OH - Shawn Michael GRATE: 3 bodies found, Ashland/Madison, Sept 2016

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  1. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    Gardener, maybe they show him the pics between the two phases of the trial and take the death penalty off the table for cooperation? It's an interesting issue....
     


  2. j_in_c

    j_in_c Well-Known Member

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    I am on the fence about if he is lying or not. As I recall, he confessed to this crime and he was not suspected of it at all? But on the other hand, we are dealing with someone who has committed several atrocious murders.

    I wish I knew what other databases to research in case his hint about her name beginning with a "D" was accurate. I was really thinking she would be ID'ed by the time he came to trial :(
     
  3. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Hmmm... I suppose that is a possible strategy. I personally hope they don't have to do that and that she gets ID'd before the trial ends. It would be faster to find DNA for any missing women who don't have it available on their profiles and compare them to Vicky. Or have DNA Doe Project run her DNA. JMO.
     
  4. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    This is so interesting to read. A woman who knew two of the victims and said she gets upset every time she talks about it was dismissed. Many were dismissed for work or school reasons and one self-described "anarchist" was dismissed-- that one really gave me a laugh. Who knew it was so easy to get out of jury duty? Just say you are biased against the government! In all seriousness, I really hope they have a full jury by the end of tomorrow.
     
  6. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    I have NEVER seen such difficulty in seating a jury. Thus is a very poor community. All farmers and college students. Very conservative.....call it like they see it.
     
  7. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    A quote from the first article:
    Ummmm... Good call judge.
     
  9. Gardener1850

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    From the 2nd article it sounds like they found 3 jurors-- 2 men who were unsure of the definition of a capital murder case and a woman who said her son plays football with Grate's son and she had discussed the case previously with her family and thought Grate was guilty but she said she would follow the law-- I'm surprised the Judge kept her in (she also said her husband has cancer and other jurors were excused for having serious illnesses in the family).
     
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    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    Full opening statements are on you tube. Defense waived openings.
     
  13. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    Bringing over some quotes:

     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-lorain/shawn-grate-trial-opening-statements?page=2
     
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    not sure this is a trial I can follow but a HUGE thank you to those who are keeping this thread moving with trial highlights, updates, etc. So important to have a safe space in a case like this here IMO.
     
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    Video at that link has audio recording of some of her testimony. This part is new info (I believe):
     
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    I am just now becoming acquainted with the case and listening to openings and some testimony. I am beyond grossed out. And that ain't no easy feat, friends...
     

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