OH - Ohio State University Rampage, 28 November 2016

Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by Joe Friday, Nov 28, 2016.

  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    40,087
    Likes Received:
    87,177
    Trophy Points:
    113
    CARIIS might have been correct about the school grades..
    That is a lot of kids for a single mother.
    imo.
    rbbm
    [video=cnn;us/2016/11/28/ohio-state-attacker-interviewed-by-school-paper-sot-tsr.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-attacker-abdul-razak-ali-artan/index.html[/video]

    By Darran Simon, CNN
     


  2. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

    Messages:
    6,657
    Likes Received:
    2,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...ims-responsibility-for-ohio-state-attack.html
     
  3. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

    Messages:
    6,657
    Likes Received:
    2,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Full text of the post on Abdul Artan's FB page.

    [video=twitter;803453892688101376]https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/803453892688101376[/video]

    Very interesting how this post on Artan's FB page (3 min before the attack, no less) has been so carefully cherry picked by so many news organizations in their censored reporting. The entire post is so much more illuminating as to his radicalized state of mind, IMO.
     
  4. HMSHood

    HMSHood Admiral-Class Battlecruiser

    Messages:
    4,068
    Likes Received:
    1,322
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The bigger question is why some injustice collectors turn really violent. That includes ones with mental illness.

    There are many people who are injustice collectors out there who do not lash out violently.
     
  5. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

    Messages:
    6,657
    Likes Received:
    2,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ok. So this is very interesting. Stick with me on the explanation.

    Emphasized in Artan's FB post (but cut out of pretty much every media article that quoted bits of the FB post):

    Yasir Qadhi
    Omar Sulieman
    Nouman Mufti

    And the Al Maghrib institute

    Who are these men? Artan seems to feel they are celebrity imams who sold out their religion ("deen"), and urges fellow radicals to follow Al-Awlaki instead

    http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/14586811.The_rise_and_rise_of_the__social_media_imams_/

    http://www.shaykhpedia.com/view/omar-suleiman.html

    Now that is VERY interesting-- Added note-- there appear to be many mosques with the name Masjid Abu Bakr As-Siddiq. Artan appears to be rejecting all of the "reasonable" voices within Islam in America-- evidence of his embracing radicalization.

    Horsed Noah (imam of the columbus mosque) promotes non-radicalization of young men, and in integral with the group My Project USA, devoted to non-radicalization. (Leader is Zerqa Abid.)

    http://masjidabubakar.org/

    So, maybe Artan was influenced by his own mosque leaders NOT to become radicalized, but rejected all that to follow Al-Awlaki. That's a smoking gun if ever there was one, IMO. Maybe that's why the media has been cherry picking that statement out of reporting on the facebook post for precisely this reason. IMO.
     
  6. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

    Messages:
    25,472
    Likes Received:
    10,663
    Trophy Points:
    113

    It did it for me! None of my theory was close!!!

    Which now takes me to this seems impulsive. Were there other posts on his social media that had similar notions?

    Frankly, the notion about a kitchen knife seems pretty unprepared - oh I will bring this with me -for what?

    It would be interesting to know if he was nearby when the chemical leak started.

    Was it this sudden thing oh there are a bunch of targets in one place - might as well.

    Anyone know the "tone" of his FB prior to this post?

    Relationship issues, grades, fight with family etc etc.

    Keys of a small car and a butcher knife??
     
  7. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

    Messages:
    6,657
    Likes Received:
    2,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How much you want to bet that in a few weeks or months, the FBI will release evidence that Artan posted this to FB from his smartphone, as he sat in the car and prepared to carry out his attack?

    Cariis-- articles state that authorities have security camera video that shows Artan alone in his car driving on campus to the site of the attack. I also read that he may have purchased the large knife the morning of the attack. And he drove his siblings to school in that car, which is registered to his "older brother" Muhammad, who neighbors state visits the apartment about twice a month.

    If older brother Muhammad only visits twice a month (from where?), why did Artan have his car Monday morning? Wonder what the excuse was for borrowing the car? Was the "older brother" involved at all? I'm sure the FBI and DHS are all over that. The whole family was immediately brought in for questioning, according to media.

    It will be interesting to find out if the chem lab "gas" leak and fire alarm pull was part of the terror plan to produce a vulnerable and unsuspecting crowd on the sidewalk for Artan to attack. Or if the fire alarm pull and gas leak was just a coincidence. Did Artan have another location in mind to attack?
     
  8. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

    Messages:
    6,657
    Likes Received:
    2,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think the thing that is so worrisome, and so illuminating, in Artan's facebook post, is his emphasis on his knowledge and rejection of the so-called "moderate" leaders within islam.

