Discussion in 'Crimes in the News' started by tlcya, Jul 29, 2017.
What is that?
By other W family, do you mean the Walls family? Just trying to makes sure there's no confusion. Is there a link for that search? Is it in the discovery docs? TIA
Exactly. One term that was used ..."right hand man".
Edit: To add more info.
One of the senior walls retired from Value City Distribution Center. A Value City semi trailer was parked on CR's property, "full of flea market stuff".
Nov. 2016 - Horse barn search at walls - Cadaver dog brought in on Pike County search
Isn't V. Walls in fed prison for the Chilly Loco bust? edit: Chilly, not Chilli
Delete. This post was to Betty P to show the Wagner's did provide DNA samples to LE, but then I saw OhioBlues had already posted the information.
I thought he got out? Maybe just talk? JMO
Released on 05 October 2017
Thanks, everyone, for the reminder about that. If I stay away from the case a while, I forget some of the details. It's such a complicated case and gets more so every day.
In regards to your statement "I'm not sure I can trust what their attorney alleged" about the Wagner's submitting to DNA testing.....
I would have to agree but I think it's the other way around. I don't think the Wagner's attorney would deliberately, blatantly, lie for the Wagners and risk being publicly contradicted by LE.
Rather, I think it more likely the Wagner's would have lied to their attorney, feeding their attorney whatever information they wanted the attorney to give to the public in the hopes of making themselves look like the " harassed" victims of LE., which is how their attorney put it.
Whether or not the Wagner's submitted DNA, it is important to note that the Wagner's lies to LE are actually something that will be used against them in their trial.
Reader said they were careful to cover their tracks but not careful enough. He said they left traces (parts to make a gun silencer) which will be used in court as evidence against them. In that same statement he said there are "all the lies they told us." Those lies also will be used as evidence against them in court.
I think some of their lies involve contradicting statements, and a changing narrative which will put doubt in the Juries minds.
I think their lies were more elaborate and complicated that just simply saying they
"didn't do it."
LE is "famous" for getting defendants on video interviews contradicting themselves. Saying one story here then a different one there, changing the story sometimes many times etc... Then the videos are played for the Jury and the Jury won't believe anything the defendant says, or what the defense attorney says on their behalf.
Look at all the many INTERVIEWS the prosecution has in the Discovery Evidence in this Murder Case! Yes most is audio, but same difference.
......My 2 Cents.......
GW3 has a Norse tattoo the Valknut on his arm. I’m not sure if the family has any odinist ties or if they just think Norse symbolism are cool. The pine tree is a symbol of the birth of Frey, the god of sun and fertility. In other cultures it’s supposed to represent peace.
White Pines are all over Ohio too. So, not sure if its tied to any of the above but that’s my input on the name
Or he's a white supremacist, which is another interpretation of this Nordic Valknut tattoo. But there are actually many interpretations of it:
What Does Valknut Tattoo Mean? | 45+ Ideas and Designs
Photos of one of his tattoos was turn over to his defense attorneys as evidence against him.
As I've mentioned before I believe it's his scorpion tattoo that was turned over as evidence, it's above and slightly down the top of his right "trigger" finger. This tattoo has been much discussed in previous threads, but I mention it here in case you are not familiar with it.
The family sells dogs with references and photos from happy customers on their website. I don't know if the W's named the dogs or if the happy customer named them. There are 3 different dogs named Odin on their website.
In 2015, a lot of the buildings had been removed, at Bethel. Looked to be a barn left and some scrap stuff. However, I agree, I think the suspects drove to the old place on Bethel, collected themselves, burned evidence, cleaned up, and went home to Peterson. I can't be sure, but since the Bethel Rd. address, is actually a part of FWF, I think they likely searched it when they performed the searches in May 2017.
I think that the three interlocked triangles are in the Noridic vein, due to some other things I've noticed, but the triangles may have dual meaning, as in, three who committed murder together are interlocked, forever. It's possible that AW was not there that night.
Was the Chilly Loco bust the fed operation that included the sheriffs departments of the surrounding area excepting the Pike Sheriff department? I don't remember any of the details. Could the Rhoden's commercial grow been part of that crime organization... like an unindicted conspirator?
I wasn’t sure if I should mention the meaning behind the Valknut tattoo because it carries different meanings for some and I haven’t seen anything other than what the news has speculated.
I only saw it because I was trying to find a picture of the scorpion and I googled billy Wagner tattoo and the Valknut came up.
Wow. That puts things in a whole new light.
I hear ya'.. just because SW was a cousin to VW, he surely is involved, has to be..
I don’t understand the connection, could someone please explain. Thank you.
One thing I don't understand is why the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections were in on the searches? I've looked at their website and anything I can find only states that duties of whomever in the ODRC are institutional. They don't mention their employees helping with man power for large searches. Why would they have been involved?
JW posting that Monday that they were in AK then removing those posts and even AW saying they wete away seems like the W's were maybe expecting their arrests eminently and were going incognito?
IMO, there is no connection. I'm sure there are a few who will say there is though. Welcome grandmasb.