OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #3

[Donjeta]

The OPB radio show: http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...f-occupation-malheur-41-days-opb-documentary/

 

[La Louve]

The Oregon House has passed a bill to protect the identity of the officer who fatally shot refuge standoff spokesman Robert “LaVoy” Finicum in January.

The Oregonian reports representatives voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to approve allowing a judge to bar for 90 days the disclosure of the name of an officer who uses deadly force. The bill heads to the Senate for consideration.

http://koin.com/2016/02/17/house-votes-to-shield-id-of-cop-who-shot-lavoy-finicum/

 

[La Louve]

Occupiers reportedly set up their outdoor camping area on or adjacent to sensitive cultural sites, federal prosecutors said. They are accused of excavating 2 large trenches and an improvised road on grounds containing sensitive artifacts.

http://koin.com/2016/02/16/trench-of-human-feces-found-near-malheur-artifacts/

ullhair:

 

[KaaBoom]

Some against the bill say it could protect officers from public scrutiny.http://koin.com/2016/02/17/house-votes-to-shield-id-of-cop-who-shot-lavoy-finicum/

A really bad idea.

 

[La Louve]

A really bad idea.

I agree, personally. It seems overreaching to me. I don't understand why this particular officer's identity couldn't be protected by court order or executive order of the Governor. JMO

Here's another article that discusses the politics of the proposed bill in a bit more detail. http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/..._votes_to_shield_i.html#incart_river_home_pop

 

[Peliman]

A woman charged with conspiracy in the takeover of an Oregon wildlife refuge last month has filed a rambling counter-complaint in which she accuses the federal government of working for the devil and demands $666,666,666,666.66 in damages.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKCN0VR04L?utm_source=twitter

 

[bluesneakers]

I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure she doesn’t have much “formal” education.

OK I see "Territory" in Article. IV. Section. 3., but that doesn’t seem like a part of the Constitution that these people would pay much mind to. It clearly says that "The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States”. That doesn’t sound like something they would believe in, and I don’t see how that relates to the "Northwest Territories" that she talks about.

They read "Power to dispose of" as no power to own, manage, or buy back from citizens. They can only get rid of it, not keep it.

This is one of the arguments Sean kept bringing up - how could they kick them off land the government is illegally forbidden from owning? Then he would rattle off "Article IV, Section 3!"

In some of their readings they'll add "Note the Capital T for Territory" and I'm not sure what the sneaky government is up to with that. Maybe they think Territory = State.

Who owns Samoa?

 

[Donjeta]

Tribal leaders were outraged last month when militia leaders posted a video of themselves rifling through some of the stored artifacts. The protesters also paved a new road at the wildlife sanctuary.

“It is pretty disrespectful, but what can you expect from people like that?” Kennedy said. “They’re out there trampling on our burial grounds, making roads and digging bunkers … It is pretty well trashed.”

In addition to the trenches and piles of feces, FBI officials have discovered large amounts of rotten food in one of the living quarters at the refuge, prosecutors said. Investigators have further uncovered guns, explosives and numerous vehicles that the FBI fears may be booby trapped.

I thought Cheetos and gummy dicks have enough preservatives in them that they don't rot.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ues-for-666-billion-citing-works-of-the-devil

Shawna Cox, one of the last militants to be arrested for occupying an Oregon wildlife refuge last month, has filed a countersuit against the U.S. government and others in which she alleges "damages from the works of the devil in excess of 666,666,666,666.66."

While she invoked the number of the beast in her request for damages, Cox listed a wide array of people she plans to subpoena, including: ranchers in the western U.S.; judges and prosecutors; Oregon's current and former governor; local and state police officers; FBI agents; and "various law professors."

Cox said she plans to ask a jury to deliver civil and criminal penalties against many of those same people, who she says have worked to subvert the constitutional government and impose "socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America."

The comments are wondering why she stopped at billions and someone suggests she probably didn't know what's bigger than billion.[video=twitter;700372878617739264]https://twitter.com/SwidSeor/status/700372878617739264[/video]

 

[Donjeta]

[video=youtube;uwzqwfsAOXg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzqwfsAOXg[/video]
Michele Fiore in 2014

 

[i.b.nora]

JJ MacNab has a link to this Department of Justice news:

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/orego...elated-filing-false-retaliatory-liens-against

Thursday, February 18, 2016
Oregon Husband and Wife Plead Guilty to Crimes Related to Filing False Retaliatory Liens Against Federal Judges and Other Federal Officials

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“An Oregon husband and wife pleaded guilty today to crimes related to filing false retaliatory liens against two federal judges, a clerk of court and a federal prosecutor for performing their official duties, announced Acting Assistant Attorney General Caroline D. Ciraolo of the Justice Department’s Tax Division.

Ronald D. Joling, 72, formerly of Coquille, Oregon, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to file false retaliatory liens against government officials. His wife, Dorothea J. Joling, 73, also formerly of Coquille, pleaded guilty to one count of filing a false retaliatory lien. In October 2014, the Jolings were convicted on various criminal charges related to their federal income taxes. As part of their guilty pleas today, the Jolings admitted that while they were on pretrial release in the criminal tax case they filed false retaliatory liens claiming that multiple federal officials each owed the Jolings $100.003 million.”​

More. . .

