OH - Ohio State University Rampage, 28 November 2016

Lets not forget who is responsible for slaughtering the homelands of these refugees. Since 2003 it is estimated we could have murdered up to 1 million Iraqis.
Think about that. Put yourself in their shoes. That means pretty much every Iraqi has lost a close family member due to a fraudulent war instigated by Bush and Blair and paid for, in full, with your tax dollars.
We in the west OWE these folks refugee status IMO. We just need to do a better job at weeding out the bad apples.

JMO
 
Ummmm.... this guy wasn't from Iraq. The Iraq war had nothing to do with this.

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Ummmm.... this guy wasn't from Iraq. The Iraq war had nothing to do with this.

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No, but our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan caused a surge in new radicals hellbent on wiping us out. The power vacuum left behind by capturing/killing the leadership there is what led to today's ISIS.
 
Across the Universe? A Comparative Analysis of Violent Behavior and Radicalization Across Three Offender Types with Implications for Criminal Justice Training and Education
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/249937.pdf

Some insight into these lone wolf terrorists. Many of them have trouble fitting in. They share many characteristics with spree killers.
 
Lets not forget who is responsible for slaughtering the homelands of these refugees. Since 2003 it is estimated we could have murdered up to 1 million Iraqis.
Think about that. Put yourself in their shoes. That means pretty much every Iraqi has lost a close family member due to a fraudulent war instigated by Bush and Blair and paid for, in full, with your tax dollars.
We in the west OWE these folks refugee status IMO. We just need to do a better job at weeding out the bad apples.

JMO

Yes. Without the violent Americans around, The Middle East is just a peaceful, lovely sea of kindness and love. Every one gets along great with no violence or in-fighting.
 
For Some Refugees, Safe Haven Now Depends on a DNA Test
OCTOBER 19, 2015

The inspiration for this requirement was born in East Africa, where more than 1 million Somalians have been displaced from their country by civil war and famine. In the mid-2000s, the U.S. was providing refuge to about 10,000 Somalians a year — many of whom went on to apply to the family reunification program to bring over relatives.

Immigration officials suspected that some were inventing “ghost children,” and filling out applications for children not related to them. There had even been some reports of brokers who sold the ghost children’s slots for profit, according to a U.S. Department of State official who spoke to FRONTLINE but asked not to be named.

So in early 2008, the State Department launched a pilot program to determine the extent of fraud by testing relationships using DNA.

In the initial pilot of 476 applicants in Nairobi, Kenya, only 16 percent were genetically related to every person they said was in their family. Another 39 percent tested false for at least one family member. In the remaining 45 percent of cases, applicants either refused to participate or didn’t show up for the test.

Officials interpreted these results as proof of widespread fraud. The P-3 program was suspended, and did not reopen for more than four years.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/for-some-refugees-safe-haven-now-depends-on-a-dna-test/

U.S. Department of State archived website:

Fraud in the Refugee Family Reunification (Priority Three) Program

Q: Which refugees are being tested? From which countries?

A: We initially tested a sample of some 500 refugees (primarily Somali and Ethiopian) in Nairobi, Kenya under consideration for U.S. resettlement through the P-3 program. After that sample suggested high rates of fraud, we expanded testing to Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana, Guinea, Gambia and Cote d’Ivoire. Most of the approximately 3,000 refugees tested are from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia, as these nationalities make up the vast majority of P-3 cases.

Q: What rate of fraud did you discover?

A: The rate of fraud varied among nationalities and from country to country, and is difficult to establish definitively as many individuals refused to agree to DNA testing.
We were, however, only able to confirm all claimed biological relationships in fewer than 20% of cases (family units). In the remaining cases, at least one negative result (fraudulent relationship) was identified, or the individuals refused to be tested.


https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/prm/refadm/rls/fs/2008/112760.htm
 
Seems like the community is aware of the problems the youth face and create, doing the best they can to keep them from joining gangs. A shame that Artan, a student fell through the cracks, maybe he was overlooked?
speculation.rbbm.
2011
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-06-Somali-gangs_N.htm
Minnesota is also the center of a federal investigation into the travels of roughly 20 young Somali men, believed to have returned to their homeland to join the terror group al-Shabab. There's no link between the terror investigation and the Somali gang activity, but members of the community say some of the same factors — including isolation, a need to belong to something, no father figure at home — can lead kids down the wrong path.

