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Here's an interesting story about the bust of an interstate MJ trafficking ring in Ohio. No indication its related to the Rhoden murders, but it provides more insight into the nature of MJ trafficking:

Three charged in interstate drug ring; 100 pounds of marijuana, $1 million seized


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/three_men_charged_in_state-to-.html

Investigators said Amer Jabir transported large amounts of marijuana from California to Chicago, and dropped off a portion of it in Chicago. The rest of it came to Cleveland and Detroit, according to federal investigators.

Ahmad Jabir and Abdelrahim served as dealers, officials said.

Following the arrest of the three men over 100 pounds of marijuana and over $1 million dollars in cash were seized at locations in Chicago and North Olmsted.
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Is the MJ moving from California because so many grow ops have been shut down in Ohio? Or is it just Mexican growers still competing with local grows? I'm no expert on this, but have many questions. I'm also still keeping an open mind about connections between Pike County and gangs in the north - Detroit, Chicago, etc. Also keeping in mind the Mexican cartels are still active in Ohio.
 
Betty P said:
Here's an interesting story about the bust of an interstate MJ trafficking ring in Ohio. No indication its related to the Rhoden murders, but it provides more insight into the nature of MJ trafficking:

Three charged in interstate drug ring; 100 pounds of marijuana, $1 million seized


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/three_men_charged_in_state-to-.html



Is the MJ moving from California because so many grow ops have been shut down in Ohio? Or is it just Mexican growers still competing with local grows? I'm no expert on this, but have many questions. I'm also still keeping an open mind about connections between Pike County and gangs in the north - Detroit, Chicago, etc. Also keeping in mind the Mexican cartels are still active in Ohio.
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ETA: A correction. The MJ apparently originated in Humboldt County, CA.
 
Betty P said:
Here's an interesting story about the bust of an interstate MJ trafficking ring in Ohio. No indication its related to the Rhoden murders, but it provides more insight into the nature of MJ trafficking:

Three charged in interstate drug ring; 100 pounds of marijuana, $1 million seized


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/three_men_charged_in_state-to-.html



Is the MJ moving from California because so many grow ops have been shut down in Ohio? Or is it just Mexican growers still competing with local grows? I'm no expert on this, but have many questions. I'm also still keeping an open mind about connections between Pike County and gangs in the north - Detroit, Chicago, etc. Also keeping in mind the Mexican cartels are still active in Ohio.
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Those are Afghan names or maybe Iranian. Especially the Jabir. The Abdelrahim could be Iranian or Iraqi.

JMO
 
Betty P said:
Not sure finding more ways to put drug users in jail for a long time is going to help. It hasn't helped so far. This looks like more posturing for upcoming elections.
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I have mixed emotions on that. I know other parents who do as well. I firmly believe that my adult child might not be here if they hadn't picked him up and revoked him. His gf got picked up a few weeks later, it got kinda bad, and after serving some time, and in rehab, she's here with us until the 1/2 way house accepts her (yes, they turned her out w/o lining up transportation, or a bed with the 1/2 way house, which is 80 miles from the rehab.) I hate that he's in there. A guard beat a boy to death in one county jail here and my son was been beaten when picked up. I partied when I was young, and I knew a a handul that used H, but geeze, it's crazy out there. I'm so tired o worrying. :(
 
rsd1200 said:
I have mixed emotions on that. I know other parents who do as well. I firmly believe that my adult child might not be here if they hadn't picked him up and revoked him. His gf got picked up a few weeks later, it got kinda bad, and after serving some time, and in rehab, she's here with us until the 1/2 way house accepts her (yes, they turned her out w/o lining up transportation, or a bed with the 1/2 way house, which is 80 miles from the rehab.) I hate that he's in there. A guard beat a boy to death in one county jail here and my son was been beaten when picked up. I partied when I was young, and I knew a a handul that used H, but geeze, it's crazy out there. I'm so tired o worrying. :(
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The problem is there are already laws on the books to deal with these crimes. It seems like they're just trying to make it so the offenders are put away for even longer sentences. JMO, this is just grandstanding to look good for the upcoming elections.
 
