OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

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    PIKE COUNTY, Ohio —

    A town woke up one morning to the horror that eight people were brutally killed. The Rhoden family suffered an unthinkable loss eight times over on one late April night in 2016. And years would go by before an arrest was made, and the massacre of an entire family still haunts Pike County, Ohio to this day. The murders of the Rhoden family still haunt small Ohio community


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    Updated Timeline - Rhoden Family Murders - updating 2/5/2019

    November 2001

    George Wagner III indicted on 3 felony counts for receiving stolen property
    Pike County: Father accused in Rhoden massacre faced prior felonies

    2009
    George Wagner III and Angela Wagner charged with felony tampering with evidence. Charges dismissed by Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk, who doesn’t recall the reason why.
    Pike County: Father accused in Rhoden massacre faced prior felonies

    2012 - AG DeWine issued press release announcing LE had discovered “a major marijuana grow site”in Pike County with suspected ties to a Mexican drug cartel. During the discovery, 1200 plants were destroyed by investigators and two abandoned campsites were located, which they believe had belonged to Mexican nationals.

    From <Media & Timeline NO DISCUSSION - Pike Co, OH 8 Family Members Murdered>

    2013

    November 2013
    Birth of daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden. They lived together much of the time until 2015, at Hanna’s home or the Wagner’s
    Pike County investigation: 8 deaths and multiple arrests were tied to one key factor — child custody

    2014

    Jake Wagner began hacking, etc. victims’ phones, computers and social media accounts according to indictment
    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx

    2015

    March 2015

    Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden end their relationship
    Exhaustive investigation leads to break in Pike County murder case

    May 2015

    Frankie and Chris Rhoden, Jr get in a fight with another driver at a local demolition derby.
    Violent Rhoden Brothers Met a Violent End in Ohio Massacre

    August 2015
    Hanna Rhoden becomes pregnant with her second child, Kylie

    2016

    January 2016

    Wagner 4 begin plotting to murder the Rhoden family, per indictments
    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx

    February 2016
    Box of marijuana discovered at Piketon Post Office, investigation leads to discovery of "shatter" operation

    March 21, 2016
    Chris Rhoden, Sr. purchases property and home at 3122 Union Hill Rd. for his ex-wife Dana Rhoden, where she lived with their children Hanna Mae Rhoden and Christopher Rhoden, Jr.
    Properties released to family of Pike County victims

    Two to three weeks prior to murders: Leonard Manley claims Jake Wagner and his father tried to get Hanna M Rhoden to sign documents giving custody of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner.



    April 3, 2016

    Rita Newcomb forged custody documents related to Sophia, daughter of Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden
    Billy Wagner to answer to charges for Rhoden, Gilley murders in Pike County

    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ecutions/PikeCountyAdditionalIndictments.aspx

    April 7, 2016

    Purchase made at Walmart – photo and receipt later retrieved by BCI and presented as evidence for murder indictments

    Jan 17, 2019 Discovery Evidence Summary

    April 15, 2016

    Wagner family alleges Hanna Rhoden dropped off her daughter Sophia at their home. This conflicts with other reports that Jake Wagner picked up Sophia around 10:30 pm April 21.

    Sunday, April 17, 2016

    Hanna Rhoden gives birth to Kylie Rhoden at Southern Ohio Medical Center, Portsmouth, OH

    Get Access

    Monday, April 18, 2016

    Photos of Hanna Rhoden in hospital with daughter Sophie and new baby Kylie

    Graves: My wish for the Rhoden babies

    Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - Woman sentenced in road rage incident court case involving Chris Jr.

