OR - 6 women found dead near Portland, most in secluded, wooded area, Feb 19 - May 8, 2023 *POI of 4*

How would perp know that. ?

Well, I first got to this thread yesterday, or the day before, and either here, or on other regular SM, it has been mentioned. Now, Colorado has been connected to so many crimes, even some odd stories (car in Oregon, owner in CO), I instantly pay attention to anything coloradan, as opposed to, say, OH or SC. However, I suspect that anyone local probably is aware of the barn's ownership. So if the perp knew about the locality, he must have known about the barn.
 
Assuming they are the work of the same killer, it could be these 6 are not the only ones. This could be why the dump sites seem to have not much effort put into concealment because the killer is confident they are uncatchable.

And why so?
Probably, doesn't stand out at all and doesn't have any direct connection to these women. Neither a pimp nor a local drug dealer. Not a constant fixture. Someone who can easily approach women and doesn't look weird. Social care worker? Someone from a shelter? Or, a person who travels via Portland but doesn't constantly live there.

Is JS the only one with children?
I was a sworker for years so thinking it "couldn't happen to me" like you're saying doesn't apply to me, it could very easily happen to me. But I'm glad you mentioned that and explained it. That's true. Poses tend to move from sworkers and the houseless to non sworkers and non houseless gals, or go back and forth. Also, I wasn't the one who brought up sworkers, someone else did, then someone else asked why and I mentioned why they might have. Someone on fb seemed to know some of the girls and said one of them was a sworker - but that's just gossip. Who knows. Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless, doesnt make any of us safer and the families deserve justice and this needs to get off the streets and behind bars.

Can I ask you a couple of questions?
The thing I remember from Anne Rule's book about GRK. Part of the problem with sworkers, she wrote, was that they would disappear for a long time, and no one noticed. It allowed GRK to prey in the same area over 20 years. Do you know if things have changed recently, given the cellphones? Is there a habit to "look after one's friend"? What kind of safety net exists, if any?
Another question. The girls on the streets, do they tend to be religious, go to local churches, AA or NA groups?
(The guy might have not been known to them individually, but they could have frequented the same place). Maybe even NAMI as one had diagnosed mental illness, perhaps, more needed help?
Something tells me that if the person is so bold, he is not viewed by anyone as "bad news".
 
And why so?
Probably, doesn't stand out at all and doesn't have any direct connection to these women. Neither a pimp nor a local drug dealer. Not a constant fixture. Someone who can easily approach women and doesn't look weird. Social care worker? Someone from a shelter? Or, a person who travels via Portland but doesn't constantly live there.

Is JS the only one with children?


Can I ask you a couple of questions?
The thing I remember from Anne Rule's book about GRK. Part of the problem with sworkers, she wrote, was that they would disappear for a long time, and no one noticed. It allowed GRK to prey in the same area over 20 years. Do you know if things have changed recently, given the cellphones? Is there a habit to "look after one's friend"? What kind of safety net exists, if any?
Another question. The girls on the streets, do they tend to be religious, go to local churches, AA or NA groups?
(The guy might have not been known to them individually, but they could have frequented the same place). Maybe even NAMI as one had diagnosed mental illness, perhaps, more needed help?
Something tells me that if the person is so bold, he is not viewed by anyone as "bad news".
Hi! I should read her book. They may have changed a little, but if a girl is using drugs, having mental health struggles, has a p Imp, is struggling financially or is traveling then she may not use a phone. Or her phone may not work half the time or be lost. Also, her family usually doesn't know she's a sworker. There's no habit to look after one's friend, unless you're working a job together or worried and reach out to someone (unless the girls works at a good stripclub). However, girls do warn each other about clients. I was more into stuff like dancing, clubs and sugaring; I never walked the streets, did car dates or used sites like tn a or back page so I'm only speaking from my experience and what I've seen (ive also been lookin at that site to see if any of the girls were on there but its difficult to tell) . I have known girls who walked the streets (2 girls i grew up with), but they either weren't addicts or they were actively using so I don't think they went to na or aa but who knows, I guess I do know girls who were trying to get clean but one arranged rehab. Trying to get or stay clean doing that line of work is like being an alcoholic and going to the bar, you're offered drugs all the time . I did a private party a couple times and was offered to do others with other girls. But working by yourself, you're on your own. We have websites and word of mouth we use to warn each other of certain people. The cops are not the safety net (sometimes they're the clients or predators. And/Or we risk arrest on the contrary). That's why so many girls go to pi mps. Or just bring along a guy for security or have weapons. I remember a few girls being pimped over the years, everyone knew it, bartenders, managers, girls, dj, but noone said or did anything. If we did, the girl would deny deny and not leave him. I don't imagine girls working the street go to church every Sunday for worship, no. They might go to churches for resources such as clothing, food, diapers, etc. Sworkers don't exactly feel welcomed at churches and most churches don't have evening services that fit into our schedules. Aa or na, I'm not sure. I have known Dancers go to work with ankle bracelets from their p.o.s so I imagine sometimes na and aa is court ordered. And I imagine maybe others attend it not court ordered, thats kind of 1 of those topics thats never discussed (just like our real names are not even usually known to each other, i have worked with girls for 5 years and we didnt know each others names). Oh, and there's non profits that help publish our reports, etc. And sometimes free self defense classes for us. Whoever did this could've been a trusted figure absolutely. Let me also say sometimes cops will sleep with girls as customers, then basically force her to keep sleeping him to prevent arrest. Or, they'll arrest her for not sleeping with him or for not continuing to etc. There have been lawsuits won over it, look up the minor in California, she was sexually assaulted by like the entire department as a minor "escort" (ie trafficking survivor). Now, I'm not saying a cop did this. Just saying as an example of a trusted figure situation, it does happen and thats a good thought. That's one reason I never streetwalked, did car dates, or used websites. Oh, and predators seek us out to an extreme.
 
