OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[tlcya]

George Wagner is accused of killing a family of 8 living on a pot farm in Pike County OH. While first thought to be drug related the killings now could be the result of a custody battle. 3 other members of the Wagner family have been arrested as well. So many twists and turns and Websleuths members are on top of every single thing that happens in the shocking case.

The gruesome slayings have rattled this southeast corner of Appalachian Ohio, a region that culturally identifies more closely with neighboring Kentucky and West Virginia than the state’s northern cities.

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Adding to the shock was the discovery of hundreds of illegal marijuana plants on Rhoden’s property, highlighting the region’s dependency on the illegal drug trade as jobs in agriculture and timber have dried up.

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[plumloco]

Lawyer of massacre suspect wants case moved elsewhere
Sorry if this was already posted!!

 

[Satchie]

Like a double wide with an addition, iirc? For a family of 6.

Yes, I think it's more about the number of people and the 3 generations living together, there might be physical space but no privacy.

ETA: especially if they suspected they were also sharing the house with secret listeners!

 

[Trudie]

Plea-bargaining in Capital Murder Cases: Is it fair to victims?

An interesting read. Really exemplifies the lengths prosecutors go to to avoid trials, even in the most heinous crimes. Who could forget Gary Ridgeway. Talk about a man deserving of death.

 

[Tricia]

OK Everyone,

Please continue here.

 

[Trudie]

Did anyone ever determine what this actually means?

“The enterprise, through a pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of an unlawful debt, to wit.........”

It’s in the indictments.

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...cial-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments

Any idea how long it takes an attorney to be verified? I’m thinking of asking a friend to get here stat to answer questions.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Did anyone ever determine what this actually means?

“The enterprise, through a pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of an unlawful debt, to wit.........”

It’s in the indictments.

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...cial-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments

Any idea how long it takes an attorney to be verified? I’m thinking of asking a friend to get here stat to answer questions.

I don't know how long it takes Trudie, ask Tricia if she is still on here. We have had several attorneys on different threads that had threads specifically started to ask questions. Gitana1 is one, and for the life of me I can't recall who helped us so much during the Jodi Arias trial... she was heaven sent IMO.

Drats, now I need to go look for her.


ETA:
Well now I am red faced, it was AZlawyer, there was also Minor4th and Mormon Attorney.

 

[Trudie]

Collection of unlawful debt is defined as including only "a debt (A) incurred or contracted in gambling activity and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money at a rate usurious under State or Federal law." Castrillo v. Am. Home Mortg. Servicing, Inc., 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 106909 (E.D. La. Nov. 16, 2009)

This??? ^^^^^^^^^

Collection of Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

 

[Trudie]

Lawriter - ORC - 2923.31 Corrupt activity definitions.

Enterprise" includes any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, limited partnership, corporation, trust, union, government agency, or other legal entity, or any organization, association, or group of persons associated in fact although not a legal entity. "Enterprise" includes illicit as well as licit enterprises.

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After reading this multiple times, I think I can see (maybe) what part 2 of the motive is & perhaps the “bizarreness”. How about you guys?

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

Lawriter - ORC - 2923.31 Corrupt activity definitions.

Enterprise" includes any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, limited partnership, corporation, trust, union, government agency, or other legal entity, or any organization, association, or group of persons associated in fact although not a legal entity. "Enterprise" includes illicit as well as licit enterprises.

**************

After reading this multiple times, I think I can see (maybe) what part 2 of the motive is & perhaps the “bizarreness”.

What are your thoughts exactly?

 

[Trudie]

Hey JAB, I’m still reading. Trying to make sense.

You read the links & have any idea?

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

Hey JAB, I’m still reading. Trying to make sense.

You read the links & have any idea?

No, Im trying to catch up. Like 12 pages behind. I'll let u know once I check it out.

 

[Trudie]

No, Im trying to catch up. Like 12 pages behind. I'll let u know once I check it out.

Well, sadly, the above links are tedious reading. Lol
I called an atty friend, but he’s preparing for a.m. court.

For now, I’m going to refrain from posting where I think this is going. Once you or anyone read the links, I do believe things will be more clear. I must study this more, tho. Unfortunately, I gotta read one indictment again. Boring.

 

[rsd1200]

Well, sadly, the above links are tedious reading. Lol
I called an atty friend, but he’s preparing for a.m. court.
Tysm

For now, I’m going to refrain from posting where I think this is going. Once you or anyone read the links, I do believe things will be more clear. I must study this more, tho. Unfortunately, I gotta read one indictment again. Boring.

Pondering on this a bit more before take the plunge. Here's a definition that states that the item can be a "thing" too;

Under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, an unlawful debt is defined as “a debt that is (A) unenforceable under state or federal law in whole or in part as to the principal or interest because of the laws relating to usury, and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money or a thing of value at a rate usurious under state or federal law, where the usurious rate is at least twice the enforceable rate.” Proctor v. Metro. Money Store Corp, 645 F. Supp. 2d 464 (D. Md. 2009)

Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

Unlawful Debt/Racketeering
18 U.S. Code § 1962 - Prohibited activities

 

[Trudie]

Did anyone ever determine what this actually means?

“The enterprise, through a pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of an unlawful debt, to wit.........”

It’s in the indictments.

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...cial-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments

Any idea how long it takes an attorney to be verified? I’m thinking of asking a friend to get here stat to answer questions.

“pattern of corrupt activity”. Pattern would be more than once & perhaps quite frequent, right?

Lol, I’m thinking out loud.

 

[Trudie]

Pondering on this a bit more before take the plunge. Here's a definition that states that the item can be a "thing" too;

Under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, an unlawful debt is defined as “a debt that is (A) unenforceable under state or federal law in whole or in part as to the principal or interest because of the laws relating to usury, and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money or a thing of value at a rate usurious under state or federal law, where the usurious rate is at least twice the enforceable rate.” Proctor v. Metro. Money Store Corp, 645 F. Supp. 2d 464 (D. Md. 2009)

Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

Unlawful Debt/Racketeering
18 U.S. Code § 1962 - Prohibited activities

Great. My head needs more deep reading! Lol
Thanks, Rsd, let me get started.
Yea, too soon to plunge. IMO

 

[Trudie]

.......I do hope I never need to read a W indictment again. Especially, before bed.

 

[Puzzles8]

Lawriter - ORC - 2923.31 Corrupt activity definitions.

Enterprise" includes any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, limited partnership, corporation, trust, union, government agency, or other legal entity, or any organization, association, or group of persons associated in fact although not a legal entity. "Enterprise" includes illicit as well as licit enterprises.

**************

After reading this multiple times, I think I can see (maybe) what part 2 of the motive is & perhaps the “bizarreness”. How about you guys?

I kind of read this as allowing gangs to be defined as an enterprise. Though gangs are not legally organized as a LLC, they are nonetheless "an associated group of people". I am just thinking out loud and throwing it out there!
Are there any biker groups in that area?

 

[Trudie]

I kind of read this as allowing gangs to be defined as an enterprise. Though gangs are not legally organized as a LLC, they are nonetheless "an associated group of people". I am just thinking out loud and throwing it out there!
Are there any biker groups in that area?

Idk.

 

[Puzzles8]

Collection of unlawful debt is defined as including only "a debt (A) incurred or contracted in gambling activity and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money at a rate usurious under State or Federal law." Castrillo v. Am. Home Mortg. Servicing, Inc., 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 106909 (E.D. La. Nov. 16, 2009)

This??? ^^^^^^^^^

Collection of Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

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