Mohamud, the imam at Islamic Da'wah Center, said giving kids a place to belong and something to do can keep them out of trouble. His mosque, which opened in 2007, focuses on young people with daily classes and programs like martial arts, youth forums, and soccer and basketball leagues.
"We thought if we focused on youth we'd be successful not only helping the Somali community, but the whole society — all Americans," Mohamud said.
 
Yes. Without the violent Americans around, The Middle East is just a peaceful, lovely sea of kindness and love. Every one gets along great with no violence or in-fighting.

It's not just the Americans. Most allied western nations play their role as well. But yes, it is about time we own up to it. We have been terrorizing them for decades.

Are you suggesting everyone in America gets along great with no violence or in-fighting? Like ever? In its history?

Of course it has, still does in lots of ways. Did a foreign nation invade and slaughter America during these times?

All I am suggesting is for folks to have a real good look at what has been happening in the ME and Northern Africa. Time to take some responsibility for where we allow our tax dollars to be spent. I am not ok with my tax dollars going towards funding wars and slaughter on mostly innocent people just like me.
 
Ummmm.... this guy wasn't from Iraq. The Iraq war had nothing to do with this.

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This thread has taken a turn more towards refugees than it has about this case in particular. I get that. I think it is an important discussion to have.

Also, are you suggesting The West hasn't done any damage to Somalia? Look into Mogadishu early 90's.
 
Attack at Ohio State Brings US Terror Plots, Attacks to 93 Since 9/11

While some of these details have yet to be officially confirmed, the evidence is clear enough to add this attack to the list of Islamist terror plots. This attack is the 93rd Islamist terrorist attack or plot against the U.S. homeland since 9/11 and the 12th plot or attack this year.

Including this attack, 14 successful Islamist terrorist attacks have occurred on U.S. soil since 9/11, five of which have been in 2016 alone. With Artan also appearing to have been radicalized here in the U.S., the total number of homegrown plots rises to 82 of the 93.

While the threat of complex, overseas-planned or supported terrorist attacks is still real (as evidenced by attacks in Paris and Brussels), the trend in the U.S. has been toward more basic and improvised attacks by homegrown lone wolves.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/30/a...ings-us-terror-plots-attacks-to-93-since-911/
 
IMO, it sounds like AA may not have ever wanted to come to America at all. Maybe his mother "forced" him to come with the rest of the family? AA said he was quite happy in Pakistan, so maybe AA harbored simmering resentment for being brought here against his will.

I think it's unlikely he was actually only 18 years old. I wish he had surrendered his permanent residency and gone back to Pakistan where he was happier.

Hopefully, Wilson-Fish will be quickly repealed and those programs eliminated in the next few months. It's profoundly inappropriate to put religious organizations in charge of federal programs where safety and security of American citizens is at stake. We have to stop putting the desires of incoming residents ahead of the needs of citizens, IMO. We can help refugees from dangerous places without bringing them here. That's what the religious organizations should be doing-- that's an appropriate role for them. Wilson Fish is a disastrous policy -- and AA is another example of that, IMO.

After 7 years in Pakistan, Artan and his family should not have been eligible at all for "resettlement" in the U.S. under refugee status, since they had already been resettled and processed under UNHCR in Pakistan for 7 years.

Refugee visa and asylum claims are deeply soaked in fraud -- as the very liberal New Yorker even concedes. It's a very illuminating article.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/08/01/the-asylum-seeker

AA seemingly fits the narrative of what can happen to children relocated to a foreign country during adolescence. In AA's experience he left Somalia for Pakistan ending in the US. He relocated twice to a foreign country! It is nothing like changing high schools. The relocation to just one country would be difficult, let alone two with completely different ideologies. Imo, grueling. We've also learned he was separated from his father. I agree, AA likely harbored some resentment. His mothers disbelief in his guilt suggests they were not close or at the minimum there was an enormous lack of communication within the family. Maybe this is the sense of isolation?