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Well, I first got to this thread yesterday, or the day before, and either here, or on other regular SM, it has been mentioned. Now, Colorado has been connected to so many crimes, even some odd stories (car in Oregon, owner in CO), I instantly pay attention to anything coloradan, as opposed to, say, OH or SC. However, I suspect that anyone local probably is aware of the barn's ownership. So if the perp knew about the locality, he must have known about the barn.
I don't think people in vancouver or Portland would know about the barn ownership. I know someone who lives in Ridgefield, i guarantee he has no clue who owns that barn as he is from texas and just moved here a few years ago, i think he lives on the other side of the freeway but idk where. Maybe some locals do who live close by around the barn and have lived there a while. There's a lot of new houses built and newcomers, though. I faintly remember there being a for sale sign in a video about Joanna Speaks next door to the barn? I wonder if there's a for sale sign out front or anything and what that for sale sign says. I don't think whoever did these lives near Ainsworth state park or that barn. I think he probably lives in Portland metro somewhere, probably portland gresham/fairview milwaukie or clackamas. I really pray there is an arrest soon.
 
RE: Property Ownership...property ownership databases, usually maintained by a county assessor, are often on the internet for anybody to access. All you need is the address. And if a person doesn't have a computer, internet, or smartphone, most public libraries (in the PNW, anyway) have free, anonymous internet access for anyone who wants to use it.
 
And why so?
Probably, doesn't stand out at all and doesn't have any direct connection to these women. Neither a pimp nor a local drug dealer. Not a constant fixture. Someone who can easily approach women and doesn't look weird. Social care worker? Someone from a shelter? Or, a person who travels via Portland but doesn't constantly live there.

Is JS the only one with children?


Can I ask you a couple of questions?
The thing I remember from Anne Rule's book about GRK. Part of the problem with sworkers, she wrote, was that they would disappear for a long time, and no one noticed. It allowed GRK to prey in the same area over 20 years. Do you know if things have changed recently, given the cellphones? Is there a habit to "look after one's friend"? What kind of safety net exists, if any?
Another question. The girls on the streets, do they tend to be religious, go to local churches, AA or NA groups?
(The guy might have not been known to them individually, but they could have frequented the same place). Maybe even NAMI as one had diagnosed mental illness, perhaps, more needed help?
Something tells me that if the person is so bold, he is not viewed by anyone as "bad news".
Why so what? I think you are right that it could be a shelter worker, someone that drives through regularly but doesn't live there, a AA/NA or another non-assuming type person.
 
