Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #62 ~ the appeal~

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  1. lithgow1

    lithgow1 New Member

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    I would not say I am a Reeva supporter. I didn`t know her, I just find her death so needless. Like you I want to see justice done and in this case i do not think that was the result. Even if it was CH, it is still a slap on the wrist type sentence IMO.

    I probably shouldn`t call you a Pistorius supporter and wouldn`t except that you and the other two always excuse or justify his actions. We have been through this before, but every topic that comes up related to his actions before, during and after the trial is somehow justified or explained away. Perhaps it is a reaction to the overwhelming belief on this forum that he is a murderer, but even so, it just makes you look like an apologist for everything he said and did.

    The cricket bat story emerged very early and was quickly quashed. CNN however continued with their `poor Oscar` tone through the whole thing. Did you see any of their coverage and if so, what did you think of it in general and Kelly Phelps in particular?

    Finally, you talk of all the anti Pistorius talk on social media. What about some of the vile things said by the Pistorians about Reeva Steenkamp, with their attitude of if it hadn`t been for that woman our boy wouldn't be in this trouble. That was more disgusting than any rumours of nightclub altercations or new girlfriends IMO.
     
  2. aftermath

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    I have heard that awful things were said about her, but never really looked into what the Pistorians were saying or doing to be honest. If they posted the comments I have heard they did, then they were indeed vile, spiteful, vengeful venom- completely misplaced and entirely inappropriate. However I wouldn't compare them with the sensationalist articles based on very little but gossip. Rather. I would compare them to the equally vile posts on some forums /newspaper comments /twitter etc making jokes about the likelihood of pistorius being raped in prison.

    Reeva's death was needless - we agree totally on that. It's s pity you see me as an apologist but I don't know that I can change that view. I certainly am not attempting to justify his actions - they were unjustified hence the sentence. But I am definitely interested in testing and scrutinising the state's case and seeing if there are other viable alternative explanations (not excuses)

    I'm really sorry but I didn't see CNN coverage.
     
  3. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    bbm

    I (you meant me) simply make up my mind on the basis of newspaper articles, TV, books, the trial (!!) and other people's opinion.
    I have not studied Jurisprudence (nor English :D ), which is clear anyway.

    PS: I'm not a Reeva "supporter" - I expect truth and justice.
     
  4. soozieqtips

    soozieqtips Owned by a cat...

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    I totally agree. The way it's being brushed off as unimportant or unrelated to the crime defies belief. Why remove evidence unless it was incriminating? There is just no innocent explanation for that, none.
     
  5. cottonweaver

    cottonweaver Well-Known Member

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    I can't understand this just because you have said many times that Justice was done in this case so there is no injustice served.
    And you have said that the State failed to prove theirs many times too. So why are you still interested in scrutinising the "failed" State's case?

    Secondly, a separate point for me is why haven't you (plural, not just you ) shown any interest in scrutinising the issues with the Defence's case?
    Most of the people who post here seem to be pretty sceptical by nature, not just about OP's version etc.
     
  6. soozieqtips

    soozieqtips Owned by a cat...

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    BIB - that's a very good point. If people claim to be interested in justice, you'd think the massive holes in the defence would spark a little interest too, but no. How about Roger Dixon misleading the court when he used a shorter model to demonstrate what could be seen through the bathroom window by the Stipps? I know supporters will come up with some kind of excuse, but I think it was a deliberate attempt to discredit the Stipps. Dixon was supposed to be an expert for goodness sake, and he used a model 4 inches shorter!


    Nel: You're giving the court an indication of how much the accused would have been visible on his stumps... then you give us a photograph that does not reflect that..... why would you hand in that photograph.... or... even take that photograph

    Dixon: I'm not trying to mislead the court Milady

    Nel: That's what I'm testing... that's what I'm testing. You mentioned the word, Mr Dixon (pause). What I don't understand... if that's what you wanted to point out... why would you not ensure... that the person on his knees... stands on something, er, is lifted... to scale, because you're an expert. Why wouldn't you make sure that his height... is exactly... the height of Mr Pistorius on his stumps. Why would you not do that?

    Dixon - Milady... it is something I omitted. I overlooked it at the time.
     
  7. Marfa Lights

    Marfa Lights New Member

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    I guess no one will ever know, but I would suspect there might be messages from or about other women that would make Oscar look like a duplicitous snake, maybe other text messages that would have legal ramifications for the "****** thing" that happened to Oscar that day, or maybe Carl just wanted to make sure he covered his own ass and erased any incriminating messages about his own legal problems.

    Whatever was on that phone, Carl and probably Oscar, wanted it wiped clean!
     
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