    From <OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #5>

    Wednesday, April 20, 2016

    Thursday, April 21, 2016

    8 am: Dana arrives at work - Hillcrest Nursing Home, Peebles, OH

    10:30 pm – Jake Wagner is reported to have picked up Sophia from Hanna Rhoden, a day earlier than usual

    11pm: Dana leaves work - Hillcrest Nursing Home - 14 miles away per CNN

    Approx 11:20 pm - Dana arrives home

    Friday, April 22, 2016

    1 am: April Manley, sister in law of Dana Rhoden, allegedly exchanges text messages with Dana. This information has never been confirmed by LE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf4ObgRJ_Xo[/video

    2 am: James Manley later told by LE that he received a text from Jake Wagner, ex-boyfriend of Hanna Rhoden. LE has never confirmed this.
    Pike County Murders: Father says it’s like ‘tearing the scabs off us’

    Between 1 am and 7 am - the following were murdered

    • Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (age 40): Nine (face, torso, extremities).
    • Dana Rhoden (age 37): Five (head).
    • Hannah Gilley (age 20): Five (head)
    • Christopher Rhoden, Jr. (age 16): Four (head).
    • Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden (age 20): Three (head). Two were “contact wounds” as indicated by soot from the gun on his skull.
    • Gary Rhoden (age 37): Three “contact” wounds (head).
    • Hanna Rhoden (19): Two (head).
    • Kenneth Rhoden (age 44): One (right eye).

    Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range

    7:15 am: Bobby Jo Manley, sister of Dina Rhoden, arrives at Chris Sr.'s property to feed his animals. She says she was with two friends, identities have varied, not confirmed.

    7:15 to 7:40?: She uses a key to unlock the front door and sees the bodies of Gary & Chris Rhoden Sr. Exact time not known

    Pike County: 'I was not leaving those babies in there'


    7:49 am: Bobby Jo calls 911 Ibid.
    Audio of call




    7:53 am: PCSO Dep. Music and Dep. Chandler are dispatched to 4077 Union Hill Road in response to the 7:49 am 911 call from BJM. Ibid.

    Approx 7:55 am: Billy Jo Manley runs next door to trailer of Frankie Rhoden & Hannah Gilley. Door is locked, she hears toddler inside, asks him to open the door. She then discovers the bodies of Frankie & Hannah. She takes the children outside to her car.
    Ibid.

    7:15 - 7:53 am: Sometime after discovering the bodies, Billy Jo Manley calls her brother James Manley. He and his son go to the home of Dana Rhoden and discover she is dead. According to his wife, James doesn't go further into Dana's home, though he can see her legs and hear a baby crying.
    Ibid

    8:07 am: Deputy Chandler arrived "at a neighboring residence where he was flagged down by a subject. Deputy Chandler advised that he needed multiple ambulances due to multiple down at multiple residences."

    8:12 am: Deputy Music, Deputy Ball, and Major Evans all arrived "on scene" where they were approached by [Redacted] (later revealed it was James Manley) who stated: "there are two more dead people here." [Redacted] pointed to the residence at 4077 Union Hill.

    From <OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #5>

    8:07 am - 8:17 am: Time of death declared for victims.

    8:21 am: PCSO request for assistance sent to BCI

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/us/ohi...g-pike-county/
    OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #5

    12:13 pm: at least 4 BCI Crime Scene Unit trucks are seen at the intersection of Hwy 32 and Union Hill Road headed towards the crime scenes. (Source: tweet including a photo made by Gannett Ohio reporter @saranealeigh)

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/us/ohi...g-pike-county/

    OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #5

    1:26 pm Friday: Donald Stone calls 911 to report discovery of Kenneth Rhoden’s body

    LISTEN: 911 calls from Pike County mass killing

    Audio of call
    911 call: April 22 in Pike County. 1:26 p.m.