I was a sworker for years so thinking it "couldn't happen to me" like you're saying doesn't apply to me, it could very easily happen to me. But I'm glad you mentioned that and explained it. That's true. Poses tend to move from sworkers and the houseless to non sworkers and non houseless gals, or go back and forth. Also, I wasn't the one who brought up sworkers, someone else did, then someone else asked why and I mentioned why they might have. Someone on fb seemed to know some of the girls and said one of them was a sworker - but that's just gossip. Who knows. Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless, doesnt make any of us safer and the families deserve justice and this needs to get off the streets and behind bars.
My comment was not intended to be pointed at you, I was using the context of your comment to explain a different perspective because people jump to sworker as a conclusion when, yes that is common but it isnt always the case.

I attached a link to a case that happened in the area just at the end of last year/January of this year and while the suspect died prior to the disappearance of these women and he likely isn't related to these cases someone in the area could have seen his case, saw that he was "successful" (for lack of a better term) in finding victims through dating apps and used the same method. Maybe they knew each other? Twisted people love to commiserate. Regardless, I felt it was relevant and wanted to bring it up. MOO
 
I don't think people in vancouver or Portland would know about the barn ownership. I know someone who lives in Ridgefield, i guarantee he has no clue who owns that barn as he is from texas and just moved here a few years ago, i think he lives on the other side of the freeway but idk where. Maybe some locals do who live close by around the barn and have lived there a while. There's a lot of new houses built and newcomers, though. I faintly remember there being a for sale sign in a video about Joanna Speaks next door to the barn? I wonder if there's a for sale sign out front or anything and what that for sale sign says. I don't think whoever did these lives near Ainsworth state park or that barn. I think he probably lives in Portland metro somewhere, probably portland gresham/fairview milwaukie or clackamas. I really pray there is an arrest soon.

Thank you! I was not thinking about religion per se, I was thinking, someone known to the sworkers from the “good side”. A cop is as high on my list as everyone else, but way much higher would be someone who would generate trust. (An example: Anne Rule mentioned that sometimes, GRK would take his 6-year-old son when prowling, this would make women less fearful to get into his car). I remember two situations from my life on the East Coast, eons ago. One was when some hospital worker, either a young employee or a chief resident, spoke about a casino at the state border, he’d drive there and talk to exotic dancers. Today, it would raise suspicion (you aren’t a therapist, you don’t gamble, what’s the use to drive for two hours to “talk” to girls). He called it an odd hobby, and spoke about it excitedly, for a long time, and it was strange, if he was telling the truth. I soon moved and forgot it. Another guy was the chief of a security department in a big corporation downtown, who once gave me a lift, because the garage at my work was outside, and it was late. On our way, he showed me local streetwalkers, and he knew surprisingly much about them; the interesting part was the artery we were driving by was the divider between the “good city” and the combat zone, so he only had to cross the street...
So I am always thinking, someone like this, either a person known for an odd hobby but otherwise, decent and a professional, or a security guy, or someone from a downtown IT company, someone known to have a young kid, or maybe even feeding the homeless, the helper. Of course, sworkers would not discuss their drug dealers, either, but for that group, like for pimps, sworkers are the source of income. I dislike both groups, but unless this person is a total nutter, he won't kill the source of his income.
I understand about the problem of getting clean for an sworker; after all, the clients come to have good time, too. And I would suspect that if for opiates, there is injectable Suboxone (Sublocade), that is significant harm reduction, then, for meth and cocaine, there is nothing. No one has studied treatment for PTSD that well, either.

One thing is important. The relatives of the victims made a group trying to raise the awareness of the problem in general. One of the women was a young mom and left three kids. It is something we can't brush off. I can see how important the cellphone is.

Maybe next step should be a free phone exchange? We all have used phones and we all buy the newer ones. Me, constantly. Maybe creating a free phone exchange for sworkers would contribute into their safety on the streets?
 
Hi! I should read her book. They may have changed a little, but if a girl is using drugs, having mental health struggles, has a p Imp, is struggling financially or is traveling then she may not use a phone. Or her phone may not work half the time or be lost. Also, her family usually doesn't know she's a sworker. There's no habit to look after one's friend, unless you're working a job together or worried and reach out to someone (unless the girls works at a good stripclub). However, girls do warn each other about clients. I was more into stuff like dancing, clubs and sugaring; I never walked the streets, did car dates or used sites like tn a or back page so I'm only speaking from my experience and what I've seen (ive also been lookin at that site to see if any of the girls were on there but its difficult to tell) . I have known girls who walked the streets (2 girls i grew up with), but they either weren't addicts or they were actively using so I don't think they went to na or aa but who knows, I guess I do know girls who were trying to get clean but one arranged rehab. Trying to get or stay clean doing that line of work is like being an alcoholic and going to the bar, you're offered drugs all the time . I did a private party a couple times and was offered to do others with other girls. But working by yourself, you're on your own. We have websites and word of mouth we use to warn each other of certain people. The cops are not the safety net (sometimes they're the clients or predators. And/Or we risk arrest on the contrary). That's why so many girls go to pi mps. Or just bring along a guy for security or have weapons. I remember a few girls being pimped over the years, everyone knew it, bartenders, managers, girls, dj, but noone said or did anything. If we did, the girl would deny deny and not leave him. I don't imagine girls working the street go to church every Sunday for worship, no. They might go to churches for resources such as clothing, food, diapers, etc. Sworkers don't exactly feel welcomed at churches and most churches don't have evening services that fit into our schedules. Aa or na, I'm not sure. I have known Dancers go to work with ankle bracelets from their p.o.s so I imagine sometimes na and aa is court ordered. And I imagine maybe others attend it not court ordered, thats kind of 1 of those topics thats never discussed (just like our real names are not even usually known to each other, i have worked with girls for 5 years and we didnt know each others names). Oh, and there's non profits that help publish our reports, etc. And sometimes free self defense classes for us. Whoever did this could've been a trusted figure absolutely. Let me also say sometimes cops will sleep with girls as customers, then basically force her to keep sleeping him to prevent arrest. Or, they'll arrest her for not sleeping with him or for not continuing to etc. There have been lawsuits won over it, look up the minor in California, she was sexually assaulted by like the entire department as a minor "escort" (ie trafficking survivor). Now, I'm not saying a cop did this. Just saying as an example of a trusted figure situation, it does happen and thats a good thought. That's one reason I never streetwalked, did car dates, or used websites. Oh, and predators seek us out to an extreme.
celeste guap was her name for reference
 
Thank you! I was not thinking about religion per se, I was thinking, someone known to the sworkers from the “good side”. A cop is as high on my list as everyone else, but way much higher would be someone who would generate trust. (An example: Anne Rule mentioned that sometimes, GRK would take his 6-year-old son when prowling, this would make women less fearful to get into his car). I remember two situations from my life on the East Coast, eons ago. One was when some hospital worker, either a young employee or a chief resident, spoke about a casino at the state border, he’d drive there and talk to exotic dancers. Today, it would raise suspicion (you aren’t a therapist, you don’t gamble, what’s the use to drive for two hours to “talk” to girls). He called it an odd hobby, and spoke about it excitedly, for a long time, and it was strange, if he was telling the truth. I soon moved and forgot it. Another guy was the chief of a security department in a big corporation downtown, who once gave me a lift, because the garage at my work was outside, and it was late. On our way, he showed me local streetwalkers, and he knew surprisingly much about them; the interesting part was the artery we were driving by was the divider between the “good city” and the combat zone, so he only had to cross the street...
So I am always thinking, someone like this, either a person known for an odd hobby but otherwise, decent and a professional, or a security guy, or someone from a downtown IT company, someone known to have a young kid, or maybe even feeding the homeless, the helper. Of course, sworkers would not discuss their drug dealers, either, but for that group, like for pimps, sworkers are the source of income. I dislike both groups, but unless this person is a total nutter, he won't kill the source of his income.
I understand about the problem of getting clean for an sworker; after all, the clients come to have good time, too. And I would suspect that if for opiates, there is injectable Suboxone (Sublocade), that is significant harm reduction, then, for meth and cocaine, there is nothing. No one has studied treatment for PTSD that well, either.

One thing is important. The relatives of the victims made a group trying to raise the awareness of the problem in general. One of the women was a young mom and left three kids. It is something we can't brush off. I can see how important the cellphone is.

