Oscar Pistorius - Sentencing - 7.6.2016

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  1. aftermath

    aftermath New Member

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    I was responding to this :

    THE FACTS? What about the neighbours hearing Reeva screaming in fear of her life, blood curdling screams , like a home invasion was taking place.

    Since Reeva wasn't identified by the neighbours as the source of the screams, it's not a fact that they heard Reeva screaming in fear of her life. That's all I was pointing out
     
  2. Hazy

    Hazy New Member

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    This is a fresh sentence with time already served accounted for.

    His quest wasn't there that night but there are tales of his mysterious housekeeper , Frank. Who was apparently outside OP's house after the event when friends, ambulances etc were arriving
     
  3. PrimeSuspect

    PrimeSuspect Under the Milky Way

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    Yep, it's KM.

    Aimee believes OP and Reeva had a loving relationship, and no one can prove otherwise.:facepalm:
     
  4. Viper

    Viper New Member

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    No, the year he did was factored in to mitigation against the 15 year MMS; Masipa did not give him credit for time served. He has three years to go, minus a few days.
     
  5. Hazy

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    Well said!
     
  6. Hazy

    Hazy New Member

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    .

    I believe she also said she knew the truth despite not being there!

    Or

    Maybe there's another version we don't know about ...
     
  7. soozieqtips

    soozieqtips Owned by a cat...

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    It's odd that Frank wasn't woken up by all the screaming, gun shots and cricket bats - but was somehow dressed and waiting outside as people started arriving. What woke him up? I guess that's something we'll never know, just like we won't know what it was CP deleted from the murderer's phone, or what was in Reeva's handbag that AP helped herself to. It's as if the murderer was protected right from the very beginning, starting with Frank.
     
  8. DexterMorgan

    DexterMorgan Well-Known Member

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    Link please.

    Because just because she factored the year in for her decision. That doesn't mean that the year doesn't count as credit towards the sentence.

    So please don't let Masipa's mumble jumble distort the fact of the law of time served. Jmo.

    Because when she gave his butt 5 years.

    No one knew that she knew that he would be up for a parole hearing in only 10 months. Jmo.

    So unless a link is provided to where Massipa says that his year in jail doesn't count towards the new sentence. Then I'm not trusting anything.

    Especially since Massipa loves to play word games to the public. But then she documents her own recommendations to the parole board in private. Jmo
     
  9. Viper

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    Whatever. Jub Jub killed four kids and maimed more, he gets ten years (or eight, not sure). OP kills his girlfriend, he gets six years plus one year served. I was just commenting on the screwed up LIBERAL SA judicial system, when you compare the body count. I don't believe either man was sentenced appropriately. Life is cheap it seems in SA (unless you are a rhino).
     
  10. Viper

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    Barry Bateman on twitter. Check that and there are others. <modsnip> if she had wanted time served to apply she would have said so.
     
  11. LemonMousse

    LemonMousse Former Member

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    Your question is really no less nonsensical, to be honest. Clearly, that poster was using "Reeva" in place of "the woman about to be shot". It's nice to name the actual victim of this crime from time to time rather than the fake "pity me, pity me" one.

    And really, all you're doing is disputing "Reeva" rather than "female" - and that is highly pedantic.
     
  12. DexterMorgan

    DexterMorgan Well-Known Member

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    Please stop kidding us. Lol.

    Massipa doesn't put the fine print on twitter. Lol.

    She would have simply said that she is giving him 6 years with the eligibility of parole in 3 years. But its not counting the year already served.


    So did Masipa tell him this at court? That he won't be eligible until after serving 3 years and that 1st year doesn't count?

    Did she actually say this that day?

    Did she?

    When did she tell Oscar that his year in jail meant nothing towards the new sentence.

     
  13. soozieqtips

    soozieqtips Owned by a cat...

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  14. Viper

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    <modsnip>



    Barry Bateman
    @barrybateman
    Jul 6
    @SmollyTetelo had she not, she would have said in judgment "6yrs minus the one already served".
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    Barry Bateman
    @barrybateman
    Jul 6
    @SmollyTetelo as I understand the judgment, Masipa considered year in prison and house arresting when reaching 6yr term,
    View conversation ·
     
  15. LemonMousse

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    Has anyone ever noticed that not a single Pistorian has ever, ever even attempted to address the "two voices" conundrum?

    They're all "Oh well, Mrs VDM thought Oscar sounded girlie so it's possible that everyone else did too" - leaving aside that Mrs VDM never heard anyone screaming anyway.

    But that Dr Stipp, Mrs Stipp, Mrs Burger AND Mr Johnson all very clearly heard two voices at the same time....that of a male and a female.

    Not a whisper about that.

    Simply no explanation for that, is there?

    Oh wait....yes there is......Oscar yelled at Reeva who screamed and then got shot.
     
  16. PrimeSuspect

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    I agree, life is cheap.
    There are serious flaws in SA, beginning with their police procedures and judiciary system. It is only now coming under scrutiny from the outside.
     
  17. Sherbert

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    I agree - the finding of remorse is problematical, both legally and factually.

    Not only did the Steenkamps feel that Pistorius's apology was insincere, but, also, IMO remorse is not a compelling circumstance, as it would hardly be exceptional for a person who murdered his girlfriend in the mistaken belief that she was an intruder to feel remorse. Also, Masipa will have known from caselaw that an apology has to be verbalised in court in order for it to count as remorse which would lend support to the Steenkamps' view that it wasn't genuine.

    From S V Matyityi (2010): 'There is moreover, a chasm between regret and remorse. Many accused persons might well regret their conduct but that does not without more translate to genuine remorse. Remorse is a gnawing pain of conscience for the plight of another. Thus genuine contrition can only come from an appreciation and acknowledgement of the extent of one&#8217;s error. Whether the offender is sincerely remorseful and not simply feeling sorry for himself or herself at having been caught is a factual question. It is to the surrounding actions of the accused rather than what he says in court that one should rather look. In order for the remorse to be a valid consideration, the penitence must be sincere and the accused must take the court fully into his or her confidence. Until and unless that happens the genuineness of the contrition alleged to exist cannot be determined. After all, before a court can find that an accused person is genuinely remorseful, it needs to have a proper appreciation of inter alia: what motivated the accused to commit the deed; what has since provoked his or her change of heart; and whether he or she does indeed have a true appreciation of the consequences of those actions...'
     
  18. DexterMorgan

    DexterMorgan Well-Known Member

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    Lol. You are still kidding us with the twitter thing. Lol.

    So here we go.

    Oscars first sentence was vacated due to the new charge that he had to be sentenced for.

    This means that the 5 year sentence no longer counts.

    But it doesn't mean that part of the sentenced served doesn't count. Jmo.

    So please remember that since the old sentence of 5 years doesn't count. The state still needs to recognize the time already served which was 1 year.

    Also remember. You can't resentence someone on the same case without giving them credit for time served on that case. Jmo.


    So bottom line. Oscar will be eligible for parole in 2 years.

    And if Massipa didn't want that year served to count. Then she would have given him 8 years with eligibility in 4 years. Since he already did a year.

    Which would then mean that a true 3 years have to be served. Jmo
     
  19. Viper

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    I will go with Mr. Bateman. Thanks anyway!
     
  20. DexterMorgan

    DexterMorgan Well-Known Member

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    I love you Viper.

    Happy Sunday.

    We agree to disagree. It doesn't matter.

    I'm just glad to always count on your tenacity with a case.

    Much love my friend.
     
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