    1:36 pm -- Ohio AG Mike DeWine issues a press release: 7 people murdered in "execution-style killings"
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/us/ohi...g-pike-county/

    1:49 pm - Time of death listed for Kenneth Rhoden

    http://www.chillicothegazette.com/s...-family-death-certificates-released/85051602/

    Saturday, 4/23/2016

    Abt 3 - 4am - LE arrives at Bobby Jo Manley's residence to question her; 5 others also questioned
    Pike County Murders: Father says it’s like ‘tearing the scabs off us’

    Kenny Rhoden (cousin) calls 911 in Greenup Co, KY stating he is being chased by a green Chrysler in South Shore, KY.
    'I fear for my life,' Rhoden family member tells 911 | Ohio News

    Businessman Jeff Ruby offers $25,000 reward
    Jeff Ruby offers $25K reward for Pike Co. killer

    Sunday, April 24, 2016

    Autopsies performed by Hamilton County Medical Examiner in Cincinnati, OH
    https://mgtvwcmh.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/pike-county-final-autopsies-redacted.pdf
    http://nbc4i.com/2016/09/23/attorney-general-releases-autopsies-for-rhoden-family-members/

    Thursday, April 28, 2016

    Funeral for Gary Rhoden, South Shore, KY
    Family honors first of 8 Pike County victims at service


    Jake Wagner files for custody of Sophia, age 2, his daughter with Hanna Rhoden

    Court docs: Suspect filed for custody of child at heart of Pike County investigation days after slayings

    Friday, April 29, 2016

    Businessman Jeff Ruby withdraws his reward of $25,000. News reports say he was advised not to discuss the withdrawal
    Cartel concerns behind Jeff Ruby's withdrawal of $25K reward

    Saturday, April 30, 2016
    Funeral for Hannah Gilley in Ottway, OH
    Hannah Gilley, 20, laid to rest near her childhood home

    Tuesday, May 3, 2016
    Funeral for Rhoden family - Chris Sr, Dana, Frankie, Hanna, Chris Jr. and Kenneth
    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...always-scar-this-town/yRPTKlTHsLqHb2kAg3M2lN/

    Thursday, May 12, 2016
    Trailers of family members Chris Rhoden Sr, Frankie Rhoden & Kenneth Rhoden were sealed and moved to storage at Hasdell Chemical Co. in Waverly, OH. Dana Rhoden’s trailer was moved later, on Sunday, May 15.

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...nty-mobile-homes-moved-crime-scenes/84288652/

    Friday, May 13, 2016

    PCSO/BCI conducts a video interview of Jake Wagner

    OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41

    Tuesday, May 17, 2016

    AG Mike DeWine claims Rhoden family trailers and homes were moved to preserve evidence and to protect the family’s possessions that remain inside. Real property and remaining outbuildings, etc. are released to surviving family members.
    Properties released to family of Pike County victims

    Friday, May 25, 2016

    PCSO/BCI conducts a video interview of Jake Wagner

    Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys
    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/upload_2019-1-8_20-5-19-jpeg.163299/

    Friday, May 27, 2016

    Death certificates released to news media
    http://www.chillicothegazette.com/s...-family-death-certificates-released/85051602/

    Times of death (preliminary) :

    8:07 am Chris Rhoden, Sr, Gary Rhoden

    8:11 am Frankie Rhoden, Hannah Gilley

    8:17 am Dana Rhoden, Hanna Rhoden, Chris Rhoden, Jr.

    1:49 pm Kenneth Rhoden


    Thursday, July 21, 2016

    Pike County Sheriff announces a $10,000 reward, 10 weeks late, after it was approved
    Rhoden murder reward announced - 10 weeks late

    Tuesday, July, 26, 2016
    Coroner, attorney general refuse to release final autopsies in Pike County killings

    Coroner, attorney general refuse to release final autopsies in Pike County killings

    August 2016

    Jacob Wagner, father of Hanna Rhoden's older daughter, lists his family farm for sale. Location is 260 Peterson Rd, Peebles, OH

    Sometime after murders and before May 2017 raid on Wagner properties, it is determined through testing that JW is not the father of Hanna Rhoden's second child.
    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-away-scene-rhoden-family-massacre/101600436/

    Monday, August 8, 2016

    Columbus Dispatch files lawsuit against Pike County Coroner’s office saying it is improperly withholding final autopsy results.

    Coroner, attorney general refuse to release final autopsies in Pike County killings

    Friday, September 9, 2016

    PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with George Wagner III

    Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

    Friday, September 23, 2016

    Ohio AG releases heavily redacted final autopsy reports

    Ohio AG releases redacted Rhoden autopsy reports

    Attorney General releases heavily redacted Pike County autopsy reports

    Wednesday, October 5, 2016

    PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Angela Wagner
    Ibid

    2017

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017

    Ohio Supreme Court agrees to hear lawsuit case of Ohio newspapers seeking to view unredacted final autopsy reports
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-court-will-hear-debate-on-autopsies-of-8-family-members

    Tuesday, March 10, 2017
    Jake Wagner's Peterson Rd house sells for $165,000

    Thursday, April 13, 2017

    PCSO/BCI conduct an audio interview with Jake Wagner
    https://local12.com/news/local/jake-wagner-appears

    Friday, April 21, 2017

    Rhoden family members plead with public for tips to solve murders
    https://www.dispatch.com/news/20170...members-plead-for-tips-to-solve-massacre-of-8

    Saturday, April 22, 2017

    Pike County LE place a GPS tracking device on truck owned by James Manley, brother of Dana Manley Rhoden. LE claims it was placed there because the truck was related to an aggravated murder case

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

    Friday, April 28, 2017

    11:35 am - James Manley finds and removes tracking device and destroys it

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

    Wednesday, May 3, 2017

    PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Jake and Angela Wagner

    https://local12.com/news/local/jake...rt-some-evidence-turned-over-to-his-attorneys

    Approx. May 5, 2017

    Jacob Wagner asks ___ Brown if he can store some trailers on his property. He tells him his farm is sold and he and his brother have found good paying jobs “up north” and are moving there. He needs to move out of farm for new owners. JW drops off 3 trailers at the Brown property “a week before the search

    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...assacre-more-search-details-emerge/101713414/

    Monday, May 8, 2017

    PCSO/BCI conducts audio interview with George Wagner III
    https://local12.com/news/local/jake...rt-some-evidence-turned-over-to-his-attorneys

    Tuesday, May 9, 2017
    Jake Wagner stopped his activities related to intercepting, wire, oral or electronic communications, per Count 20 of his Indictment

    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx


    May 10, 2017
    BCI search at 260 Peterson Rd

    May 5 - May 12, 2017
    Sometime after dropping off 3 trailers loaded with furniture and personal possessions, Jacob Wagner and family leave the area. Later posts on FB show photos of them in a location resembling areas in Alaska or Canada.

    Friday, May 12, 2017

    Abt 11 am - PCSO, BCI, Adams County SO, Ohio Dept. of Corrections STAR and other Ohio LE agencies conduct a search at properties related to Jacob Wagner & family.

    260 Peterson Rd, Peebles, OH - farm formerly owned by Wagner's parents, where JW resided with his mother, father, brother, daughter Sophia Rhoden Wagner and daughter of his brother George.


    Unlimited Motors, St Hwy 41, Peebles, OH - Auto repair business and farm of ___ Brown, friend of J Wagner.
    Ibid

    Saturday, May 13, 2017
    LE team PCSO, BCI) raids Flying W Farms. Franklin County Sheriff's office assists. Franklin County claims their SWAT team accompanied the raid, saying they had an arrest warrant. FCSO later retracts the statement. A neighbor of Flying W Farms who witnessed the vehicle caravan entering and leaving the property is interviewed, claiming there was a SWAT vehicle and an ambulance present.
    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...elative-charged-evidence-tampering/101747576/

    http://www.cincinnati.com/videos/news/2017/05/16/rhoden-investigation-intensifies/101759968/

    From <https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/media-timeline-no-discussion-pike-co-oh-8-family-members-murdered.306329/page-8>

    PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Angela Wagner

    https://local12.com/news/local/jake...rt-some-evidence-turned-over-to-his-attorneys

    Tuesday, May 16, 2017

    PCSO/BCI conduct audio interview with Angela Wagner

    https://local12.com/news/local/jake...rt-some-evidence-turned-over-to-his-attorneys

    May 18, 2017
    BCI searches a Ford Excursion, retrieves items for testing and submitted as evidence

    Jan 17, 2019 Discovery list

    June 8, 2017

    BCI searches trash at Days Inn, Jackson, OH (presume this hotel where GW3 and family stayed)

    https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

    June 19, 2017
    AG DeWine and Sheriff Reader make public appeal for information about Wagner family

    https://www.dispatch.com/news/20170...n-about-family-regarding-pike-county-slayings


    June ? 2017

    Wagner family leaves Ohio to eventually end up living in Kenai, AK



    July 2017

    Wagner family has some kind of possible real estate transaction in Montana

    (Need link to discovery document)

    July 13, 2017
    Search of property on Bethel Hill Rd, Piketon, OH; near Flying W Farms.
    (link to discovery document) Jake Wagner Supplemental discovery evidence list Jan 17, 2019

    Thursday, December 14, 2017
    Ohio Supreme Court rules against Columbus Dispatch and Cincinnati Enquirer in lawsuit to release unredacted final autopsy reports
    https://www.timesgazette.com/news/22296/ohio-high-court-shields-autopsy-reports-in-rhoden-case

    2018

    April 15, 2018

    Wagner trailer search (location unknown)
    Jan 17, 2019 Discovery list

    April 19, 2018
    Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk says Wagner family remains the focus of the Rhoden/Gilley murder investigation
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...investigation-stands-after-2-years/531686002/

    Spring 2018
    Wagner family members return from AK to Flying W Farms and later South Webster, OH. George Wagner IV returns later, arriving before the arrests

    Per AG DeWine press conference at time of arrests

    Approx. July 2018

    Grand Jury is seated in Pike County to hear evidence and testimony in the Rhoden/Gilley murder case
    https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/custody-fight-key-pike-county-case/aIKzRHo4MOwwNc4x9IvkyO/

    July 14, 2018
    Fredericka Wagner testifies before the Pike County Grand Jury regarding purchase of bullet-proof vests, among other evidence.
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5782209-Motion-to-Dismiss-Fredericka-Wagner-Charges.html

    Wednesday, July 18, 2018
    Rita Jo Newcomb testifies before the Pike County Grand Jury, later charged with perjury and obstructing justice
    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ecutions/PikeCountyAdditionalIndictments.aspx

    Tuesday, July 24, 2018
    Fredericka Wagner testifies before the Pike County Grand Jury, later charged with perjury and obstructing justice

    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ecutions/PikeCountyAdditionalIndictments.aspx

    Wednesday, September 19, 2018
    Unredacted preliminary autopsy reports of Rhoden/Gilley victims released for viewing by news media. Complete final autopsy reports remain heavily redacted

    https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/sta...reporters-to-inspect-slain-family-s-autopsies


    Thursday, October 11, 2018
    Registered mail to George Wagner IV pertaining to custody agreement delivered to him at South Webster, OH
    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...amily-arrested-43.421692/page-5#post-14792043

    Tuesday, October 31, 2018
    Investigators gathered the final piece of evidence – a silencer
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...alks-investigation-and-whats-next/2012179002/

    BCI search of well at 260 Peterson Rd – retrieved silencer
    Jake Wagner Supplemental Discovery Evidence List Jan 17, 2019

    Wednesday, November 7, 2018
    Lab experts completed examination of the silencer
    Ibid.

    Monday, November 12, 2018
    Grand Jury hands down murder charges against 4 Wagner family members and forgery, obstruction of justice and other charges against Rita Jo Newcomb and Fredericka Wagner
    Ibid.