Betty P said:
The problem is there are already laws on the books to deal with these crimes. It seems like they're just trying to make it so the offenders are put away for even longer sentences. JMO, this is just grandstanding to look good for the upcoming elections.
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I don't think that there is a resolution for addicts, and users, caught up in the life. It's been years now. Nothing has helped. I look at it that one more time in SAP is better than death, and no more chances. Ultimately, though, they have to make the choice to do it for themselves, and then it's no guarantee. I don't see anyone coming up with any other solutions, or performing any miracles, lately. As soon as Dewine opened his mouth about them being pot growers, he shed a completely different light on the Rs, and HHG. Sympathy seemed to evaporate.
 
For you great researchers, .....
Ok, CRsr had just bought those properties for Dana/him and put down 30,000.00 cash and owed 30 K more. That would mean there was a lien on the property until the loan was paid off. Don't you have to have insurance on a loan? Now since no grow ops were found at Dana's, that means they couldn't confiscate it , right? Or could they because it was in CRsr's name. Wouldn't they go after properties he did own, to pay for the loan owned? Or, could they foreclose on the properties? Couldn't someone come along and make a profit from that?
If someone was still making payments on said property, would they be the ones the property went to after probate/court ?
 
amauet1 said:
For you great researchers, .....
Ok, CRsr had just bought those properties for Dana/him and put down 30,000.00 cash and owed 30 K more. That would mean there was a lien on the property until the loan was paid off. Don't you have to have insurance on a loan? Now since no grow ops were found at Dana's, that means they couldn't confiscate it , right? Or could they because it was in CRsr's name. Wouldn't they go after properties he did own, to pay for the loan owned? Or, could they foreclose on the properties? Couldn't someone come along and make a profit from that?
If someone was still making payments on said property, would they be the ones the property went to after probate/court ?
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Generally with local bank loan/mortgage there's no requirement to have insurance especially since he put down 50%
of property value. In order to keep property, someone in authority (cr,sr. personal rep., estate admin.) would need to keep mtge. payments current which isn't likely since the county took the mfgd. home away. So only the lot is left.
My guess is they just allowed bank to take back lot and signed deed in lieu of foreclosure.
 
rsd1200 said:
I have mixed emotions on that. I know other parents who do as well. I firmly believe that my adult child might not be here if they hadn't picked him up and revoked him. His gf got picked up a few weeks later, it got kinda bad, and after serving some time, and in rehab, she's here with us until the 1/2 way house accepts her (yes, they turned her out w/o lining up transportation, or a bed with the 1/2 way house, which is 80 miles from the rehab.) I hate that he's in there. A guard beat a boy to death in one county jail here and my son was been beaten when picked up. I partied when I was young, and I knew a a handul that used H, but geeze, it's crazy out there. I'm so tired o worrying. :(
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Sorry to hear about your son and his gf. With my son it was alcohol. He had multiple DUIs while driving under suspension for DUI. The problem was prevalent in
his mother's family back to his great grand mother. He was given court ordered counseling. Somehow she got through to him. She told him the possibility for
addiction would be with him for life be it alcohol, drugs, gambling, or what ever. He never had more than an occasional beer for about 20 years. About 2-3
years ago he got in with a different crowd and is back to drinking regularly. His justification is that he don't drive after he has been drinking so it isn't the same.
He has cut off communication with me. I'm not sure if it is because he don't want me to know how much he is drinking or don't want to be told he should know better... It could be something else altogether, too, I suppose...

S
 
It sure looks like this case is headed for the storage room if it isn't there already. What a shame...
 
Dudly said:
Sorry to hear about your son and his gf. With my son it was alcohol. He had multiple DUIs while driving under suspension for DUI. The problem was prevalent in
his mother's family back to his great grand mother. He was given court ordered counseling. Somehow she got through to him. She told him the possibility for
addiction would be with him for life be it alcohol, drugs, gambling, or what ever. He never had more than an occasional beer for about 20 years. About 2-3
years ago he got in with a different crowd and is back to drinking regularly. His justification is that he don't drive after he has been drinking so it isn't the same.
He has cut off communication with me. I'm not sure if it is because he don't want me to know how much he is drinking or don't want to be told he should know better... It could be something else altogether, too, I suppose...