BBM-

This would fit with some of what we know about radicalization. Children relocated to a foreign country at a young age—sometimes dubbed the “1.5 Generation”—may not fully identify with either their parents’ country or their adopted country. This can lead to a sense of isolation and aimlessness, which is a risk factor for radicalization.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/02/o...on-somali-communitys-struggle-with-terrorism/

Minnesota is also the center of a federal investigation into the travels of roughly 20 young Somali men, believed to have returned to their homeland to join the terror group al-Shabab. There's no link between the terror investigation and the Somali gang activity, but members of the community say some of the same factors — including isolation, a need to belong to something, no father figure at home — can lead kids down the wrong path.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-06-Somali-gangs_N.htm




 
The purchase of the butcher knife happened HOURS before the attack.

OSU attack investigation looking at what Artan did Monday before attack


Police and federal agents updated the media on the investigation Wednesday. They said Artan was driving a car registered in his brother's name. Investigators said Artan stopped at a west side Walmart and bought a kitchen knife. Employees at the Georgesville Road store said Artan was in the store around 7 a.m. Monday. He ran the car over the curb in front of Watts Hall at 9:52 a.m. and then began stabbing people. Then he encountered OSU Police officer.

"We do know from witnesses that he did instruct him to drop the knife, more than once," said Richard Bash, a deputy chief with Columbus Police. Officer Alan Horjuko shot and killed Artan.

http://abc6onyourside.com/news/loca...ooking-at-what-artan-did-monday-before-attack
 
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- President-elect Donald Trump will travel to Columbus Thursday to privately meet with some victims of the Nov. 28 Ohio State stabbing, the Columbus Dispatch and the Associated Press reported Tuesday night.

Citing "a source with knowledge of the visit," the Dispatch said Trump’s meeting with the victims would be closed to the press and that it would be followed by another meeting with police officers and paramedics who were first on the scene of Ohio State student Abdul Razak Ali Artan’s car-and-knife attack on campus.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/report-trump-to-visit-ohio-state-stabbing-victims

On Thursday at the first stop of "USA Thank You Tour" in Cincinnati, Trump said "stupid politicians” and lax immigration policies underlay the attack at Ohio State.

“You have just experienced a violent atrocity at the great Ohio State University,” Trump said. The attack illustrates the security problems caused by an immigration system that fails to screen out dangerous, would-be terrorists, he said.

"We will do everything in our power to keep the scourge of terrorism out of our country. People are pouring in from regions of the Middle East. We have no idea who they are, where they are, what they’re thinking. And we’re going to stop that dead cold flat. You just take a good look at what just happened in your state,” Trump said.

The Republican president-to-be's transition team has not publicly announced the event, which is scheduled for 3 p.m. Thursday in meeting rooms at the Schottenstein Center, the source said. Trump apparently will talk to reporters after the meetings.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...o_State_attack_victimsx_first_responders.html
 
ISIS Tries Knife Attack Lesson Again – with Picture How-to – After No Ohio State Fatalities

After the Ohio State attack in which several staff and students were stabbed by a fellow student but no one suffered life-threatening wounds, the Islamic State has gone back to the drawing board in their instructions for lone jihadists on how to go on stabbing sprees -- with a picture tutorial this time.

The November issue moved on to a different type of lone attack tutorial -- or "just terror" attacks, as ISIS calls them -- encouraging that jihadists use a heavy vehicle such as a U-Haul to plow into a crowd.

After Artan's attack, though, ISIS apparently felt it needed to double back to the knife tutorial with simpler, illustrated instructions.

In a full-page graphic in the new Rumiyah issue, ISIS reminds lone jihadists to aim for the neck, chest or stomach and to pick a suitable blade. To illustrate which knives not to choose, ISIS shows a butcher block of kitchen knives and a switchblade. They show "the ideal knife" as having a fixed blade, hand guard, and strong handle, as well as being of "suitable length."

They also readdress the issue of choosing targets, in a strong suggestion that Artan chose unwisely for his skill level. Small groups, the infographic says, are good "for shocking terror (if one is capable)."

A lone victim -- showing a photo of a person walking along a street at night -- was the first suggested target, "for prolonged terror campaigns."

Large groups -- showing a crowded, busy city sidewalk -- are "not advised."