    It's not just that Artan watched some online isis propaganda, and became radicalized. He was purposefully educated in NON-RADICALIZATION thinking and methods-- and yet, became radicalized anyway. Same as several other terrorist situations where there has been serious efforts to mentor young muslim men in the U.S. to persuade them away from radicalization lures and temptations, and then they turn to the dark side of islam anyway.

    Basically, none of it works. That's the elephant in the room. That's the take home message from every one of these "Sudden Jihadi Syndrome" attacks. The harder we try to prevent radicalization of young muslim men, and focus on islam as a "religion of peace", the more some of them will seek out radical teachings in rebellion. Whether they were born here, or somewhere else. They don't see westernized "peaceful" islam as "true" islam-- they see westernized islam as apostasy. A fundamentalist conundrum.
     
  9. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

    Messages:
    6,657
    Likes Received:
    2,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Think long and hard about this:

    Abdul Razak Ali Artan was a welcomed guest in the United States from June 5, 2014, until he carried out his terrorist attack and was killed November 28, 2016.

    That is a grand total of 907 days.

    907 days.

    During those 907 days, he was given transportation, permanent residency status, fed, clothed, housed, and educated in 2 different institutions of higher learning, given civil rights, including freedom of religion-- all on U.S. taxpayer dollars. And after 906 days, he decided he had simply had "enough", and carried out a terrorist attack in the name of islam-- his words, not mine.

    907 days of incredible opportunity, freedom, compassion, and generosity. Think long and hard about that.

    And then think some more about what he did, and why he did it. Not why "we" think he did it, but why HE says he did it.

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result each time. Also known as magical thinking.
     
  10. rob

    rob Active Member

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    38
  11. Tawny

    Tawny Bye

    Messages:
    5,576
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I disagree 100%. Their reasons are all the same: To cause fear and harm. Their alleged motives are what differ. Their excuses. Violent people who happen to be "Muslim" will blame Islam. Violent people who happen to be "Christian" will blame abortion when shooting up a planned parenthood.

    The bottom line is, there are violent people in every walk of life and if we give them a scapegoat for their motives (believing all of Islam is violent for example), those VERY FEW who would cause mass harm will grab onto that thing and use it as their excuse for violent acts.

    JMO :)
     
  12. rob

    rob Active Member

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    38
    I think unless you are highly specialized or educated when you go there, you get a menial job as some type of laborer that the citizens there don't want to do.
     
  13. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

    Messages:
    19,147
    Likes Received:
    9,335
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If that's true perhaps his plan was to get an education and then follow his father. And then for whatever reason he was unable to follow through.
     
  14. rob

    rob Active Member

    Messages:
    1,185
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    38
    I think the reason is he tried to kill a lot of people and got killed in the pursuit.:)
     
  15. LietKynes

    LietKynes "Law is the ultimate science."- Liet Kynes

    Messages:
    10,710
    Likes Received:
    91,430
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If someone offers you a bushel of apples and says these are all good -- except there's one that may be poisoned... would you still accept it ?
    Or refuse it until you located the tainted one ?
    Or refuse the entire bushel and instead pick your own fruit ?

    We are allowing people in who dislike out country and culture from their youth ; and somehow think they'll just assimilate.
    But for those who don't assimilate (or only pretend to do so), citizens in the U.S. and people in other countries are at risk.
    :moo:
     
  16. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

    Messages:
    19,147
    Likes Received:
    9,335
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How badly do the apples need my help? My answer would depend on that. JMO
     
  17. Tawny

    Tawny Bye

    Messages:
    5,576
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Are the apples human lives who need rescue from tyranny and violence? If so, then yes. I would take the whole bushel and eat every last apple. My life is no more important that those hundreds/thousands of other lives, and I'll risk my one life to save all of those.

    I hope that clears up my stance on it :p :moo:
     
  18. human

    human Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    23,614
    Likes Received:
    27,964
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly. There are people for whatever reason that are more deeply affected by abuse, abandonment, that end up raging. It builds up and they act out. What it is that makes them not be able to go past the hurt is something that should be studied rather than saying they are radicalized. The info on this Ohio one is not out there yet. Hopefully info will come out like with the severely mentally ill guy in Washington.
     
  19. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    19,334
    Likes Received:
    21,739
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FBI, attacker believed inspired by isis, al qaeda. Knife was purchased that morning but not sure if it is the same used in attack.
     
  20. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    19,334
    Likes Received:
    21,739
    Trophy Points:
    113
    His fb post speaks for itself. Radical islamic terrorist. Jmo
     

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice