Penn State's athletic director plus ex-Paterno assistant charged in child sex case

Discussion in 'Jerry Sandusky General Discussion threads' started by wfgodot, Nov 5, 2011.

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  1. BrownRice

    BrownRice Well-Known Member

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    Even though I'm sure McQ and the janitor were shocked and scared of what they saw, how could they have NOT reacted physically to what they saw? I have a next door neighbor and a neighbor across the street who are 10 year old boys. 10 is pretty small physically. They are not pre-teens or young adults. They are SMALL children.

    Put that very small body in a shower with a GROWN man (regardless if he is considered short, average, tall), and how could anybody just walk out? I am truly just speechless. I don't think it takes a hero to act here - it takes a normal person with a minimal moral compass.
     


  2. BrownRice

    BrownRice Well-Known Member

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    Obviously my opinion only, but I can't imagine McQ would be a victim of Sandusky. Why would Sandusky even attempt this with a kid from an intact family with a strong father figure? He had a plethora of disadvantaged victims from foster homes and single mother homes - perfect prey. McQ would have been too much of a risk.
     
  3. belimom

    belimom Speak the truth even if your voice shakes~M.Kuhn

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    bbm

    A great article. I highly recommend other read it. This is getting worse and is going to be more far-reaching than it is at the moment. MOO
     
  4. davehead21

    davehead21 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to Websleuths, Ruby Sue!! :)

    I have wondered this exact same thing.
     
  5. Emeralgem

    Emeralgem New Member

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    BBM..IIRC..I heard court date is set for December 7th..JMO

    ETA..In reference to the phrase "loving on these boys"... With all due respect, raping and sodomizing children is not what I would refer to as "loving" in any way shape or form.. His actions toward his victims are all about control, and satisfying his perverted desires....JMHO
     
  6. scapa

    scapa Well-Known Member

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    I must be cynical too -- I agree that it's worth following up on.

    On a side note, I can see no difference in the arguments made by coaches in defence of their incredibly high salaries and the boards and CEOs of large companies in defence of theirs. What free market decides these huge payouts? Isn't it a captive market, made of coaches and other coaches?

    As a professor at a major research school I continue to be shocked at how much we spend on our athletics, often at the expense of our academics. Entitlement on this scale can often lead to abuses of power, IME. Can you recall the last time a math department recruiting class engaged in campus gunplay?

    s
     
  7. Steely Dan

    Steely Dan Former Member

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    I'm leaning that way. However, IIRC, the police found information on his home computer about destroying hard drives and such. That makes me think suicide or just going off the grid.

    I think she was trying to be polite in describing it as "loving these boys".
     
  8. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

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  9. mycroft

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    Even if you can't quote or link the message, could you outline the reasoning that there is no other way that the GJ could have known?

    I'm not being argumentative here, but I just don't see it. It would be really easy for the GJ to find out.

    For starters, the 2002 victim saw McQueary, according to his own testimony. Even if the kid didn't know him (and McQueary did not know, and does not know at this date the identity of that victim), the victim probably has a pretty good idea who McQueary is given his distinctive appearance and the timing of the shower incident. How many <modsnip> were with the program and would have been in the facility at that hour? If the victim follows PSU football, there's a good chance that he knows or believes that McQ was the witness.

    And that's not even getting into the possibility that there were other witnesses of the incident, and people who heard rumors of McQ's story, and told the investigators.

    All kind of paths could have directed to the GJ to him. He didn't know what cards were held.

    That's part of what's so amazing to me about the handling of this situation. Everyone who had any degree of knowledge had to know that this was a ticking time bomb. Even if they controlled the known witnesses, they had no control over the victims. They didn't even know who the 2002 victim was.

    What's very disturbing is that they still haven't figured out who the 2002 victim is. It makes me wonder whether he was a foster child or some other child over whom Sandusky still has control.

    Things have hit the fan for a deep pocket. The victim should now be an adult. If this kid was disadvantaged to begin with, and now has an eyewitness, where is he?