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...icture-how-to-after-no-ohio-state-fatalities/
 

Wondering if this company is doing a booming business, maybe it will become popular on this side of the pond now too?
[h=1]Parents are buying stab-proof vests to protect their children[/h]By JAMES SLACK
March 2007


Worried parents are buying their children body armour to protect them from knife attacks.A firm that supplies stab and bullet-proof vests to government agencies around the world said it had been flooded with orders following a series of brutal knife murders on Britain's streets.
VestGuard UK said it had received more than 100 calls from parents in London alone. It normally receives only one or two inquiries nationwide each year.

 
Donald Trump meets, praises Ohio State police officer who shot attacker

Earlier today, Trump concentrated on the victims and first responders, visiting them separately in Schottenstein Center meeting rooms about a mile from where an 18-year-old student drove a Honda Civic into a crowd, got out and began slashing people with a butcher knife.

After the half-hour session, Trump called those he met “really great people, amazing people. The police and first responders were incredible.”

Among those Trump talked with was OSU police officer Alan Horujko, who fatally shot Abdul Razak Ali Artan shortly after the Nov. 28 attack.

“I got to meet him, and he’s very brave,” Trump said.

No reporters or members of the public were permitted in the Trump meetings, which reportedly included Ohio State Police Chief Craig Stone, Franklin County Sheriff Zach Scott and officers from the Columbus and campus police departments.

Ohio State President Dr. Michael V. Drake had a brief private meeting with Trump, too.

Trump was accompanied to Columbus by Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, senior adviser Jason Miller and Michael Flynn, Trump's nominee for national security adviser.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/12/08/donald-trump-ohio-state-visit.html



Trump visits Ohio State victims, officer who killed attacker

COLUMBUS, Ohio — President-elect Donald Trump visited Ohio State University on Thursday afternoon to meet survivors of an attack that stunned the campus last month.

Trump spoke with victims in private and also met with the Ohio State police officer who killed the attacker, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, an Ohio State student who drove a Honda sedan through a crowd outside a school building before emerging from the vehicle and slashing at people with a butcher knife. Trump said the meeting was an “honor.” School officials said Trump also met privately with Ohio State President Michael Drake.

Ohio State spokesman Chris Davey said that Trump requested the meeting with victims of the attack and first responders who provided aid at the scene. He visited them at the Schottenstein Center, home to the Ohio State basketball team, across the Olentangy River from the campus’ academic core.

“Our nation’s leaders routinely make visits to Ohio State,” Davey said. “The university works to welcome these visits while minimizing disruption to the campus community.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ate-university-attack/?utm_term=.29247200fe75

More on President-Elect Trump's visit to OSU today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...meet-victims-OSU-attack-resume-road-show.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-meet-osu-attack-victims-responders/story?id=44058173

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/0...-ohio-state-attack-survivors-first-responders
 
http://thelantern.com/2016/12/abdul...ups-list-of-people-of-color-killed-by-police/
About 25 people gathered on the Oval in front of Thompson Library Wednesday afternoon to discuss last week’s attack on OSU’s campus and read the names of people of color who have been killed by police officers in the past two months. They added Abdul Razak Ali Artan, the third-year in logistics management whose attack on campus with a car and a knife resulted in his death and about a dozen people being sent to the hospital on Nov. 28.
The event began with the reading of a eulogy for all those who are on the list, a reading of the individuals’ names, ages and the location of their death, followed by a moment of silence.
“In some cases, the deceased may have committed acts of violence against others before they were killed. Perhaps they were domestic abusers, perhaps they threatened or killed others. This possibility is not something to shy away from. The protest against police brutality extends to the innocent and the guilty alike, because we know that no matter the crime, justice and due process don’t come from a cop’s bullet,” Abidi said while reading the eulogy.
Among the names on the list was Artan. Those in attendance said they did not condone his actions, but some said they have compassion for the attacker, who expressed feelings of anxiety related to how he was perceived as a Muslim.
“You can understand where an act of violence comes from without condoning that act of violence,” said Pranav Jani, an associate professor of English.
 
^^^^ Stockholm Syndrome. Perfect example. "Traumatic bonding".

Frightening. It's like a large swath of the public have lost the ability to make very simple and clear cut determinations about good and evil, right and wrong. Does not bode well for us as a society, IMO.

Criminals and terrorists are now the "victims", and the police are "abusers". You just can't make this stuff up. These people (the profoundly misguided ones advocating for criminals and terrorists as "victims") are very, very dangerous, IMO.
 

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