    no reference to her having an overbite or buck teeth, although her front top teeth are visible in the DN page.
     
  9. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Julia Helen Klachan
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2508dfbc.html
    [​IMG]

    * between 30 to 60 years old. - Check. (Age 31)
    * buck teeth - Check.
    * about 5 feet, 4 inches - Check (5'4").
    * About 140 lbs. - Check (140 lbs).
    * In the well six months to a year - Julia went missing a little over 2 years prior.

    The circumstances and geography are pretty far off though - The circumstances hint at domestic violence, though that's not necessarily the case. However, if that was the case, I'm not sure how she would get from BC Canada to the backwoods of southern Ohio.
     
  10. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    The ruleouts list has changed from Kat's post. Paulette Jaster has been removed and Ellen Akers added.
     
  11. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    I wonder if she is Linda Hamilton, missing from Mahoning County, OH on September 19, 1977.

    Linda was 28 y.o., had buck teeth, eyeglasses, was about 5'6", 135 lbs.

    Linda was just added to Namus last month.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/12363/3/
     
  12. tatertot

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    I think it's worth an inquiry, webrocket! Per NamUs, DNA on Linda is submitted but tests aren't complete. Linda disappeared and her husband was killed during Edward Surratt's '77-78 spree and he confessed to their murders in 2007. He said the bodies of the only two victims who haven't been found were "unrecoverable by anybody's standards." Just my two cents but from his interviews he came across as very blunt and it seems as though if they were truly unrecoverable he'd say where they were and why they can't be found. I think his reluctance to reveal their whereabouts suggests that he knows there is some chance of recovery.

    Per Charley Project, Linda's car was found near her workplace with bare female footprints and a man's bootprints leading from it, in some places appearing as though the woman had been dragged. This doesn't match with the socks found on the UID, but according to NamUs the socks were on her feet (two pairs, perhaps with the other layered clothing she was trying to be thrifty by turning down the thermostat at night) and according to the WSAZ article she had socks over her hands.

    This is four hours from the scene of most of Surratt's murders, but he was a long-distance trucker and that might account for the distance. He killed his victims in various ways, which could account for the strangulation of the UID.
     
  13. webrocket

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  14. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Something i noticed from the NamUs page. The victim was missing the five rear-most teeth from her lower right side and all three molars from her lower left side. The notation says that they were lost antemortem, or prior to her death.

    There was also excessive wear on her lower front teeth (probably from overuse to compensate for the missing rear molars).

    And her upper front teeth were apparently knocked out at the time of her death.

    In layman's terms, there was a trauma to the area of the face between the teeth and nose which occurred at the time of death, and which crushed her two front teeth (i presume at the roots).
     
  15. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Maybe I'm just imagining things, but looking at Julia's smile, it appears that her lower lip sort of collapses inward near the corners of her mouth.

    But I still can't get past the difficulty explaining why she would end up in Southern Ohio, having gone missing from British Columbia, Canada.
     
  16. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    I'd submit Linda's name but it won't do any good. looking at details, her dental records are not available and DNA is pending.

    as for the UID, they have dentals and DNA is pending.

    in sum, there is nothing to compare yet.
     
  17. Ambercat

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    Donella Jean Coultas who went missing on December 18, 1979 got my attention because her Doe Network page says that she has "Buck teeth." http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/961dfca.html

    I think there is a lot which is consistent between Ms. Coultas and the unidentified woman, yet Ms. Coultas went missing in South Pasadena, CA and that is quite a distance from Ohio.
     
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    Hi Webrocket! I found her while searching and thought she was a good possibility too. I'm just curious, Is she ruled out?
     
  20. ctaylor

    ctaylor Active Member

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    A recent update...

    http://www.irontontribune.com/2012/04/25/reconstruction-of-%E2%80%98belle-in-well%E2%80%99-face-to-be-unveiled/

     

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