Maybe next step should be a free phone exchange? We all have used phones and we all buy the newer ones. Me, constantly. Maybe creating a free phone exchange for sworkers would contribute into their safety on the streets?
Exotic dancers don't work at casinos so that doesn't sound right to me. Both those guys may have visited sworkers for their services, would be my suspicion. Dealers and pi mps would kill a sworker if the sworker shorted him or wanted to get out of swork/off drugs, maybe. Pi mps abuse their girls often as well, and I think they often accidentally within that abuse or intentionally end the girls life, their anger gets to them. Drug dealers also sometimes purposefully put fentanyl in the drugs people buy because it brings them more customers (the other addicts ask where to get the "good/strong stuff"). You are ABSOLUTELY right about the free phone exchange. Also if we could somehow manage giving out self defense um legal weapo ns. I once worked with a girl who didn't have a phone and had to use the club phone to call and check in with her pi mp every like 30 to 45 minutes. She got fired during that shift. That was awful to witness, the entire thing. I also know there's a housing place in Portland to help girls get out, but there's probably a bigger need than resources.
 
Thank you! I was not thinking about religion per se, I was thinking, someone known to the sworkers from the “good side”. A cop is as high on my list as everyone else, but way much higher would be someone who would generate trust. (An example: Anne Rule mentioned that sometimes, GRK would take his 6-year-old son when prowling, this would make women less fearful to get into his car). I remember two situations from my life on the East Coast, eons ago. One was when some hospital worker, either a young employee or a chief resident, spoke about a casino at the state border, he’d drive there and talk to exotic dancers. Today, it would raise suspicion (you aren’t a therapist, you don’t gamble, what’s the use to drive for two hours to “talk” to girls). He called it an odd hobby, and spoke about it excitedly, for a long time, and it was strange, if he was telling the truth. I soon moved and forgot it. Another guy was the chief of a security department in a big corporation downtown, who once gave me a lift, because the garage at my work was outside, and it was late. On our way, he showed me local streetwalkers, and he knew surprisingly much about them; the interesting part was the artery we were driving by was the divider between the “good city” and the combat zone, so he only had to cross the street...
So I am always thinking, someone like this, either a person known for an odd hobby but otherwise, decent and a professional, or a security guy, or someone from a downtown IT company, someone known to have a young kid, or maybe even feeding the homeless, the helper. Of course, sworkers would not discuss their drug dealers, either, but for that group, like for pimps, sworkers are the source of income. I dislike both groups, but unless this person is a total nutter, he won't kill the source of his income.
I understand about the problem of getting clean for an sworker; after all, the clients come to have good time, too. And I would suspect that if for opiates, there is injectable Suboxone (Sublocade), that is significant harm reduction, then, for meth and cocaine, there is nothing. No one has studied treatment for PTSD that well, either.

One thing is important. The relatives of the victims made a group trying to raise the awareness of the problem in general. One of the women was a young mom and left three kids. It is something we can't brush off. I can see how important the cellphone is.

Maybe next step should be a free phone exchange? We all have used phones and we all buy the newer ones. Me, constantly. Maybe creating a free phone exchange for sworkers would contribute into their safety on the streets?
They don't see the women as their money, their rage consumes them. They see them as property, an object, like a couch. You break or destroy a couch, you get another one. It's a disgusting way to look at human beings. The world is pretty dark....
 
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They don't see the women as their money, their rage consumes them. They see them as property, an object, like a couch. You break or destroy a couch, you get another one. It's a disgusting way to look at human beings. The world is pretty dark....
Thank you.
This part I never knew about.
 
I’ve been looking at the geography in a little different way this morning.

I’ve previously had this notion that the epicenter of the dump sites—the center of the circle—is in Milwaukie.

In the strictest sense, that isn’t true, but I rationalized it because a.) that area is also central to most of the women’s known activity, and b.) with that point in the center, the circle passes directly through downtown Salem, so it made sense that BW would be slightly outside of it.

But the true center of the circle is right around where 5 and 205 intersect in Tualatin. And what I learned that might make that relevant is Tualatin is actually in Washington county, not Clackamas as I thought.

In other words, the actual center of the dump sites falls, just barely, in the one county in the metro area without any known bodies. So I now think it’s conceivable that the killer lives in that area, and is someone who is acutely aware of jurisdictional issues.

For visual reference, the area I’m talking about is just north of the 5 symbol on this map.
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JUN 13

Whether or not Portland and its surrounding communities have a serial killer, the sheer number of missing-persons cases in the area should be a cause for concern, according to a veteran cold-case investigator.

Police in a statement last week downplayed concerns of a serial killer after the bodies of six women were discovered in and around the city in a five-month span.

Roughly half of the 140 people missing from Multnomah County in Oregon so far this year, which includes the city of Portland, are women and girls, according to the state’s online database. There are currently 401 active missing-persons cases statewide.

More at Portland serial killer fears: Dozens of missing women, girls raise ‘red flag,’ cold-case expert says
 
JUN 13

Whether or not Portland and its surrounding communities have a serial killer, the sheer number of missing-persons cases in the area should be a cause for concern, according to a veteran cold-case investigator.

Police in a statement last week downplayed concerns of a serial killer after the bodies of six women were discovered in and around the city in a five-month span.

Roughly half of the 140 people missing from Multnomah County in Oregon so far this year, which includes the city of Portland, are women and girls, according to the state’s online database. There are currently 401 active missing-persons cases statewide.

More at Portland serial killer fears: Dozens of missing women, girls raise ‘red flag,’ cold-case expert says
Some new info in there related to CP.

Apparently when she was last seen, she overdosed downtown and was hospitalized… I wonder what hospital she was taken to, and what the exact date was (though it does sound like this was the same “beginning of march” date we were aware of).

And, she most likely died in April, which is quite a ways off from when she was last seen and much later than I had thought.

I’ve been trying to nail down the order in which the women most likely died, rather than when they were last seen or found, and right now it looks to me like:

KS
JS
AR
CP
BW

And it also, to me, seems likely that JS, AR, CP and possibly BW were all killed in VERY rapid succession—probably within three weeks, and potentially within half that.

If that turns out to be true, I think that makes it more likely that AR is connected and less likely that KS is (both of which I’ve gone back and forth on up to this point).
 
Some new info in there related to CP.

Apparently when she was last seen, she overdosed downtown and was hospitalized… I wonder what hospital she was taken to, and what the exact date was (though it does sound like this was the same “beginning of march” date we were aware of).

And, she most likely died in April, which is quite a ways off from when she was last seen and much later than I had thought.

I’ve been trying to nail down the order in which the women most likely died, rather than when they were last seen or found, and right now it looks to me like:

KS
JS
AR
CP
BW

And it also, to me, seems likely that JS, AR, CP and possibly BW were all killed in VERY rapid succession—probably within three weeks, and potentially within half that.

If that turns out to be true, I think that makes it more likely that AR is connected and less likely that KS is (both of which I’ve gone back and forth on up to this point).
One of the women had chronic mental illness. (CP). With probably multiple hospitalizations. I wonder what hospital it was, and maybe it had dual diagnosis unit (some girls might have tried to get clean). Some cross-link there?
Or any ER of a major downtown hospital?
 
JUN 13

Whether or not Portland and its surrounding communities have a serial killer, the sheer number of missing-persons cases in the area should be a cause for concern, according to a veteran cold-case investigator.

Police in a statement last week downplayed concerns of a serial killer after the bodies of six women were discovered in and around the city in a five-month span.

Roughly half of the 140 people missing from Multnomah County in Oregon so far this year, which includes the city of Portland, are women and girls, according to the state’s online database. There are currently 401 active missing-persons cases statewide.

More at Portland serial killer fears: Dozens of missing women, girls raise ‘red flag,’ cold-case expert says

Here is the statistics of missing people per state.


While the general numbers reflect the population, there are subsection. According to one of them, the rate of missing people in OR is strikingly high. When some indices are out of proportion to the state population, it is reasonable to ask what additional factors could be involved. If a higher than usual statistics in neonatal mortality in a NICU made people look into human factor (Lucy Letby's case) I can't see why the same principle is not applicable to the state with strikingly high rate of disappearance.
 
One of the women had chronic mental illness. (CP). With probably multiple hospitalizations. I wonder what hospital it was, and maybe it had dual diagnosis unit (some girls might have tried to get clean). Some cross-link there?
Or any ER of a major downtown hospital?
There are three hospitals in/close to downtown. OHSU (the city on the hill), Good Sam, and Emanuel. Good Sam is closest to the 4th and Washington site, but it’s very small. I would imagine if she was downtown they would have taken her to Emanuel. Emanuel is pretty much right across the river, is larger and and has a trauma center.

Moo
 
One of the women had chronic mental illness. (CP). With probably multiple hospitalizations. I wonder what hospital it was, and maybe it had dual diagnosis unit (some girls might have tried to get clean). Some cross-link there?
Or any ER of a major downtown hospital?
What's a dual diagnosis unit?
 

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