    I hope he comes forward soon. If not, is he dead? Or is he so close to Sandusky that he's not ever going to disclose?
     
  10. SyraKelly

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    I hope we see a sea of blue at that game today!!!
     
  11. mycroft

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    Thanks doubt.

    I outlined my reasoning above, as to why there were certainly other avenues for the GJ to get to McQueary.

    Now that I've read the post itself, I don't really disagree except as to the claim that there was no other way for the GJ to know about McQueary. He may indeed have come forward to the GJ voluntarily, but I doubt it.

    The bottom line, on which I think both I and that poster would agree, is that once a proceeding was underway and he was confronted by LE, it made no sense for McQueary to do anything other than to tell what he had seen.

    Others may call that "doing the right thing" but after all these years, I think it was more an act of calculated self-preservation. There were too many unknown variables.

    I don't think that he anticipated that others in the PSU chain would testify that he had not told them about the sex act.

    I would also like to know whether anyone has been granted immunity in exchange for their testimony. I haven't heard that question asked or answered in any of the reporting.
     
  12. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    much more at link below:

    Penn State should have aimed higher (Greg Couch, FoxSports)
     
  13. raeann

    raeann Well-Known Member

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    Well, I am doubting that the Nebraska fans purchased those shirts....especially since the shirts IMPLY that by "blue out Nebraska" that will end child sexual abuse....kind of an intent to pass the shame off on the other school there!


    At the very least perhaps the Nebraska fans were able to create their own RED shirts with a similar purpose. It would be a bit of a stretch to ask them to wear the other teams school colors. A truly HONEST effort by Penn State would have been to choose a neutral color shirt and leave off ANY reference to the football game opponent at all.

    jmo
     
  14. SyraKelly

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    I was looking at it from a point of view- that colors would not matter today
    I was looking at it as a moral statement to all child abuse victims that we stand with you and deplore what happened here as a country in whole.I guess thats what I am trying to say!No offense to anyone
     
  15. Quiche

    Quiche Well-Known Member

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    Shoot, something as seemingly innocent as this: Mommy, why does Grandpa always have to put his hand on my knee?

    :furious:
     
  16. ScorpRising

    ScorpRising To thine ownself be true

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    Someone above asked is it "normal" for someone facing so many counts to be out on bail... No, especially an alleged predator living within close proximity to an elementary school. When you're all looking at this remember, this is bigger than football, bigger than Paterno's perceived power, bigger than PSU. There's a whole lot more going to come out in these investigations... All of State College, all of Centre County, including but not limited to, the police, the DA, C&Y and their predecessor, was blinded by the money made off of PSU.

    Having said that, looking at all currently available facts, Paterno still has my support. I am not a football fan or an alumni but I am a rational person looking at only the facts available.
     
  17. TobyWong*

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    IMO if the shower boy told anyone about the shower incident, that would've been included in the indicment. He is still an unknown.

    IMO McQueary could've taken an eaiser way out and gave the watered down version instead of graphic point by point eye and ear witness testimony. He could've said he just was'nt sure what he saw but he is the only witness that is swearing to seeing anal penetration. McQueary will have to go to court and defend his words and be subjected to the defense. I pray the boy from this incident becomes known to to LE so he can help put sandusky away. I pray he has been able to live thru this life.

    But I do believe McQueary could've/should've done something to stop the attack.
     
  18. TobyWong*

    TobyWong* Well-Known Member

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    respectfully snipped
    Thanx for the date and ^ what Steely said. I did not mean it like real love at all, but see how I should've worded it differently.
     
  19. alwaysonmymind

    alwaysonmymind Well-Known Member

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    Penn State vs. Nebraska on ESPN

    They had a moment of silence for the victims.
     
  20. raeann

    raeann Well-Known Member

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    Oh...I agree that is what it SHOULD be....but if Penn State TRULY wanted it to be that.....then a simple grey or beige shirt with NO REFERENCE to a football victory would have been far preferable and genuine.

    jmo
     
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