Sovereign Citizen stuff. JJ points out the tactic of filing the liens in a different state.

 

[i.b.nora]

Kyle Iboshi KGWTV recent Ammon statement released through attorney regarding sacred indian stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/KyleIboshiKGWTV/videos/996409773773007/

 

[i.b.nora]

State police board seeks investigation of Grant County sheriff who met militants
By Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on February 18, 2016 at 11:00 AM, updated February 18, 2016 at 11:55 AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...olice_board_seeks_inves.html#incart_big-photo

“The state agency that licenses Oregon police officers has asked the state Justice Department to investigate Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer, who met with leaders of the armed occupation of the wildlife refuge and then was scheduled to speak at a community meeting featuring the occupiers.

The state Department of Public Safety Standards and Training recently recommended that the Justice Department investigate after it received several citizen complaints about Palmer's conduct in recent weeks.

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The licensing agency can take a range of action against Palmer's police certification, up to revocation, if it finds he violated rules or law governing police conduct. The agency, however, has no authority to remove Palmer from office since he is an elected official. Only a recall election can remove him.”​

More . . .

 

[Dr. Know?]

[video=twitter;700409741919453184]https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/700409741919453184[/video]

 

[Donjeta]

Kyle Iboshi KGWTV recent Ammon statement released through attorney regarding sacred indian stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/KyleIboshiKGWTV/videos/996409773773007/

He doesn't know anything about defecating on sacred indian stuff?

“That whole area is an artifact area,” Jarvis Kennedy, Burns Paiute tribal council member told ICTMN, “If you just walk across there you’ll see chips on the ground where someone made an arrowhead. It’s everywhere.”

When asked what he thought of the latrines Kennedy said, “Just see this…this is their mindset—not really caring about anything. For them to do that in that area is so disgusting.”

He doesn’t think the militants weren’t simply clueless either, “I think they didn’t care. We did our press conference. We took our stand. They knew.”

The article also states that Paiute spokespeople have received threats from militia supporters. Way to show your respect...

However, she has received threatening letters, emails and texts from Bundy supporters which she immediately forwards to the FBI. “If it has a Colorado prefix,” Roderique says, “ I can be sure it’s one of the militia people here on their cell phone.”

Although, no one in the tribe is happy with the late militant spokesman LaVoy Finicum’s death after he ran a police blockade and charged police while armed they do wonder if it is tied to his handling of their artifacts in the Youtube video he put out criticizing the way the tribe’s artifacts were stored.

“He [Finicum} had the bag of flints he was waving them and the next day he is dead,” Roderique told ICTMN. “He should never have picked those up and disturbed those spirits who made them. If it is flint arrowheads, someone who was a warrior or was a good hunter—those are the kind who can come back and do these things.”

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...atrine-trenches-among-sacred-artifacts-163454


Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...atrine-trenches-among-sacred-artifacts-163454

 

[i.b.nora]

Not arrested yet, but might be soon, Jerry Delemus of New Hampshire.

This January Daily Beast article:

WINGNUTS
‘Veteran For Trump’ Wants To Join Oregon Militia
GIDEON RESNICK01.07.169:07 AM ET

The candidate says the armed occupiers should quit, but a campaign co-chair in New Hampshire has gone to Oregon to join them.

“A co-chairman of Donald Trump's campaign said he has traveled to Burns, Oregon and wants to visit the militia currently occupying a federal building.

Jerry DeLemus is one of the "Veterans for Trump" in New Hampshire, but he wrote on Facebook that he has made it to Oregon where Ammon Bundy and other men are occuping a federal wildlife refuge.

"My first concern is to talk to the Bundys and see if I can get them and others home safely," he wrote, adding that he brought a videographer with him to document the journey.”

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“The 61-year-old with a white, close-cropped goatee, often pictured in various forms of militaristic camo gear, went on a 41-hour road trip to Nevada in 2014 to support the efforts of Ammon's father, Cliven, and ranchers in his standoff with the federal government.

DeLemus, who did not respond to a request for comment for this article, has a history of promoting militia action. In 2013 he tried to turn the Rochester, New Hampshire, wing of Glenn Beck’s 9-12 Group into a militia, at that time, to fight against the possibility of another financial collapse.”​

Good article.

 

[i.b.nora]

This JJ MacNab retweet caused me to look up Delemus

https://mobile.twitter.com/HGTomato/status/700385105127145473/photo/1

 

[Donjeta]

[video=youtube;JGJVa3aJoSo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJVa3aJoSo[/video]

 

[LinasK]

[video=twitter;700150902317953024]https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/700150902317953024[/video]

And once and for all, there is no double jeopardy sending the Hammond's back to prison. They had to know the moment they were sentenced. There's a score sheet, there's a review of sentencing deviations by the judge. There was a min/max. FGS it's not a conspiracy. It's not something weird. It does happen & by laws created to do so. jmo They go about stuff all wrong and uninformed...

And don't you love the illiteracy- "absolutely discussed" with the government in Utah??

 

[human]

What is Delemus a veteran of? If he was in the Service, what did he do?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

And don't you love the illiteracy- "absolutely discussed"??

With holding evidence. :thinking: