PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #6

[reedus23]

I can only guess at the reason they didn't name the third officer.
Actually, I have two guesses.

1. Because of the unfortunate event, and because the police officer did not make contact, publishing his name would probably have led to a lynch mob ready to string him up, deservedly or undeservedly.

2. At the time, the police officer could have been a potential suspect. And because of that, and because they may not have wanted to tip their hand, they opted to not release it.

I can think of a third. LE doesn't see any advantage gained by releasing it and doesn't think doing so would aid in any investigation.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

So I looked for a charge against K for the party but could not find it. I really thought that I had seen that before but I must have been mistaken.

 

[alliemay]

I also thought there was a pending charge.

 

[Richrd]

Two Useful PA Government Websites for Who's Been Accused Of What:

All Cases Begin In Magisterial District Court:

1) http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/mdj.aspx

1A) Search Type: Select Participant Name

To Simultaneously Check Most PA Counties:

1B) Select Date Filed: 01/01/1970 thru Today's Date

Some Cases Are Advanced To County Common Pleas Courts:

2) http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CP.aspx

Repeat Steps 1A), and 1B).

Grades and Abbreviations of PA Crimes:

F1 = Felony of 1st Degree; F2; F3

M1 = Misdemeanor of 1st Degree; M2; M3

S = Summary

May You Find This Useful.

 

[Meems]

So I looked for a charge against K for the party but could not find it. I really thought that I had seen that before but I must have been mistaken.

She ABSOLUTELY DID have a pending charge .. it was at the same time two underagers were named and charged. Where did it go? If it was still on the UJS it would just say withdrawn .. I can't remember where I read it .. but it was definately stated!! It was an early theory that because of said pending charge, she may have taken off on her own to avoid jail time.

 

[aszhsh]

I will read old threads...but I as I recall there we no charges. Only a comment that LE or DA looking into, investigating possible future charge.

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[SnoopJohnB]

Trackergd,

I am only stating a fact. I know Amanda personally and I know for a fact that she does not know anymore than anyone else. She personally shared various theories with me and discussed psychic contacts she has and what they were telling her. I can assure everyone, that if I would have believed she had legitimate info, I personally would have taken her to the police and supported her. That is NOT the case!! I find it disturbing that "just for a story" PennLive would allow someone with her state of mind to put themselves out there like she did. Yes, she spouts off her theories on FaceBook but, the PennLive story really caused attention to focus on her. And irregardless of anything, she has children and now her safety and her family's safety is in question and they could be in danger, expecially if the perp thinks she knows something. I am sure the search was done because of the people in the public, that don't know her and were grasping at the hope that she may know something. This has given false hope to Kortne's family, it just isn't right.

Additionally, I am not saying that LE did everything right and I agree that when the Palmyra police went there that night, everything that should have been done was not done! Unfortunately, based on previous calls to the house because of the partying and other complaints, they probably made an assumption that the people inside were hiding from them. Unless they had reason to beleive someone inside was in immediate danger, the can't just break the door down! The next day, when they realized she was missing, I can only imagine that those involed were saying alot of shoulda, coulda, woulda's but knowbody knew that that night!

I can't imagine what her family is going through and they are often in my thoughts and prayers!

Thanks for this info Jmomma. I don't think she is in danger in the KS case, because most likely, she is implicating people that didn't have anything to do with it. To me, it's more likely the culprit or culprits are loving her right now.

However, in that other recent case of snitching, if she continues to implicate innocent people in incidents, she opens herself up to retaliation, law suits and God knows what. But I think her being threatened continually are just more lies.

 

[eagle5516]

She ABSOLUTELY DID have a pending charge .. it was at the same time two underagers were named and charged. Where did it go? If it was still on the UJS it would just say withdrawn .. I can't remember where I read it .. but it was definately stated!! It was an early theory that because of said pending charge, she may have taken off on her own to avoid jail time.

I can add myself to the list of people confirming that there was a pending charge for KS's providing-alcohol-to-minors. I found it on the Magisterial District Court Docket a few months after KS disappeared. I don't recall if it was ever added to the Court of Common Plea Dockets. I used to check it now and then to see if there was any updated info that might be interesting. Since the info no longer appears, it likely means they just dismissed the case due to her disappearance.

While I think that you can always take issue with LE's reactions in missing persons cases, I have never had a huge problem with the way LE handled KS's disappearance. I think there is a lot of information they have not disclosed and I believe they have followed up credible tips to a reasonable extent. Of course, I would have preferred that the search have involved divers, but at least they did devote some time to looking into it. It isn't clear to me whether they looked at all of the areas along the shore, but if they did with the dog and the camera, that seems to be a decent effort, although it's always possible they missed something. As others have said, perhaps LE did not disclose the name of the third officer because he did not actually knock on the door - but that is just speculation.

The suggestion that the people responsible messed up the name of the lake because they were drunk does not make a lot of sense to me. If they were so drunk that they didn't know what lake they were driving to, how did they manage to leave no forensic evidence in the apartment and cars and how have they avoided being found out for this long? Having just started watching Twin Peaks again, I wonder if Amanda is largely influenced by fiction when she describes a "scary man" calling her and goes on about psychic input. I'm not saying that she didn't record a threatening person who gave info on the case, the FB-posted letter sort of proves that she did, I just wonder how much of this is based on reality.

I will say this for Amanda, it isn't that far-fetched to me that others involved would have track connections. It is my understanding that KS met CP and MR (who both have direct track involvement) through a jockey who was friendly with lots of people. I don't think that the federal investigations have much to do with this case, but it does appear that the track is sort of a social hub that connects a lot of the players in this case. It wouldn't be that surprising that someone with direct knowledge of where KS's body is would also be involved in the track. Nothing against the track, I used to bet there myself before Penn-National got really big, added a casino, and became a public company.

I like that people are going back to the beginning and looking at MR's statements about "others" in the car and looking at the timeline of people being picked up and dropped off. I've always thought that the others in the car (and/or the people KS fought with in the Hardware Bar) are key players in this case. Interesting that MR pointedly mentions others being in the car, CP doesn't mention them at all, and LE and SS seem to have consciously avoided identifying them. Plus, not that silence on the drug involvement means that it's right, but SS certainly has never come out and said that his daughter didn't sell drugs. In my humble opinion, the drug debt theory is still a viable theory, could be directly connected to the "others" in the car, and could end with KS being submerged in a body of water.

 

[aszhsh]

Just to clarify, as I recall KS was charged previously with supplying minors with alcohol (before the night she disappeared). I don't recall if that case was closed at the time of her disappearance or still pending. Maybe that is the case some are thinking of. KS not being charged always bothered me so I am sure she was not initially charged, however they may have filed charges later and I missed it. I'm going back now to research old threads and news articles.

 

[aszhsh]

http://www.ldnews.com/ci_21427918/police-release-new-info-missing-woman-case

This article may be helpful. However, it does not mean that charges were not filed after this. But it does look like the previous charges had already been pleaded down so if you are sure you saw pending charges it would have to be from that evening.

One thing that I saw was that they clearly did not say the call came from the neighbor. I still think someone who knew the situation with BH called it in not a neighbor. The probation officer showed up I guess with the police. I would think a neighbor would just call the police due to noise not to have BH picked up. It does state that blood test were done on the underage kids.

 

[Meems]

Just to clarify, as I recall KS was charged previously with supplying minors with alcohol (before the night she disappeared). I don't recall if that case was closed at the time of her disappearance or still pending. Maybe that is the case some are thinking of. KS not being charged always bothered me so I am sure she was not initially charged, however they may have filed charges later and I missed it. I'm going back now to research old threads and news articles.

She had a hearing about a week prior to the incident at the time of her disappearance on the FIRST charge of supplying minors charge. The was additional pending charges (at one time) for the weekend she went missing per the UJS .. they are no longer there.

 

[adot0902]

Missing charges

I can help with this. There is a time process for everything, like you have to be charged a certain amount of days after the crime
Occurs. Also you have to go before a judge within a certain number of days of being charged. She was missing hence no ability to
Go forward In the judicial process, therefore the case gets thrown out.

I'm sure someone more legal can explain it appropriately but that's what one business law class got me.

I don't know if she was even charged I never heard one way or the other.

 

[Trackergd]

I guess the differences in how some of you and I look at the case is that I look from the view of a SAR resource who's mission it is to find the victim or their remains using any and all tips, leads and technology to execute that mission.

Many of you are looking at it from the strictly investigative point of view.

We are not disagreeing, we are approaching the issue from different directions using different though processes.

Just wanted to make sure I was not stepping on toes or bruising feelings of those close to the case.

:seeya:

 

[Jmomma12]

Thanks for this info Jmomma. I don't think she is in danger in the KS case, because most likely, she is implicating people that didn't have anything to do with it. To me, it's more likely the culprit or culprits are loving her right now.

However, in that other recent case of snitching, if she continues to implicate innocent people in incidents, she opens herself up to retaliation, law suits and God knows what. But I think her being threatened continually are just more lies.

What recent case of snitching?

 

[SnoopJohnB]

What recent case of snitching?

The police released a composite sketch of a guy that committed a crime and she named someone as the perp. It wasn't him and she got into a big spat with him and his friends.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

This is a PennLive article about another guy who is going to search Memorial Lake:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/04/expert_pledges_to_search_for_k.html

 

[Eileen730]

Skeet, I'm not sure if you are directing that question to me specifically. But if you are, I do not know why they did not release the name of the officer that responded the third time.

Maybe because it's the same officer from the first and second time!

 

[Trackergd]

This is a PennLive article about another guy who is going to search Memorial Lake:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/04/expert_pledges_to_search_for_k.html

It would be interesting to see what he finds. The Confederate Submarine Hunley was thought to be a sunken navigation Buoy on side scan sonar before one of the NUMA divers went down for a look.

 

[Trackergd]

:bump:

Anything on the diver?

I found myself googling small ROV's (mini camera submarines) this weekend. Wondering if I could fund a $20,000.00 ROV for SAR work.

 

[alliemay]

And now....we return to silence, again.