OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41

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  1. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to her not going to Crystal Springs - the nursing home she owns, not the church. Prosecutor Canepa today argued that to her knowledge FW had not been to the nursing home in about 3 years.

    From your link:

    BBM

    Also agree with Canepa on this point:

    BBM

    Prosecution will research the request and get back to the judge. Most of these motions will be ruled on before the end of January, according to Judge Deering today.
     
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  2. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    She said one had just died, iirc. She appeared frail, I wonder if she’s even capable to throw hay bales, chop ice from water tanks & other chores. She might simply want out & about.
     
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  3. IQuestion

    IQuestion Well-Known Member

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    BETTYP... apologies. Am on a tropical paradise with Hubby and he is furious I brought my laptop. Miss all of my citizen sleuths.... and only 27 pages to go to catch up. But you all are so good, I love to read your posts very slowly and think about each one. Buh-bye, IQ
    I took a screenshot of this document, filed in Dec 2018. This where I found the framework of LE interviews. Hope this works!! Yahoo...it did!
    upload_2019-1-10_22-9-12.jpeg
     
  4. IQuestion

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    Need to add to timeline: May 13, 2016 (yep Friday the 13th) VIDEO INTERVIEW of JW.
    That is definitely the one I want to hear and view. I want to see how he handles himself and of course, his acting skills. (The dates are on copy of doc's I posted above.) But, a great time line....I am captivated!
     
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    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    Sorry, if this has been posted, but I'm behind about 300 plus post here.... :(

    But just in case you haven't seen it! :)

    Next hearing for:

    GW4:
    03/22/2019 01:30 PM PRE-TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

    link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...rC9Tkj8N7JwJSaOuc6lQA8eR4IFEc6zURUa*5jmOJqnlw


    FW:
    03/28/2019 01:30 PM PRE-TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

    link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...rC9Tkj8N7JwJeO8ScWzfyVlAm03di3TdzaAtvYIXt3nUw


    RN:
    03/28/2019 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

    link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...rC9Tkj8N7JwJUdOlbJrh8OYqoGFQq2CGDolqhbWH7tBCQ
     
  6. Myland

    Myland Well-Known Member

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    I didn’t see the vests listed in the W indictment as one of the purchases. Did I overlook it? Could le not link the vests to the murders? Jmo
     
  7. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! I'll add it. Thanks for the doc. This looks like it's part of recent discovery files. Yes, it will be interesting to see how JW behaves at his next hearing.
     
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  8. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I see the lil huts, with roosters tied to them, all throughout this region. They aren't being raised for family pets. It is what it is. FR had cock fighting video on his FB, and a place from out of country to get the supplements to get them prepped for the ring. He was either taking them someplace to fight, or raising and selling them for the ring. It's not that hard to figure out.
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    BBM
    G3 is her only family member accused of this crime. Her other son, and her daughter, seem to have lead decent lives. She may not have even known about the purchases. Dudly produced an Amazon receipt of some sort. My friend has an account that was set to auto login. A grandchild got on the account and order just shy of $1k in items. No one noticed til said items started showing up at the house.

    I'd not fault anyone from wearing them around a nasty horse, or hunting season. I've been bitten by a flighty mare, and my cousin actually lost a good chunk of meat, from a stud bite.

    They were designing book bags with plates in them. Not sure how that took off.
     
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    Q: Who attends the grand juries?

    ANSWER ↕

    A: While the prosecutor is presenting their case, the grand jurors, court reporter, prosecutor, and prosecutor’s witnesses are present. Witnesses are only present during their own testimony.

    The accused person is not present unless he or she is called as a witness. They do not have a right to have their attorney present even if called as a witness. Not even a judge is present in the grand jury room, although a judge will be contacted if a witness refuses to answer a question and the prosecutor wishes to cite the witness for contempt.

    After the conclusion of the prosecutor’s case, the jury deliberates. Grand jury deliberations are completely private, and no one outside of the 9-person grand jury may attend.

    https://www.acluohio.org/ohio-grand-juries-faq
     
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    The thing about this is:
    1.) The fact that it has not been proven those chickens were used to fight.
    2.) It apparently has nothing to do with this case but keeps getting brought up over and over. Why?
     
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  12. Betty P

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    Thanks, but JMO, this stuff really isn't relevant to the case, unless it had something to do with the murders.

    Were the W's involved in cockfighting, perhaps? Was FR growing these roosters to sell to the Wagners? I suppose that's possible. I hadn't considered that.

    Perhaps that's what they're using the church for on Flying W Farms when church isn't in session. Is that why FR wants to get a waiver from her "house arrest"? So she can attend the cockfighting games because she doesn't trust anyone else to handle the money?

    Perhaps Fred Wagner's family was raising their own roosters and killed FR because they wanted to eliminate competition

    If so, W's should be investigated for those crimes, too and arrested if there's evidence.

    All JMO. I'm just continuing the speculation about how raising roosters might be related to the arrest of members of the W family murder of 8 people.
     
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    Her two grandsons are not considered family members?

    If her Amazon account was used to buy items used to commit crimes, she could be innocent of even knowing they were purchased?
    Therefore innocent of wrongdoing? Not sure what you are saying.
     
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  14. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Welcome Howcan! It may be that she didn't know that they were there. Just b/c you live in a home, doesn't mean you know everything that's in it. I have had my home searched. It's not a super great feeling. Very embarrassing, and demeaning, and I personally felt as if I should shower afterwards. My kids could have snuck something by me, and hidden it behind a dresser, or in a box under their bed. I only have two eyes, and so many hours in the day. Thankfully, my search ended up with nothing. I was pretty diligent though. Another friend was so oblivious, to the real world, that she had no idea why her adult son had bent spoons in his room, and was stealing all of her spoons. Some folks just can't put 2+2 together.
     
  15. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    True, you have a point. But it seems unlikely they prosecutors would have brought perjury and obstruction of justice charges against her unless they could prove FW knew of such a scenario. Safe to assume they did their homework. JMO

    It's tempting to speculate about a lot of this and there's no way to avoid it, but we'll have to be patient and wait for the details to emerge. For now, all the defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty and the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley are all still dead.
     
  16. Trudie

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    Dudly, maybe OH is dif’. Many states allow a witness to have their attorney outside the proceedings, in the corridor. Later, I’ll find info regarding OH. I know KY, MI & WI used to allow a witness to pause, ask their att for advice before answering. Again , the attys is NOT with them to object, cross examine, etc.

    Maybe this: Testifying Before a Grand Jury
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I've wondered, by the way the indictments are written, if it was only two, who went that night. The indictments read, to me, that they don't know, exactly, who did what, where, or to whom.
     
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    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Or possibly only two were the designated shooters. The others may have been along to help in other ways - to control the dogs, remove security systems, clean up evidence, stand outside as a lookout, etc.
     
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    We do not know if the roosters were raised for cockfighting or not. The only ones who can tell us that are dead.

    I read an article about game roosters that were raised and sold at flea markets and farmers markets. The people that bought them used their feathers in jewelry and hats and other articles they then sold. Apparently, but I am not sure in all cases, the rooster must be killed to get the feathers.

    JMO
     
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    Fred lost her right to claim innocence the day she lied to the GJ.
     
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