S
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I'm sorry. Alcohol is just as bad if you can't put it down. A lot of my friends had alcohol addictions. I was married to an alcoholic for quite some time, my son's father, not fun. I try not to fuss with him much about his choices, now that he's well over 21, but I can tell when he's starting to backslide, and it's just a matter of time til I lose him again. At least he's alive. His gf got a bed opened in the half way house last night, thankfully. We live in such a small town, it's hard not to get back with friends they've known, for so long, who are on the same path. I've been around all of this since I was 17 and that was many moons ago. That's why I just don't see the Rs as being murdered over pot. It is a dangerous game to get into moving large quantities of hard stuff, or even dealing, moderate amounts, of hard stuff (you can get robbed and killed), but pot, especially if they were growing/selling it, like I think they were, just isn't that big of a deal. If it was, the dudes with that big, fancy, grow op , that was underground, would have been prime targets. I really feel it is something much deeper. I could be wrong though.

ETA: You are right about anything like gambling too. Mine may not drink much but he can't go near a casino. I know it doesn't seem like much, but if he doesn't drive, that is, at least, something, to be thankful for.
 
Dudly said:
Sorry to hear about your son and his gf. With my son it was alcohol. He had multiple DUIs while driving under suspension for DUI. The problem was prevalent in
his mother's family back to his great grand mother. He was given court ordered counseling. Somehow she got through to him. She told him the possibility for
addiction would be with him for life be it alcohol, drugs, gambling, or what ever. He never had more than an occasional beer for about 20 years. About 2-3
years ago he got in with a different crowd and is back to drinking regularly. His justification is that he don't drive after he has been drinking so it isn't the same.
He has cut off communication with me. I'm not sure if it is because he don't want me to know how much he is drinking or don't want to be told he should know better... It could be something else altogether, too, I suppose...

S
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As a recovering addict myself, maybe I can help a little? See, I said "recovering addict" even though I've been sober for 20 years. I was taught that even though I'm sober today, my addiction lies in wait for me. All I am is just one fix away from where I was. And Dudley, if your son is not ready to get sober, no one, and nothing can be done by anybody but himself. I gave up drinking even though I didn't have a problem with it. Again I was taught that alcohol was a drug. I would say he has "cut off" all people who know he has had or has a problem with alcohol. That way he can continue to drink without having to explain anything. It's called denial. If you don't have a problem, then theres nothing to fix about yourself.
Sadly most of us have to lose everything important to us before we finally do something about it. I hope that helps?
 
amauet1 said:
As a recovering addict myself, maybe I can help a little? See, I said "recovering addict" even though I've been sober for 20 years. I was taught that even though I'm sober today, my addiction lies in wait for me. All I am is just one fix away from where I was. And Dudley, if your son is not ready to get sober, no one, and nothing can be done by anybody but himself. I gave up drinking even though I didn't have a problem with it. Again I was taught that alcohol was a drug. I would say he has "cut off" all people who know he has had or has a problem with alcohol. That way he can continue to drink without having to explain anything. It's called denial. If you don't have a problem, then theres nothing to fix about yourself.
Sadly most of us have to lose everything important to us before we finally do something about it. I hope that helps?
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O/T Great advice amauet1. I'm not very good with that part. Best of wishes on your continued path of recovery. :)
 
rsd1200 said:
O/T Great advice amauet1. I'm not very good with that part. Best of wishes on your continued path of recovery. :)
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I found strength and hope for myself, as I too suffered from the effects of anothers addiction , in Al-Anon. Just saying...
 
smitty1234 said:
Still curious to just how big the Rhoden grow op really was !!!
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Just catching up, but it seems I read it was estimated at $500,000. Half a mil? Is that right? More than I expected, but perhaps in the scheme of things not that much?

I have to admit after reading everyone's theories and links regarding hired hits, I am definitely leaning that way too now. It makes sense. Several motives for wanting the R's dead, and so many of them, just hire someone. Muddies the waters even more.
 
JGB said:
I found strength and hope for myself, as I too suffered from the effects of anothers addiction , in Al-Anon. Just saying...
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O/T
Thank you for the suggestion JGB. Much appreciated. :)
 
Bootsctr said:
Just catching up, but it seems I read it was estimated at $500,000. Half a mil? Is that right? More than I expected, but perhaps in the scheme of things not that much?

I have to admit after reading everyone's theories and links regarding hired hits, I am definitely leaning that way too now. It makes sense. Several motives for wanting the R's dead, and so many of them, just hire someone. Muddies the waters even more.
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I don't recall any dollar figure given for any pot operation the Rhodens had. The only thing I remember being mentioned was a flat of plants in KR's garage and no value given for them. Not even a leaf from a plant was ever shown...
 
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