    Tuesday, November 13, 2018
    Indictments filed, bringing charges against:
    George Wagner III, Angela Jo Wagner, George Wagner IV, Edward "Jake" Wagner, Fredericka Wagner and Rita Jo Newcomb. Arrests of all were made the same day
    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...cial-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments

    https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ecutions/PikeCountyAdditionalIndictments.aspx

    Indictments allege George Wagner III, George Wagner IV, Angela Wagner, Jake Wagner and Fredericka Wagner plotted revenge against Ohio AG Mike DeWine and Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader

    https://www.chillicothegazette.com/...-bond-made-rhoden-family-massacre/2010483002/

    Wednesday, November 14, 2018
    AG DeWine says custody battle was at the center of the Rhoden/Gilley murders
    https://www.wlwt.com/article/6-arre...-killing-of-8-in-pike-county-ag-says/25055118

    George Wagner III waives extradition from KY, where he was arrested
    https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-ne...-billy-wagner-waives-extradition-1/1596958670

    November 15 - December 5, 2018
    All suspects indicted in connection with Rhoden/Gilley murders arraigned on charges and plead not guilty
    https://www.tdn-net.com/top-stories/53228/last-rhoden-murder-suspect-arraigned

    Link to Pike County Clerk of Courts/Case Dockets
    For information about charges, hearing schedules, docket, etc.
    https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...3slFUypQdLsM-OrQTOL3MTawuVIJicCV6NlLEK2J3s3aQ
     
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    As the Piketon Massacre podcast has apparently been discussed previously and contains interviews with some of the major case players, it is being approved.

    However, please be careful in discussing any rumors that are in the podcast and try to stick to what the actual case players themselves have to say.

    I will reapprove posts that were removed earlier today.
     
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    Johnny B Bad Well-Known Member

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    So BR was hiding under Hannah Gilley’s bed and was said he was sharing the bed with his stepmother so where was Frankie Rhoden???? JMO
     
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    Johnny B Bad Well-Known Member

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    So we had FR and HG sleeping in their bed with a 3 year old and a 6 month child between them, AW had to be there to help keep the kids safe, ???? JMO
     
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    Johnny where did you hear this? I've only ever heard that BR was sleeping on the couch in living room.
     
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    Loomis124 Former Member

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    NO!

    Per Agent Scheiderer's testimony, one of the .22 caliber shell casings was found in the bed between Frankie Rhoden and Hannah Hazel Gilley. There was no mention of BR being in their bedroom. Only Ruger.

    Bobby Manley, eyewitness and first responder, stated that Brentley was sleeping on the couch and opened the door at her request.

    IMO, the podcast information needs to be substianteded with proof before it is to be believed. FR and HG's bedroom was at the back of the trailer, IIRC. JMO
     
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    Caylee Advocate 2 GLAM 2 GIVE A DAMN

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    Not Johnny, but probably from that podcast which IMO, is full of crap. First time I listened to it, and last time for me. :rolleyes:
     
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    Johnny, please, please. We all must be very careful in that we only post facts. IMO, only testimony is fact. Not podcasts, not opinion. TY
     
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    Podcast #9 on the IHart .
     
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    Did you listen to the podcast???? The very same reporters that gave us the first information is the ones that are on the program! Those Reports went to a lot of family members homes that you and I have not did! So maybe some of the information is off but I know one thing the stuff that some of you all have put on here from new reports has been off also, so how can you all say the podcast is not true when Jeff Winkler was one of the first reports on the Rhodens Massacre, JMO
     
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    You need to go back and listen to whatever you listened to hear that.
     
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    Nothing you mentioned can prove he was not wrong. He could have been the first and only reporter on the murders and still be wrong. My bet would be BJM was correct if she said BR was on the couch...
     
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    I never saw where BJM, said BR was on the couch, BJM only said that BR opened the door after she knocked trying to wake Frankie, JMO
     
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    Ok your opinion is fine to post here.
     
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