OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

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  1. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    George Wagner is accused of killing a family of 8 living on a pot farm in Pike County OH. While first thought to be drug related the killings now could be the result of a custody battle. 3 other members of the Wagner family have been arrested as well. So many twists and turns and Websleuths members are on top of every single thing that happens in the shocking case.

    The gruesome slayings have rattled this southeast corner of Appalachian Ohio, a region that culturally identifies more closely with neighboring Kentucky and West Virginia than the state’s northern cities.

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    Adding to the shock was the discovery of hundreds of illegal marijuana plants on Rhoden’s property, highlighting the region’s dependency on the illegal drug trade as jobs in agriculture and timber have dried up.

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    Yes, I think it's more about the number of people and the 3 generations living together, there might be physical space but no privacy.

    ETA: especially if they suspected they were also sharing the house with secret listeners!
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    OK Everyone,

    Please continue here.
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Caylee Advocate Breast Cancer Awareness

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    I don't know how long it takes Trudie, ask Tricia if she is still on here. We have had several attorneys on different threads that had threads specifically started to ask questions. Gitana1 is one, and for the life of me I can't recall who helped us so much during the Jodi Arias trial... she was heaven sent IMO.

    Drats, now I need to go look for her. :D:D


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    Well now I am red faced, it was AZlawyer, :rolleyes: there was also Minor4th and Mormon Attorney.
     
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  8. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Collection of unlawful debt is defined as including only "a debt (A) incurred or contracted in gambling activity and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money at a rate usurious under State or Federal law." Castrillo v. Am. Home Mortg. Servicing, Inc., 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 106909 (E.D. La. Nov. 16, 2009)

    This??? ^^^^^^^^^

    Collection of Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Lawriter - ORC - 2923.31 Corrupt activity definitions.

    Enterprise" includes any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, limited partnership, corporation, trust, union, government agency, or other legal entity, or any organization, association, or group of persons associated in fact although not a legal entity. "Enterprise" includes illicit as well as licit enterprises.

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    After reading this multiple times, I think I can see (maybe) what part 2 of the motive is & perhaps the “bizarreness”. How about you guys?
     
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  10. JustaboyFromMS

    JustaboyFromMS Topix Legend

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    What are your thoughts exactly?
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Hey JAB, I’m still reading. Trying to make sense.

    You read the links & have any idea?
     
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    No, Im trying to catch up. Like 12 pages behind. I'll let u know once I check it out.
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Well, sadly, the above links are tedious reading. Lol
    I called an atty friend, but he’s preparing for a.m. court.

    For now, I’m going to refrain from posting where I think this is going. Once you or anyone read the links, I do believe things will be more clear. I must study this more, tho. Unfortunately, I gotta read one indictment again. Boring.
     
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  14. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Pondering on this a bit more before take the plunge. Here's a definition that states that the item can be a "thing" too;

    Under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, an unlawful debt is defined as “a debt that is (A) unenforceable under state or federal law in whole or in part as to the principal or interest because of the laws relating to usury, and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money or a thing of value at a rate usurious under state or federal law, where the usurious rate is at least twice the enforceable rate.” Proctor v. Metro. Money Store Corp, 645 F. Supp. 2d 464 (D. Md. 2009)

    Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

    Unlawful Debt/Racketeering
    18 U.S. Code § 1962 - Prohibited activities
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    “pattern of corrupt activity”. Pattern would be more than once & perhaps quite frequent, right?

    Lol, I’m thinking out loud.
     
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    Great. My head needs more deep reading! Lol
    Thanks, Rsd, let me get started.
    Yea, too soon to plunge. IMO
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    .......I do hope I never need to read a W indictment again. Especially, before bed.
     
  18. Puzzles8

    Puzzles8 Exonerated Mountain Lion

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    I kind of read this as allowing gangs to be defined as an enterprise. Though gangs are not legally organized as a LLC, they are nonetheless "an associated group of people". I am just thinking out loud and throwing it out there!
    Are there any biker groups in that area?
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Idk.
     
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    Puzzles8 Exonerated Mountain Lion

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    Do you think anyone was taking side bets on demo derby? horse racing? cock fights? dog fights?
     
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